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A message from a learned [Muslim] scholar to the U.S. President
Islam Questions & Answers [Muslim Dear Abby] ^ | October 2001 | Shaykh Safar ibn ĎAbd al-Rahmaan al-Hawali

Posted on 10/26/2001 9:35:28 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough

[to President Bush]

You may ask, why all of them, when there are some among them who love us? I say, rest assured, there is no Muslim on earth who loves you, even if he donates blood to you or lets you set up intelligence stations or lets you design curricula for his people. Everyone on earth who claims to love you – and none of the Muslims can make such a claim – only loves you in the sense that the frightened prey loves the predatory beast.

You may say that you are going to give assurances to the Muslim peoples by changing their governments into tolerant and democratic systems.

We say, keep your evil away from us and that is enough. Based on these false promises you have destroyed the Iraqi people and others. We do not want any freedom or democracy from you and we will not accept it, for the enemy of freedom cannot bestow freedom.

Mr. President,

I advise you to fear God and refrain from committing aggression. Deal with this matter justly and with deliberation, and you will find us with you, with no reservation. If you change now, at the beginning of the road, that will be easier for you and better for the world at large, otherwise an easy beginning is usually followed by a difficult end. So I hope that you will think, Mr. President, for if you destroy every country you have included in your terror list, will this be the end, or will it be the beginning, unless you want to go down in history as the instigator of bloody Armageddon? In which case there will be no history at all.

Hence I offer you this advice and I say: Fear God, and think long and hard. Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.


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This is only an EXCERPT from the end of the open letter. To read the whole thing (if you have a large barf bag and a lot of patience) click on the link above. The letter is basically an essay to try to "prove" that the US is wrong, is headed for world disaster. The point is that this letter is posted for all Muslims who question their role in the war against terrorism.

What the prominence of the letter is on the site implies to me is that President Bush has taken on godly proportions to a group of fanantic Muslims, and that can only be good.

1 posted on 10/26/2001 9:35:28 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Another cult member speaks........
2 posted on 10/26/2001 9:38:40 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: LurkedLongEnough

You mean he doesn't actually love us?

3 posted on 10/26/2001 9:39:24 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: LurkedLongEnough
From the USAF: 'Dear Mr. Bin Laden'
4 posted on 10/26/2001 9:42:15 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: Inyokern
What a comfort it would be to know that Arafat's blood coursed through your veins...
5 posted on 10/26/2001 9:43:13 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: LurkedLongEnough
only loves you in the sense that the frightened prey loves the predatory beast.

Machiavelli always said it's better to be feared than loved, so good!

Based on these false promises you have destroyed the Iraqi people and others.

That's funny, according to Saddam Hussain, the "Great Nation of Iraq" was able to claim victory in the "Mother of All Wars". I'm surprised you aren't aping that...

for the enemy of freedom cannot bestow freedom.

When you learn to treat your women like people instead of cattle, decide that ethnic cleansing maybe isn't a sane policy to follow, and stop brainwashing your children, THEN maybe you can bitch at us about our being "The enemy of freedom."

So I hope that you will think, Mr. President, for if you destroy every country you have included in your terror list, will this be the end, or will it be the beginning, unless you want to go down in history as the instigator of bloody Armageddon? In which case there will be no history at all.

Look, it's very simple: Stop trying to blow up our buildings, kill out people, launch bio and chemical attacks, and generally try to take over the world with your twisted beliefs. What's so hard to comprehend? Trust us, if this is a game of chicken, you WILL lose. The cost may be horrendous, but we will triumph in the end.

Also, please cut Israel some slack. We might actually treat you like mature, responsible civilizations when you act it.
6 posted on 10/26/2001 9:45:03 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: d14truth
If you wish to provide Dear Abdul a bit of feedback . . .

Feedback

7 posted on 10/26/2001 9:45:21 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: LurkedLongEnough
"We do not want any freedom..from you"

Not to worry. You will never be free from me.

8 posted on 10/26/2001 9:48:52 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: LurkedLongEnough
There's so much that's quotable in this "scholar"'s message, it's hard to choose, but I have to say this is my favorite:

"Against this background of ongoing confusion and frustration, the events of September 11 took place. I will not conceal from you the huge wave of joy, accompanied by disbelief, that was felt by everyone in the Islamic world, and anyone who tells you otherwise is not telling the truth."

There you have it -- Islam, the religion of peace.

9 posted on 10/26/2001 10:11:41 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Dear: Shaykh Safar ibn Abd al Rahaar Al Hawali

Please look around, we are not the ones hiding in caves! Look at our history of past conflicts. Look at the history of those that have attacked us in the past, Great Britian in the Revolutionary War, Germany, Japan, Italy in World War II. They and many others have become our long standing allies.They will help us defeat you.

You will reap the rath of the most powerful, most benevolent country this world has ever know. No matter how great the eventual conflict,

WE HAVE THE RESOLVE, WE WILL PREVAIL. FREEDOM WILL ENDURE.

When it's over it will be your children we will educate, win over, and eventually, together, create a safer world.

The only question is will you be around to see the outcome!

10 posted on 10/26/2001 10:14:58 AM PDT by parting shot
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To: LurkedLongEnough
MUSLIM = MUSLIM
11 posted on 10/26/2001 10:28:55 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Numbers Guy
I inquired as to whether or not the 'messengers' of ALLAH will avenge these 'innocents' at the WTC--


12 posted on 10/26/2001 10:59:14 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: LurkedLongEnough
Just submitted the following feedback:

Shaykh Safar ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Hawali,

I just read your self-serving and misguided diatribe regarding the evils of America.

I will not even dignify the majority of the absolute ignorance on display thoughout your writing with any commentary, but I would like to ask you one thing. You want Mr. Bush to stop a war that he did not start? How is that possible?

On one hand we hear Muslim clerics and spokemen in this country say, "Islam is a peaceful religion" and "we denounce this act of terrorism". Out of the other side of the very same mouths we get outburts void of reason such as your writing to Mr. Bush.

There is a lot of murky water, cloudy skies, blurred vision--plenty of things unknown or unsure at this moment in time regarding this conflict. One thing is certain however, a group of Muslims have officially declared war on America. These people have ordered and encouraged the killing of innocent civilians merely on their ethnicity and/or religion--a hate crime under any definition. Whether these are merely the views of a radical few or actually represent the majority of Muslims cannot be determined at this time.

You should know, that in this Holy War that has been declared on us, we will defend ourselves and we will not tire and we will prevail. For your sake, I hope you reconsider which side you're on.

God Bless America.

13 posted on 10/26/2001 11:12:43 AM PDT by ElephantMan
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To: d14truth
I think you have to try to understand. What is the definition of "innocents" to Muslims? To Muslims "innocents" are those who believe in Allah. All others are "guilty" so all Americans, including those who perished in the WTC and Pentagon, were not considered "innocent." We all have to come to this realization.
14 posted on 10/26/2001 11:17:32 AM PDT by PatriotGames
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To: LurkedLongEnough
here was my reply... Dai ************************************

To: Shaykh Safar ibn 'abd Al-Rahmaan al-Hawali (current Mullah architect and spokesman)
Reference:
"A message from a learned scholar to the U.S. President"
Website: http://65.193.50.117/words/message/message_to_usa.html

Sir:

I am not a learned scholar. However, I am at least, observant. In my lifetime, via the auspices of the United States Citizens, the US in many forms has been charitable in the billons of dollars to various Islamic nations. We have defended them on the ground and from the air. We have provided aid, without regard to your "peaceable" religion, your mulah. Your beliefs. Your alliances. Your willingness to use the tenants of a world which honored killers, murderers, jihad, and a host of other unacceptable principles. My response has nothing to do with the color of your skin.

I am afraid that you have explained why it may have something to do with religion Your complete letter is replete with this.

My own is the irrepressive faith in the Constitutional Republic. In the goodness of the American people. And no, I do not believe that Allah is the one God. You have explained to me why this is so.

So, stick with me: You confirm the Mullah.

I am confirming the United States of America.

Compare the acheivements of your world to ours. Compare the goodness of your peoples to ours. There is really no comparison, is there? Yet each time we have aided an Islamic state our reward has been a knife in the back by your nations and people of your religion.

September 11th is our reward as well. We greatly appreciate the kindness of Allah, peace be with him.

From the bowels of the Islamic Trans-national quasi-state is a trans-national terrorist state; I for the life of me cannot separate Islam with either. We have been attacked by religious zealots who are terrorists, killers, thieves and deceivers.

Peace be with them for they arise in the name of Allah.

They attacked a peaceful western society, attacking not the military but common everyday citizens. This is an infamous act of agression. It is a war crime. It was funded by Islamics across the globe. From within our borders. On our ground.

Peace be with them. They take up the covenant of God with the Muslim world and carry out such missions in the name of God, Allah, and at the bequest of Mohammed.

Such a learned scholar as yourself might take note that the Roman empire conquered other nations and stayed there, ruling the country, taking it's abundance, enslaving the people.

This is not characteristic of the tenants of our society, our laws, our way of life.

Such is not the case with the US. Your attempt to correlate the US with the Roman Empire is facile at best, a cloak for a religious environment which is deceitful, hateful and totally exclusionary. It is a factthat there was cruelty in the history of Rome so that your observations about Rome are partially true. You must keep in mind that also, it was the Empire which split, adopted Christianity as a religion, and swept it Eastward to Constantinople when the seat of power was divided.

The tenants of a civilization are the key: the tenants of American's are embodied in our freedom as opposed to restrictions, religious or not. Those tenants are alive and well within the United States of America. We do not conquer and create new territories, establishing a colonial system of control of other peoples. Perhaps we should. Much of what has been happening in regard to terrorism stems from one religion--Noteably from Munich to September 11th(my years of political involvementspans this time frame.

The characteristic tenants of force are the tenants of Islam.

Peace be upon you. For all the days of your life.

That you address yourself as a nation, the ummah of justice is folly: There is not one Islamic state regarded as peaceful. Regarded as benevolent. Regarded as being a good neighbor. Regarded by the non-Islamic world as being worthy. Each Islamic state is restrictive to the extreme. Their diplomacy is the sword. As presribed by your prophet.

Name me one Islamic nation that does not have the Yoke placed upon the backs of its peoples; a foot on the chest, a knife at the throat of dissenters.

But they follow the prescription of Mohammed, Prophet of God.

Peace be with you.

I would call attention to the acts at Munich in 1972 again--dastardly murder by the invocation of the will of God and the religion of Mohammed....the complete earmark of your ummah which is so peaceable. His words and invocations are it's inspiring empatus to act. They did act. In the name of Allah. In the name of Mohammed, peace be with him.

How about this? Name me one century since Mohammed where religious encouragement of killing infidels was not the basic foundation of "any" action against any state which is not Islamic? You cannot.

Peace be with you.

It matters little though: You have verified for me the truth about Islam, the current trans-national movement of the so-called Islamic re-emergence, it's new renaissance--among you and from out of your midst arise the terrorists. Our leaders tell us this is not a war against Islam.

But I see little in the way of support and love toward the US from Islam. You said this yourself.

I see no marching in the streets in support of those who were tragically killed in the attack on the US. I speak with Islamics whom I work with. They speak quietly the truth that even among us are those who are Islamic, do not cherish our way of life, our institutions and work to change them from inside...all the while attending Mosques where your clerics in large numbers preach radical Islamic fundamentalism. These acquaintances claim they are not radical. They say that within there midst are those who are.

And from those are they that support, aid and abet the terrorists, or supply them with new fanatics.

President Bush says that this is not a war on Islam. But with your words you are making it so. You are convincing many normal Americans that this is in reality a war on Islam and Islamic states because we cannot separate you from your system of beliefs and that system of beliefs intends to kill Israeli's, drive them from their land, so that the sword of Islam again rules that part of the world, devoid of people like Americans and the British. The Jews. That system of beliefs wishes our death. It spurred the attacks on NY in 93 and 2001. and so on.

NO MORE PEACE:

I no longer want a peaceful resolution to the conflict with Al Qaida. With Hezbollah or any terrorist organization anywhere in the world. Nor any organization which supports them. Nor any organization that aids, abets and finances them. Nor With any nation in which they reside and operate. These terrorist groups will be destroyed, the nations which host them and fund them destroyed. From the Atlantic, to the Pacific Rim.

We now know we have a terrible price to pay, the deconstruction of radical islamic trans-national terrorism. The people involved are of known origin. They will reap a proper reward.

Take this missive back to your trans-national Ummah. Your mosques. Your radical Imam clerics. These acts will not stand. You have explained about the culmination of prophecy in this so-called Ummah.

I have seen it arise. I will see it fall. It is based upon a violent religion based upon honor and God but falsely so. There will be no Mulah of meaning, no renaissance. No peace.

Peace be with you until we can arrange it so.

The Mullah is then a dream, noting the faint passing of a religion based on the words of a false prophet. Explain this to your fellow "scholars". Explain this to your radical clerics. Send this message via the underground to the terrorists which have emitted from the bosom of Islam.

Tell them we are coming for the terrorists. Those who aid them. Radical Islamicism will not have peace for long on earth.

But first we must usher terrorist into the hands of Allah.

We are not dumb. We are putting it together. We got the message.

We understand it now.

Forgive me if we have a bit different view of how we should act, what the results of those acts should be.

We don't need your advise. We don't want it. WE DO NOT ANY LONGER WANT PEACE.

Send this message along. I am sure the terrorists and radicals in your midst will appreciate my point of reference. We are a bit radical as well.

Tell them we are coming...

And hell is coming with us.

David Bell

15 posted on 10/26/2001 11:23:55 AM PDT by daitex
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To: PatriotGames
"To Muslims "innocents" are those who believe in Allah. All others are "guilty" so all Americans, including those who perished in the WTC and Pentagon, were not considered "innocent." We all have to come to this realization."

I think that they might need to come to this realization---

DAYYO

16 posted on 10/26/2001 11:41:25 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: daitex; RonDog; ALOHA RONNIE
"Send this message along. I am sure the terrorists and radicals in your midst will appreciate my point of reference. We are a bit radical as well.

Tell them we are coming...

And hell is coming with us."

Very well said, David. Courteous and civil to boot.

17 posted on 10/26/2001 11:53:04 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I thought donated blood was screened for various diseases. If so, Arafat's diseased blood will never make it into the veins of any American.
18 posted on 10/26/2001 12:07:53 PM PDT by BenF
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To: daitex
I like your reply, here's mine:

Hey Abdul,

I could pick your pathetic letter apart piece by piece but it isn't worth my time. What's silly is your insistence upon putting "peace be upon him" after mentioning those who you seem to have respect for. But you have no respect for your brother, which is where your Self lies. The lack of respect I refer to is, of course, the events of 9/11 that you and yours perpetrated.

We fully understand your ignorance, but you cannot begin to comprehend our understanding. We realize that freedom is nothing so long as one has to hang their head (or cover it). We would rather die than learn to speak Arabic, or have our children learn to speak Arabic. If you want to go 8th century on us, then come on in. We have a lot of 8th century up our sleeves that hasn't been tested in awhile, but let me assure you that more of you shall die before more of us will.

Your Allah is just one symbol of your arrogance and ignorance. The way you choose to live your life is another. Your cities (if we can call them that) is but another. Your institutions of higher learning (if we can call them that) is another. The way you treat women is another. The fact that you fear God is another. He is not to be feared because he loves all. Fear and love do not intermingle.

Keep to yourselves and we might leave you alone, but as you probably do realize, the touch of freedom is one mighty strong touch. Resist if you wish, but not for long. You only want freedom to command fear. If that was the choice against that of no history, then I choose no history. It takes only one side to bring war, but two to keep peace. Bring on the nukes, baby, because we're all going somewhere else. Peace very clearly does not come from your reverence of or understanding of or belaborment of this one you call Allah.

Dan-O

19 posted on 10/26/2001 12:08:42 PM PDT by DC Packfan
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To: DC Packfan
Ol' Hawali's got a pretty bad case of verbal diarrhea, doesn't he?
20 posted on 10/26/2001 1:39:03 PM PDT by ikanakattara
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