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The "Nastiest" Democrat {Scumbag Alert!!!!}
National Review ^ | Jay Nordlinger

Posted on 10/26/2001 2:04:20 PM PDT by DoctorMichael

The ‘Nastiest’ Democrat:Sen. Patrick Leahy, Republican nightmare.

By Jay Nordlinger, NR’s managing editor

The other Vermont senator's no day at the beach. He is Patrick Leahy, and when James Jeffords pulled his big switch, Leahy landed a big job: chairman of the Judiciary Committee. It's a job Leahy has always wanted; and a Republican nightmare has begun.

By consensus — a consensus of Hill Republicans — Pat Leahy is the meanest, most partisan, most ruthless Democrat in the Senate. Ask a Republican about Leahy, and he'll shudder. Then he will say that, though Leahy can be nice and smiling on the surface, underneath he is-take your pick-"a left-wing brute," "the nastiest," "a pile of pure malice."

Republicans are not in complete agreement, however: One says, "He's the most obnoxious [SOB] in the Senate now that Howard Metzenbaum's gone"; another says, "Nah, he was always worse than Metzenbaum, it's just that the general public didn't know it." Republicans, to a man, swear that they would take Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, Joe Biden, John Kerry-any famously partisan Democrat over Leahy. They were very much hoping that Biden, for example, would resume his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee; he was chairman, recall, during the years that included the pummeling of Robert Bork and the pummeling of Clarence Thomas. Instead, however, Biden chose the Foreign Relations post, leaving Judiciary to Leahy.

And, following the ancient rule that a staff reflects the politician at its head, the consensus is that Leahy's staff is just as partisan, just as ruthless as the senator himself. Not even Democrats much trust or like that bunch. Says one veteran GOP staffer, "You can work with Kennedy's staff, you can work with Biden's-and chances are, they won't stab you in the back. Leahy's staff, however, plays to win, whatever it takes. And they'll roll over Democrats just as fast."

So, what about this "junkyard dog in a Vermont sweater" (to quote yet another staffer)? Several different Senate-watchers cite one recent episode. It's a relatively small thing, they say, but an instance in which the underside of Leahy was revealed. Sen. Strom Thurmond is almost 100 now, and when he appears at a committee meeting, he generally reads a short statement from a card, and shuffles off. You don't try to engage him in debate, or much else, anymore, and most everyone knows it, and accepts it.

At a meeting in April, Thurmond read his statement as usual — and Leahy jumped in to question him about it. Orrin Hatch, then Judiciary chairman, intervened, saying he would handle Leahy's questions himself, trying to spare Thurmond embarrassment. But Leahy kept it up. Witnesses were appalled, seeing no purpose in it except to humiliate the old man.

The public got a little taste of what a Leahy chairmanship would be like back in January, when he conducted the confirmation hearings of attorney-general nominee John Ashcroft. (Because Dick Cheney had not yet been sworn in as vice president, and the Senate was 50-50, presided over by Al Gore, Leahy had the gavel for a little over two weeks.) Leahy threw at Ashcroft everything he had, trying to sink the nomination. There were hostile witness panels, hostile allegations — the works. Says one person close to the Ashcroft team, "Our reaction was, Wow! I mean, holy Moses! The guy's trying to slay us!" In the end, Ashcroft squeaked through, but not before being tarred before the nation as a racist, reactionary nut.

Leahy was just warming up, perhaps, for the confirmation hearings of Ted Olson, to be solicitor general. Leahy did not have the gavel then , but he led a crude assault on the nominee's integrity. Olson had been a lawyer and board member for The American Spectator magazine, which for a time ran something called "the Arkansas Project," to pursue stories in Bill Clinton's home state. Olson testified that he had nothing to do with this "project" — but Leahy essentially accused him of lying, based on the tales of a couple of left-wing journalists with a high flake quotient. These tales had been thoroughly discredited, and were again.

Yet Leahy persisted, casting aspersions on Olson and demanding records and testimony from the Spectator (which galled First Amendment defenders in particular). Olson, like Ashcroft, in the end squeaked through — but it seems likely that Leahy as chairman could have stopped him. From now on, he will be chairman. According to Republican fears, the Leahy years (if years they be) will make the Biden years seem like a golden age of fair play and collegiality.

One Leahy foe puts the beef of many this way: The senator "always likes to have an ethical veneer for his purely partisan attacks. He can't just say [for example] that he despises Ted Olson's views, that he resents his representation of [George W.] Bush in Bush v. Gore, that he's sorry there has to be a conservative solicitor general at all. No, he has to say that Olson lacks integrity, that he lacks honesty, and that's what stinks about Patrick Leahy."

A Senator for Life

Leahy is only 61 years old, but he is one of the most senior members of the Senate: He was 34 when he was first elected, in 1974. He was, and remains, the only Democrat ever elected to the Senate from Vermont. But times, they clearly have a-changed. Once the home of rock-ribbed Republicanism, the state is now the home of gay marriage and a remarkably left-wing congressional lineup: Leahy and Jeffords are the two senators, and Bernie Sanders, a socialist — that is, an avowed socialist — is the (lone) House rep. Vermont seems to have passed Massachusetts as the American Sweden; must be something in the milk.

In his 25 years as a senator, Leahy has built a solidly left-liberal record. He has his share of fans. He likes photography and the Grateful Dead. He is said to be affable in hallways, and to be a wiz at constituent services. He styles himself "the cybersenator," because of his interest in computers and the Internet. He crusades against capital punishment, and against the use of land mines. He is a great champion of trial lawyers: For example, he led the fight (a successful one) to remove the liability cap on the tobacco industry; for the lawyers, the sky was the limit.

In all, Leahy is the perfect left-liberal senator, voting for higher taxes, opposing welfare reform, vilifying Ronald Reagan, denouncing Kenneth Starr as a Constitution-destroying zealot, decrying the Supreme Court that ruled after the Florida deadlock, and so on.

Throughout the '80s, Leahy was one of those Democrats most passionately opposed to Reagan in Central America-one of those who traveled to Nicaragua and tried to block the (U.S.) president at every turn. With Chris Dodd, he sponsored a bill to cut aid to El Salvador.

More recently, in 1999, he traveled to Cuba, where he dined with Fidel Castro. Cuba, of course, is a country with thousands of political prisoners, a country where oppression is pervasive and torture routine. The major issue to come out of Leahy's huddle with Castro? Ice cream. You see, Fidel had spoken up for Cuba's ice cream, and Pat had put in a word for Ben & Jerry's (Vermont's own). Said the senator in a post- huddle interview, "Now my major diplomatic effort will be to get a hold of Ben Cohen [the "Ben" of the company] and figure out how they can send down a case of Ben & Jerry's. Castro made me promise I would get Ben & Jerry's ice cream to him." Then the big concern was what the dictator's favorite flavor was. It's not clear whether Castro ever got his Ben & Jerry's; it's pretty clear, however, that Leahy is not overly troubled by the fates of the ice-cream lover's victims. The statements Leahy has made about Cuba show a profound ignorance, whether willful or not, about that battered island.

Also in the '80s, Leahy gained some notoriety as a member of the Intelligence Committee. He was charged with revealing classified information during the Achille Lauro terrorist incident, outraging administration officials. And he leaked a draft report on the Iran-contra affair, leading to his resignation from the intelligence panel. Behavior like this earned for him the sobriquet "Leaky Leahy."

It is in the field of the judiciary, of course, that Leahy has made his main reputation. More than any of his colleagues, he has been "Senator No" for judges nominated by Republican presidents. He voted against William Rehn quist's elevation to chief justice. And he was a major tormentor of Robert Bork during those awful hearings of 1987. In fact, he was responsible for one of their moments of highest drama.

He scolded Bork for doing insufficient charity work while a professor at Yale, and recited the fees he earned as an outside consultant during the years 1979 to 1981. Responded Bork, "Those are the only years I ever made any money in consulting." He continued, emotional, "There was a reason to get money, and I don't want to get into it here." Leahy acknowledged that the judge had his reasons. Then Sen. Gordon Humphrey, a Republican, broke in, saying, "Judge Bork, this is a very personal question, and if you prefer not to answer it, by all means do not — but were those years [ones that] coincided with heavy medical bills in your family?" Bork spoke one syllable: "Yeah." The bills towhich Humphrey had referred were for Bork's first wife, Claire, who died in December 1980. This was not only a moment of high drama, but one that turned the stomachs of many of those watching.

Leahy furthered distinguished himself in 1991 as the first senator to come out against Clarence Thomas (this was even before the allegations of Anita Hill). He hammered Thomas relentlessly. At one point, in a typical Leahy flourish, he said, "You describe yourself as a conservative. Well, most Vermonters are conservative, too"-but Thomas, in Leahy's eyes, wasn't the right kind of conservative. Later, in a floor statement, Leahy said, "I cannot promise the people of Vermont that I'm sure this nominee will protect their rights." And he avowed, most richly, "The last thing I seek in a Supreme Court justice is ideology."

Preludes to Chairman

Leahy became a major player on the Judiciary Committee in 1987, when Democrats wrested control of the Senate from Republicans. Biden was chairman, but Leahy was named head of a task force to scrutinize (or harass or delay or upend) Republican nominees. At last, he vowed, Democrats would "play hardball" (and this was years before Chris Matthews became a national celebrity). "No iffy nominees are going to get through now," Leahy crowed. The result was that nominees, many of them, were pecked at and left twisting in the wind. Interesting, in light of a later event, is that Leahy, back in '87, faulted the American Bar Association for its recommendations on judicial nominees. He said, "I have often found the ABA process to be perfunctory at best. I've often found it inadequate." According to the Washington Post, "Leahy said his task force would interview more lawyers, litigants, and local citizens instead of relying on the ABA." Leahy's entire approach in this period was: go slow, put the screws on, block.

Then when the Clinton administration came to power, and Republicans regained the Senate two years later, Leahy turned on a dime. Now the problem was "stalling tactics" (Republican), and the nation's courts suffered from a "vacancy crisis." Republicans were shirking their "constitutional duty," and mounting "nothing short of an attack on our independent judiciary." On CNN, Greta Van Susteren asked him, helpfully, "How can they get away with that? I mean, we've got all these vacancies." Answered Leahy, "Because the American public has not raised hell the way they should."

With the George W. Bush administration and the Jeffords flip, the pendulum has swung again: Leahy is back to go-slow. There is no more talk of a vacancy crisis or raising hell (at least the kind of hell Leahy intended for Senate Republicans). The ABA, whose role the current president has reduced, seems to be back in his good graces. Leahy is preparing new and intrusive questionnaires for Republican nominees, evidently designed to embarrass them and trip them up. He is promising hearings on the sins of the Rehnquist court and of conservative jurists generally. By every indication, he is gearing up for continual battle. During the Biden years, Leahy was only Number Two, and an enthusiastic player of "hardball." Now it may be all Borking, all the time.

No matter what the era, what the year, Leahy has been consistent on one thing: the ceaseless Republican war on "women and minorities." When Republicans have occupied the White House, they haven't appointed enough women and minorities (Reagan's record, for Leahy, was "shameful" — this despite Justice O'Connor, apparently; no word on whether Leahy counted Justice Thomas for the first George Bush). When Clinton was there, Republican senators worked diligently to thwart women and minorities. Leahy portrayed the Republicans' 1999 rejection of Judge Ronnie White as primarily a racial tragedy. The senator is utterly in keeping with his party in painting the GOP as the enemy of black Americans.

Hill Republicans say almost as one that Leahy is grossly, grossly underrated as-to quote that earlier Republican — "aleft-wing brute." In coming months and years, the country should get to know Leahy well, especially if Bush has a chance to nominate someone to the high court. On May 17, William Safire of the New York Times used his column to chide Leahy for his offenses against the First Amendment during the Ted Olson hearings. Nevertheless, he wrote, Leahy is "the best senator the Democrats have. He is my longtime friend, a stalwart on privacy [one of the columnist's chief concerns] and totally devoid of vindictiveness." It was this last clause, in particular, that made veteran Republicans choke.

As they have experienced it, Leahy is vindictive ness, or certainly severe, raw partisanship, personified. Jim Jeffords wrought a big change when he pulled his switcheroo — and nowhere will this change be felt more acutely than on the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: darthvader; leahy
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I don't know if this has been previously posted but I think its important that we all realize the type of people we are up against.

This article is a great Bio of the man that is holding Dubya's nominees for judgeships. Judgeships that WILL influence how safe you and I are in the weeks and months to come!

I know.......its a long article........but this IS important.

For other threads on tangential implications of this idiot see:

Obedient Democrats: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/557308/posts

Why is Daschle Blocking Judges needed to Try Terrorists when we Catch them?: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/557211/posts

Operation Obstruct Justice: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/556240/posts

Judgegate--Who are all these "Moderates?": http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/556569/posts



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1 posted on 10/26/2001 2:04:20 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: DoctorMichael; Poohbah
And we haven't even touched why he is nicknamed "Leaker," have we?

With guys like him in the Senate, I sure don't understand why John Warner gets such a burr up his butt about Ollie North.

2 posted on 10/26/2001 2:12:11 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
My mistake, they did.
3 posted on 10/26/2001 2:13:11 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: DoctorMichael
Bump for a later read.
4 posted on 10/26/2001 2:14:49 PM PDT by Movemout
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To: DoctorMichael
Re-emphasizing the importance of wresting control of the Senate from the DemoTRAITORS.
5 posted on 10/26/2001 2:15:42 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: DoctorMichael
Once the Senate goes home, time for GW to make some temporary Judge appointments (I forget what they're called, but Clinton made dozens of them).
6 posted on 10/26/2001 2:15:53 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: holyscroller
Recess appointments, as in Bill Lann Lee.
7 posted on 10/26/2001 2:24:07 PM PDT by katze
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To: DoctorMichael
Somebody--anybody--how do Republican chances of recapturing the Senate and sending Leahy back to the minors next year look?
8 posted on 10/26/2001 2:29:50 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: katze
Hillary, The Black Panthers, and Bill Lann Lee
9 posted on 10/26/2001 2:29:56 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: katze
We need this as issues in North Carolina, La, Georgia, Dakota and any Senate seat up in 2002.
10 posted on 10/26/2001 2:31:10 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: Kevin Curry
Not that I'm an expert, but remember Strom Thermond (sp?) just collapsed last week. That would be another Republican senator gone. And word is, when that happens, his Democrat governor would replace him, of course, with a Democrat.
11 posted on 10/26/2001 2:34:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Thurmond has to hang on for another year. Lindsey Graham will win his seat and keep it safely in Repblican hands for another thirty years.
12 posted on 10/26/2001 2:37:52 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: scooby321
A bump for a later response.

Leahy is truly a SCUMBAG

13 posted on 10/26/2001 2:38:34 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: DoctorMichael
Senator Patrick Leahy

We need judges, Senator Leahy. Lead, follow, or 'Get Out of the Way'!!! Failure to bring nominees to a vote is failure to lead, except for the 'power of one'. Why not a vote? Afraid that they will be approved?

14 posted on 10/26/2001 2:39:06 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: DoctorMichael
Pat Leahy is the meanest, most partisan, most ruthless Democrat in the Senate

It's hard to pick just one demorat senator for those labels. However, Leahy does want to make me puke.

Unfortunately, he claims to be a Catholic.

15 posted on 10/26/2001 2:44:39 PM PDT by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: DoctorMichael
Great post. I watched this SOB in the Ashcroft nomination. He is despicable. He threatens political comity in the Congress more than any other single person (with the possible exception of Hillary). When will the people of Vermont wake up? Or perhaps they would secede and join Quebec.
16 posted on 10/26/2001 2:49:32 PM PDT by Faraday
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To: hchutch
this guy needs to be out of american politics. what kind of loonies you got up there that vote this guy in? kinda like the loonies in manhattan votin for witch hilary. amazing degree of unique stupidity......and totally self destructive i might add
17 posted on 10/26/2001 2:51:05 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: hchutch
this guy needs to be out of american politics. what kind of loonies you got up there that vote this guy in? kinda like the loonies in manhattan votin for witch hilary. amazing degree of unique stupidity......and totally self destructive i might add
18 posted on 10/26/2001 2:51:11 PM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: DoctorMichael
Any idea as to what his favorite pork program is?

Maybe if enough people raised hell about it he would lighten up with the stonewalling.

20 posted on 10/26/2001 2:58:22 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Converse Lee
"That Hillary/Lee/Panther story has been completely debunked. It never happened."

Please cite sources of the 'debunking'. I have seen some of them; but, they all come from 'less than reputable' socialist sources. I would very much appreciate some solid evidence that she didn't deal with Treuhaft and the Black Panthers. I know how she didn't know about the 'Rose Law Firm' billing records that showed up in the White House library. 'Spinmeisters' spin. The Wellesley period to the Nixon 'Watergate' period have some 'gaps' in the record, and the junior Senator from New York is in no big hurry to make them public, IMHO.

21 posted on 10/26/2001 3:03:52 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: DoctorMichael
The real problem is that with one exception (Jon Kyl), no one on that committee will play Leahy's own game. Kyl calls him out, but the rest of the Republicans on the Judiciary Committee (Orrin, I'm looking at you) are weak sisters.
22 posted on 10/26/2001 3:04:20 PM PDT by scalia_#1
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To: DoctorMichael
This is frightening. P.S. Gary Condit is a dirtbag. For victory & freedom!!!
23 posted on 10/26/2001 3:07:45 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: DoctorMichael
Wasn't Leahy also the one who managed to get Lake Champlain classified as one of the Great Lakes, so that government funds for Great Lakes research could be siphoned off for the benefit of Vermont? The classification was later reversed because of the general ridicule, as I recall.
24 posted on 10/26/2001 3:11:05 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: d14truth
I know that the founding fathers planned the Senate so that each state, no matter how large or how small would have an equal representative on the Senate. Nonetheless, it's sad that a man from such an unimportant state is able to run things on the hill. Duval County, Florida has more residents than Vermont for goodness sake. With the exception of the remaining VT natives, VT is a socialist paradise full of trust fund babies from NY, NJ, Mass, and Connecticut. I lived just down the road from Pat Leahy's "tree farm" in VT. It is obviously just there so that he can save $$ on his taxes and so he can talk about his "farm" back home. The beautiful old barn is in a state of disrepair.

I believe that the Georgia legislature once voted to dig a trench around Vermont and float it out to sea. It's time to start digging...

25 posted on 10/26/2001 3:12:09 PM PDT by cactmh
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To: DoctorMichael
Either the Leahy - types win & we loose a nation. Will some Americans like the firefighter from NY stand up to him & force a change. It is time to tell your pubbie civil servant in Washington to shut Leahys mouth or get your a$$ out of the way so we can elect some persons with a spine that will do just that. Is it Freep'in time for this Ahole? Or is this too strong/ Maybe we could become president & when war breaks out we could be in a grade school telling the little ones that we love the Muslim people, then we changed the name of the campaign because we wanted to be PC & make statements that we may not bomb during THEIR holidays. We couldn't just kick the student visa people out of this country could we? This is sickening.
26 posted on 10/26/2001 3:30:30 PM PDT by Digger
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To: DoctorMichael
Bump for later perusal.
27 posted on 10/26/2001 3:35:35 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: cactmh
It would help if the White House would occupy the bully pulpit and raise Hell about the non-progress on confirming new federal judges.
28 posted on 10/26/2001 3:36:35 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: PhiKapMom
FYI!
29 posted on 10/26/2001 3:53:32 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: mwl1
A Senator leaked vital information, information that could have gottten our troops killed, God only knows what could have happen to more Americans. President Bush did nothing about the Senator. That Senator was not removed or convicted of treason, he remains in office and his name not given out, he is be protected. Condit was a threat to this country and Bush has said nothing about him being removed, instead Condit is rewarded and becomes even a greater threat to this country. Rick Lazio exposed Hitlary and her ties to groups that were connected to terrorists, the very terrorist that attact this country. Hitlary now sits in the Senate and posses a even greater threat to this country. Pres.Bush won't fight war on terrorist right in our country, in our government and he won't fight to keep the criminals off the benches and out of our justice dept. Bush also refuses to close our Mexican boarders. The Dems. want to close the Canadian boarder. Canadians are not rushing our boarders, bringing in drugs, gangs and killing people but Mexicans and other that are coming thru the Mexicans boarders are. Were fighting the Talibans on foreign soil but what about the Talibans in our Government,the Democratic party. Gephardt right now is pushing for Government Security for Airlines, that's Airlines Security BLOOD MONEY, the same blood money Al Gore was getting. The American people need to take a stand and make the Airlines do their job and secure the Airlines, if not sell their Airlines and pay back the money they recieved. Why isn't the news media asking what was Hitlary selling to the terrorist groups, they were not giving her money for no reason. The Anthrax information on how to get it and where to get it had to come from someone in this country. Eight years of party time, drunken fund raisers that were nothing more than AUCTIONS. America was for sale and the Clinton were selling it piece by piece. Now with the Anthrax threat, it seems like even American lives were on the auction block. Were fighting a loosing battle unless someone gets the ball rolling and start removing the criminals from our government. We have an FBI and even the FBI won't come forward and expose the criminals in our government.
30 posted on 10/26/2001 4:31:44 PM PDT by rebapiper
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To: d14truth
#9 Another Clinton stain. Clinton owed the Communist Chinese, and this was a payback.
31 posted on 10/26/2001 4:38:18 PM PDT by katze
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To: DoctorMichael
NUKE VERMONT!
32 posted on 10/26/2001 4:39:05 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: scooby321
We need this as issues in North Carolina, La, Georgia, Dakota and any Senate seat up in 2002.

10 posted on 10/26/01 2:31 PM Pacific by scooby321

By all means, and I'm counting on Elizabeth Dole for NC; she isn't my favorite, but sure beats a Dem. I need to resd up on who's runinng where.

33 posted on 10/26/2001 4:41:03 PM PDT by katze
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To: DoctorMichael
"Scumbag Alert" ??

Please understand that W.J. Clinton is the defacto "Scumbag". Please refer to all other scumbags in lowercase or as "scumbag junior", "son of scumbag", etc. etc.

34 posted on 10/26/2001 4:41:10 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: DoctorMichael
Lest we forget that the the 9/11 Attack On America was preceded by Jim Jeffords' Attack On America. Too bad we can lob a bunker buster at HIS cave.
35 posted on 10/26/2001 4:42:04 PM PDT by agave
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To: d14truth
"Hillary, The Black Panthers....."

Could this be the answer to the ubiquitous black pant suit?

Hillary is an honorary Black Panter.

36 posted on 10/26/2001 4:46:40 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Digger
One thing the people of New York will not do, is fight back. Why do you think Chuck Schumer and Hitlary are in the Senate. Hitlary was Booed and I was schock but it want happen again. I'm sure you heard, Hitlary later got a standing ovasion and for what? If I heard right, anyone connected to or supporting terrorist groups will also pay they price. Well, what was Hitlary selling and what were the terrorist groups getting for the money they were giving to HItlary? Why was it so important for the terrorist to get Hitlary elected to the Senate and who was sending death threats to Rick Lazio and his family? Where are the New Yorkers and why won't they DEMAND that our New York Senate seat be returned to a resident of New York. Hitlary attended meetings and fund raisers by the very people connected to the Hyjackers that killed 7,000 people and New Yorkers won't fight back but she gets a standing ovasion.
37 posted on 10/26/2001 5:00:01 PM PDT by rebapiper
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To: Saundra Duffy
If enough emails go to Fox news asking, What happened to Chandra Levy and why was Condit rewarded instead of being removed from office? As long as Anthrax makes the news it will continue to get worse. Lets get back to Gary Condit and the threat that he posses for this country. Hitlary should also be in the news, her ties to the terrorists. Fox always says, we report you decided. Put Fox to the challenge. Another story is why Gephardt wants the tax payers to pay for Airline Security. Let the Airlines off the hook and give the Security Blood money to Gephardt, Gephardt wants the same Blood money that Al Gore was taking from the airlines.
38 posted on 10/26/2001 5:11:28 PM PDT by rebapiper
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To: AmericaUnited
Post #34..........(sniff).....Sorry......(sniff).




HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA! How about scumbaggie?

39 posted on 10/26/2001 5:26:56 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: d14truth
"That Hillary/Lee/Panther story has been completely debunked. It never happened."
Please cite sources of the 'debunking'. I have seen some of them; but, they all come from 'less than reputable' socialist sources. I would very much appreciate some solid evidence that she didn't deal with Treuhaft and the Black Panthers. I know how she didn't know about the 'Rose Law Firm' billing records that showed up in the White House library. 'Spinmeisters' spin. The Wellesley period to the Nixon 'Watergate' period have some 'gaps' in the record, and the junior Senator from New York is in no big hurry to make them public, IMHO.

You've probably seen what The Urban Legends Website has to say about it.

"The sum total of her involvement in the trial was that she assisted the American Civil Liberties Union in monitoring the trial for civil rights violations."
You don't have to be a fan of the ACLU to recognize that that's not the same thing as "defending" the accused Panthers.

Hillary was a law student, a bit player. Bill Lan Lee was an undergrad, even more of a bit player. The article referenced above seeks to blame Hill & Bill (um, Bill the Lesser) for little more than being in the vicinity.

The article referenced earlier in this thread cites "Various sources," which is the same as citing no sources (among its errors, it erroneously lists Lee as a "law student" at the time). The Urban Legends site which I cite lists 6 sources, dating from 1973 to '99. You're welcome to look them up for yourself.

40 posted on 10/26/2001 5:47:57 PM PDT by DrunkenDotter
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To: DoctorMichael
We need to take a little time to remind these jerks that they should do what is best for the country and not what is best for themselves or their party. Thats what they promise when they take office. "Public servant" means just what it says.
41 posted on 10/26/2001 6:00:56 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: DoctorMichael
To: Self (9 PM Friday Nite)

ARGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Senator scumbaggie is on Larry King Live...........THE HORROR, THE HORROR.

42 posted on 10/26/2001 6:22:14 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: DrunkenDotter
DrunkenDotter member since October 26th, 2001
 

Hello, Drunk. Welcome to Free Republic. I thought I'd visit all of the threads you've posted on and let everyone know how long you've been here and why you decided to show up here.

Hahahaha! TV as babysitter! Whatever happened to parents' taking responsibility for the influences on their children? Let's blame Ellen for the fact that we're too lazy to pay attention to information sources which mold our children's minds from early youth! It's all big, bad, lesbian Ellen's fault! -- DrunkenDotter

The preceding was in response to the fact that the Human Rights Campaign, the largest of the organizations shoving the homosexual agenda down our throats, has bought a bunch of advertising time during the Saturday morning cartoons. Apparently brainwashing our kids in the public schools isn't enough for these people.

Now then, regarding your heroine Hillary, the time that she spent participating in the Watergate investigation was enough to provide abundant proof of her partisan hypocrisy. She wrote a report explaining why impeaching a president, purely for his political activities and with no evidence of any endangerment to national security, is perfectly appropriate.

43 posted on 10/27/2001 9:36:26 AM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
Isn't this cute! I've got my own stalker!

Now, Bryan: have you anything to say that's germane to the discussion?

That is to say: I posted to debunk a myth that's been going around about HRC. In response, you posted something about the "homosexual agenda" and Hillary's partisanship; you called her my "hero."

Sir, you have no clue as to who my "heroes" might be; and I never claimed that Senator Clinton is not partisan. I did respond with a well-referenced website which proves that the criticism of the junior senator from New York and of Mr. Lee is factually incorrect. If you cannot prove me wrong --if you cannot provide references which support the veracity of Post 9 in this thread-- then I submit that you have not contributed.

Thank you for your attention!

44 posted on 10/27/2001 10:04:48 AM PDT by DrunkenDotter
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To: DoctorMichael
Did you see him at the press conference the other day, what a juvenile! I was literally sickened.
45 posted on 10/27/2001 10:15:52 AM PDT by tiki
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To: DoctorMichael
Agree...this guy makes a horse's a$$ look like a beauty queen....also the guy from NooooYoook is from the same mold, Shummer the doomer....hope our Repubs stand up and make some good old fashioned...."in your face" rebuttles !!
46 posted on 10/27/2001 10:22:32 AM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: DrunkenDotter
People don't need to hear the pervert propaganda you are bringing to FreeRepublic. If we did need to we'd just tune into the mass media.
47 posted on 10/27/2001 10:24:35 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Bryan
Jerome Zeifman, in his book Without Honor, published in 1995, accuses Hillary of unethical conduct during the Judiciary Committee phase of the Watergate/Nixon impeachment investigation. Zeifman is a Democrat but honest.
48 posted on 10/27/2001 10:26:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Cultural Jihad
It would be a durned shame indeed if someone posted here without toeing the party line. You would then be forced to think for yourselves and evaluate the information that's presented to you, rather than just thinking what the unanimous voice of Freepdom tells you to think.

Have you anything of substance to add to this discussion, or do you believe that calling someone's contribution "pervert propaganda" is of value in itself?

49 posted on 10/27/2001 10:48:18 AM PDT by DrunkenDotter
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To: DrunkenDotter
** Homosexual Racism **

The racism of white homosexuals is very intense.
It is well-known to the liberal media,
Yet the media would never mention this fact.
It doesn't fit cozily in their "cause"
Of establishing BEHAVIORAL minority status to homosexuals.
If they WERE to report the racism of the homosexuals,
It would make them "journalists,"
Which they like to think they are.
But it would interfere with their "cause."

The homosexuals,
Who think they're better than mere "cows" and "breeders,"
They look at the minorities and say:
"Gee.
If these lowly Black people can have civil rights,
Then WE, who are better, anyway,
Who are more valuable than others,
WE should have civil rights, too!"

The homosexuals are courting the legitimate minorities,
To go along with them,
To accept their money,
In their civil rights "cause."

Thus, the genuine minorities are played for fools.

If minorities don't distance themselves
From the debauched homosexuals,
It will hurt THEMSELVES.
For their own survival,
They need to cut themselves off from the evildoers.

The mud just splatters,
And gets over EVERYBODY.


** Bigoted Against Evil Behaviors **

Concerning the question of rights, that homosexuals are a "legitimate minority group": Liberals are talking about a rise in hate crimes, against Arabs during the war, against different minority groups, and they ALWAYS include homosexuals, always slip in under that umbrella.

I don't think anyone should make physical assaults, but now, things such as verbal harassment. So what's next? If I see some guy pick up dog excrement off the street, and eat it, I'm not allowed to say anything? I'm not allowed to be disgusted and say: "Hey, you're sick, man! Cut it out!" If I see a prostitute on the corner, I'm not allowed to say: "Hey, you're doing something really terrible and awful! You're destroying yourself! I don't think you should be here!" That's the logical extension.

Anybody that wants to do any kind of evil, all they have to do is declare themselves a "minority group." Personally, I think that's one reason there's been an increase of intolerance towards LEGITIMATE minority groups. By homosexuals insisting that THEY'RE a minority group, they've diluted the whole concept of what a minority group IS. If being against homosexuality makes me a bigot, okay, I'm a bigot. That's what the liberals are saying: "If you won't tolerate homosexuality, then you're a bigot." They say that all the time. All I can say is: "Fine. So be it. Then I'm a bigot."

I think a lot of other people out there are saying the same thing. They've made it ACCEPTABLE to be a bigot, because people are saying: "If being in favor of civil rights means that I have to tolerate homosexuality, then I'm not in favor of civil rights anymore." Now bigotry is legitimized, because you can't expect people to accept homosexuality. That's just not going to happen. It may happen over the short-term, for a short period of time, if they can propagandize enough people. But then, all these young kids are going to be born in twenty years from now. They're going to all be coming up, and they're going to be as disgusted and repelled by it as most people are today. So these battles are going to have to be fought all over again, and they're not going to win.

Will rapists claim to be the next persecuted minority? Am I a bigot if I'm against rape? Then okay, I'm a bigot. Forget the other minorities. If society says THEY'RE a minority, too, then all the REAL, LEGITIMATE minorities must be something to be intolerant of as well.

It legitimizes real bigotry. I think it's the worst mistake that the civil rights movement has made in the last twenty years, accepting homosexuals as a legitimate minority group. I know they were doing it just to try to increase their numbers and to increase the pressure, so they could get more rights for themselves. But they made a terrible mistake, because for one thing, they've given up their high moral ground. Now, the backlash against homosexuals has now extended to legitimate minorities.

What a terrible blow to the self-esteem of minorities, to say: "I'm a minority; homosexuals are a minority; therefore we're equal." That's what the homosexuals are saying. So a black person is supposed to say: "Oh? I'm equal to a homosexual?" An Asian is supposed to say: "Oh? I'm equal to a sex-pervert?" They're trying to equate this equivalence with legitimate minority groups, to go along with that. What a blow to their self-esteem, to their sense of their own self-worth, to say they're no better than these guys who go out and do these disgusting acts, just because their skin is black, or yellow, or whatever. That's cruel to themselves.

It's cruel to equate legitimate racial, ethnic, and religious minorities, with people who are in the minority because they do evil, and most people don't do evil.


50 posted on 10/27/2001 11:08:22 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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