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The Arab World
The Hidden Dimension (book)pp. 154-164 | Edward Hall

Posted on 10/27/2001 11:12:18 PM PDT by Anima Mundi

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To: meenie
"If there are no boundaries, I can see where the Arabs have failed to get any semblance of prosperity."

I also read that they do not believe that interest should be charged (or paid, depending which side of the loan you are on) on loaned money. That has got to really cramp your ability to raise capital and run a business.

21 posted on 10/28/2001 3:29:21 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: ppaul
"taliban singles online" Very funny! LOL!
22 posted on 10/28/2001 4:04:50 AM PST by judyj
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To: Anima Mundi
Fascinating post. Thank you.
23 posted on 10/28/2001 4:07:00 AM PST by judyj
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To: ppaul
Hey, what's the opposite of deja vu? Prochain vu? Pas deja vu?

Is this some kind of a time warp or something? U.S. 2002 instead of Afghanistan 2001?

"Shawjan" looks suspiciously like Jane Fonda...

And the one in the rose burqa... I swear she's a dead ringer for Barbra Streissand! I'll bet she got that burqa "second hand"!

Do you suppose these gals have lied about their ages? Why on earth would they feel the need to do that?

Bet they're thanking the Democrats/Liberals for getting us into this present...uh...situation. Don't take all the credit now, girls!

They're gonna get a real kick out of the Taliban!

24 posted on 10/28/2001 4:09:40 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Don Joe
I think patriciaruth meant to say Barbric folk.
25 posted on 10/28/2001 4:13:56 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: EricOF
I believe it was Jamie Glasov of, that said they also do not have an Arab word equivalent of homosexual...
26 posted on 10/28/2001 4:29:45 AM PST by uvular
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To: Anima Mundi; veronica; beowolf; Sabramerican; Lent; angelo; boston_liberty; EaglesUpForever...
27 posted on 10/28/2001 4:32:59 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Anima Mundi
For our small town in Michigan, we have quite a large Yemeni population; sorry, can't find the exact numbers anywhere.

They rent large old homes and when driving by, you will see at least 3 young men sitting out on the front porch. They shop in groups of no less than 3 either; this article helps explain what had been sort of a mystery to me.

Now if they would take the time to understand our customs, as many of us are theirs...nope, don't see that happening.

28 posted on 10/28/2001 4:38:24 AM PST by uvular
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To: Anima Mundi
In one sense, there are no boundaries. “Edges” of towns, yes, but permanent boundaries out in the country (hidden lines), no.

This pretty much explains that even if the Palestinians achieve their own "state" there will still be terror attacks against Israel.

29 posted on 10/28/2001 4:56:21 AM PST by Dont Mess With US
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To: dennisw; harpseal; Travis McGee; Victoria Delsoul; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo...
Since we're trying to understand Arabs here, we ought to look to the father of all Arabs, and try to understand him. Arabs claim to be the descendents of Ishmael, son of Abraham, and Jews and Christians concur.

What does the Bible say about Ishmael?

Sounds about right, doesn't it?

30 posted on 10/28/2001 7:47:01 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: EricOF
Rape wouldn't exist as a word because in Islamic cultures, women aren't human beings, they are only possessions that a man will purchase and own.
31 posted on 10/28/2001 8:17:50 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Anima Mundi
It seems they would need big homes for all the wives and children. If they have just 4 wives, they can easily have 40 children so a home would have to be quite large to hold them all.
32 posted on 10/28/2001 8:19:47 AM PST by FITZ
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To: EricOF; dennisw; Manny Festo
I find it hard to believe that there is no word for "rape" in Arabic, but I can't find my Arabic dictionary. The problem is militant Islam (and peaceful Islam has almost become an oxymoron). Most Arab husbands and fathers who haven't been brainwashed by Mohammed are wonderful such as my grandfather and they don't hate Jews. We need to ask Debbie Schlussel. She is fluent in Arabic. Of course, maybe the Moslems have a new law now, they erased the word "rape" from the vocabulary. I wouldn't be surprised.

"Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall" Quran 4:78
I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, maim them in every limb.Quran 8:12
Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another… Through them Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. Quran 48:29

33 posted on 10/28/2001 8:38:31 AM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: Anima Mundi
It is not America but moderate Islam that created the terrorist arab world. Make no mistakes.
34 posted on 10/28/2001 8:55:09 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Prodigal Daughter

Hadith and Koran search engines are back!


The Book of Jihad and Expedition (Kitab Al-Jihad wa'l-Siyar)


The word Jihad is derived from the verb jahada which means:" he exerted himself". Thus literally, Jihad means exertion, striving; but in juridico-religious sense, it signifies the exertion of one's power to the utmost of one's capacity in the cause of Allah. This is why the word Jihad has been used as the antonym to the word Qu, ud (sitting) in the Holy Qur'an (iv. 95). Thus Jihad in Islam is not an act of violence directed indiscriminately against the non-Muslims; it is the name given to an all-round struggle which a Muslim should launch against evil in whatever form or shape it appears. Qital fi sabilillah (fighting in the way of Allah) is only one aspect of Jihad. Even this qital in Islam is not an act of mad brutality. It has its material and moral functions, i. e. self-preservation and the preservation of the moral order in the world. The verdict of all religious and ethical philosophies-ancient and modern-justify war on moral grounds. When one nation is assailted by the ambitions and cupidity of another, the doctrine of non-resistance is anti-social, as it involves non-assertion, not only of one's own rights, but of those of others who need protection against the forces of tyranny and oppression. A Muslim is saddled with the responsibilities to protect himself and all those who seek his protection. He cannot afford to abandon the defenceless people, old man, women and children to privation, suffering and moral peril. Fighting in Islam, therefore, represents in Islamic Law what is known among Western jurists as" just war".

The very first revelation in which the permission to wage war against the forces of evil sums up the aims and objects of qital in Islam:

" Permitted'are those who are fought against, because they have been oppressed. and verily God is more Powerful for their aid. Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: 'Our Lord is Allah, ' for had it not been for 'Allah's repelling someone by means of others, cloisters and churches and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft-mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily Allah helps one who helps Him. Lo! Allah is Strong. Almighty" (xxii. 39. 41).

These verses eloquently speak of 'the fact that it is neither for the acquisition of territory nor for the love of power and distinction that the Muslims have been permitted to raise arms against the enemy. They were allowed to do so because their very existence had been made difficult by the high-handedness of the Meccans. The Holy Qur'an has elucidated this point in the following verse:

" And what reason have you not to fight in the way of Allah and for the oppressed among men and women and children who say: Our Lord! take us forth from the town whereof the people are oppressors and grant us from Thee a friend and grant us from Thee a helper" (iv. 75).

The war in Islam is waged with a view to securing liberty and freedom for those who are groaning under the oppression of heartless tyrants. It is the bounden duty of the Muslims to alleviate their sufferings and create for them an atmosphere of peace and security.

Then in the succeeding verse a distinction is also drawn between two types of war: one which is fought for the sake of Allah and the other which is waged for evil ends:

" Those who believe fight in the way of Allah and those who disbelieve fight in the way of devil. So fight against the friends of Satan; verily weak indeed is the strategy of the devil" (iv. 76).

It has been made clear that those people who fight for self-glorification or for the exploitation of the weak are in fact friends of the devil; wheres those who raise arms to curb tyranny and aggression, to eradicate evil from the human society, fight in the way of Allah. Mere fighting is not, therefore, Jihad in Islam; it is the noble objective alone which makes it a sacred pursuit like devotion and prayer. It is narrated on the authority of Abu Musa Ash'ari that once a man went to the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and said: One man fights for the sake of spoils of war, the second one fights for fame and glory and the third to display his courage and skill; which among them is the fighter for the cause of Allah? Upon this the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) replied: He who fights with the sole objective that the word of Allah should become supreme is a Mujahid in the cause of the Lord.

A Mujahid is thus a noble person who offers his life for the achievement of lofty ends. He is actuated by human considerations lifts arms not under the impulse of fury and revenge, but with will, fore-thought, tenacity and fellow-feeling, and his conduct bears the imprint of human intellect, human sympathy and sense of justice.

Western scholars have indulged in a good deal of mud-slinging on the question of the use of the sword in Islam. But if one were to reflect calmly on this point one would be convinced that the sword has not been used recklessly by the Muslims; it has been wielded purely with humane feelings in the wider interest of humanity. Utmost regard was always shown to human life, honour and property even on the battlefield. That is why in all the eighty-two encounters between the Muslims and the non-Muslims during the life of the Holy Prophet (may peace he upon him), only 1018 persons lost their lives on both sides. Out of this 259 were Muslims, whereas the remaining 759 belonged to the opposite camp. One wonders at the audacity of these writers only when one compares the religious wars of Charles the Great, in which 4300 pagan Saxons were killed in cold blood, when one recalls the" famous answer by which the Papal Legate, in the Albigensian war, quieted the scruples of a too conscientious general, 'Kill all, God will know His own'.... When we recall the Spanish Inquisition, the conquest of Mexico and Peru, the massacre of St. Bartholomew, and the sack of Magdeburg by Tilly."

It is indeed strange that the criticism on the use of sword by Muslims emanates from those whose hands are soiled in the blood of countless innocent human beings, by those who exult in the techniques of homicide, who have depersonalised warfare to such an extent that millions of innocent men and women are put to death and numberless are thrown into concentration camps and flogged with steel rods and ox-hide whips, and all this is done without any qualm of conscience. As human beings. we hang our heads down in shame when we think of the horrifying atrocities which have been perpetrated by the modern civilised men. It is estimated that. in the First World War, ten million soldiers were killed and an equal number of civilians lost their lives, and twenty million died on account of widespread epidemics and famines throughout the world as an aftermath of this war. Economic costs are estimated at $ 338,000,000,000 of which $ 186,000,000,000 were direct costs.


35 posted on 10/28/2001 10:42:59 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Sabertooth
This was brought to my attention one afternoon when an Arab colleague who is the author of an Arab-Engish dictionary arrived in my office and threw himself into a chair in a state of obvious exhaustion,. When I asked him what had been going on, he said: "I have spent the entire afternoon trying to find the Arab equivalent of the English word 'rape.' There is no such word in Arabic. All my sources, both written and spoken, can come up with no more than an approximation, such as 'He took her against her will.' There is nothing in Arabic approaching your meaning as it is expressed in that one word."

According to the Koran (and hence God) women are psychologically inferior to men; and man was the original creation. Woman was created secondarily for the pleasure and repose of man. The Koran also maligns women by attributing guile, deceit and treachery as intrinsic to a woman's nature. Not only is she unwilling to change, she is by nature incapable of changing -- she has no choice. Muhammad himself is reputed to have said: "If it had not been for Eve, no woman would have been unfaithful to her husband."

"But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember." (Koran 2.282)

In the above verse, the testimony of two women is worth that of one man. In Islam the rule is not to accept the testimony of women alone in matters to which men theoretically have access.

Not only the word rape is missing from the Arabic language, but also the rapists are protected. For a woman to prove she has been raped, four Muslim adult males of good repute must be present to testify that sexual penetration has taken place. Furthermore, in keeping with good Islamic practice, these laws value the testimony of men over women. The combined effect of these laws is that it is impossible for a woman to bring a successful charge of rape against a man; instead, she herself, the victim, finds herself charged with illicit sexual intercourse, adultery or fornication, while the rapist goes free. If the rape results in a pregnancy, this is automatically taken as an admission that adultery or fornication has taken place with the woman's consent rather than that rape has occurred.

36 posted on 10/28/2001 1:52:18 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: dennisw
My name isn't there but I got the bump anyway. This happening a lot. Anybody have an explanation.

This article though interesting enough to skim is MORE than I ever wanted to know about this disgusting culture.

37 posted on 10/28/2001 3:19:15 PM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
You got the invisible secret Jewish handshake bump.
38 posted on 10/28/2001 4:11:05 PM PST by dennisw
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40 posted on 10/28/2001 6:09:19 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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