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FBI Wary of Investigating Extremist Muslim Leaders
Washington Post ^ | 10/29/01 | Walter Pincus

Posted on 10/29/2001 4:01:18 AM PST by vrwc54

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Fearing charges of religious persecution, the FBI for years has hesitated to investigate radical Islamic clerics in the United States despite evidence that their mosques have been used to recruit and fund suspected terrorists, present and former law enforcement officials said.

Even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, "the veil of religion that has been draped over mosques . . . will be tough to move off," an FBI official said last week. "The Arab American community can become enraged and beat on the FBI."


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"THE FBI HAS BEEN AFRAID TO INVESTIGATE extremist Muslim leaders for fear of being accused of religious bigotry. 'Even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, "the veil of religion that has been draped over mosques . . . will be tough to move off," an FBI official said last week. "The Arab American community can become enraged and beat on the FBI."'

Actually, as Chris Mooney has pointed out, 77% of the Arab-American community is Christian. Phil Heyman has a sensible perspective:

"You can't be in a struggle with a segment of a religious movement and not pursue them as you would any other suspected criminal," said Phillip B. Heymann, a professor of criminal law at Harvard Law School.

"The standard of probable cause ought to be the same for religious leaders as for others," said Heymann, who headed the criminal division of the Justice Department during the Carter administration and was briefly deputy attorney general under President Bill Clinton

Special treatment for religious leaders is a violation of religious freedom, too.

But what's embarrassing is that this is transparently political ass-covering on the part of the FBI. There aren't any religious freedom issues here. They just don't want to be denounced by "Arab-Americans."

Hey, you guys told us this stuff was bad enough that we were supposed to give up a lot of freedoms for your terrorism bill. Now you're telling us you're afraid of some bad press? That makes me feel so much better."

1 posted on 10/29/2001 4:01:18 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
Oh, it would be so wrong to profile muslims. So that's why they are blaming everything on American conservatives. after all, it's now official. We have no rights.
2 posted on 10/29/2001 4:03:51 AM PST by Garrisson Lee
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To: Garrisson Lee
The last paragraph is not reassuring:
One current FBI interest is in Rahman's followers -- the network of imams and mosques he presided over and visited in the United States. The bureau hopes to determine the names of American Muslims who were recruited and sent to Afghanistan for training at bin Laden's camps. "We don't have a clue of all those who went through that system," an FBI official said.

3 posted on 10/29/2001 4:08:01 AM PST by vrwc54
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To: vrwc54
Fearing charges of religious persecution,...

They could just pretend that they are "Extremist Christian Leaders". Then they could do anything from investigating them to incinerating them.

4 posted on 10/29/2001 4:10:07 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: vrwc54
Rev. Moon of the Unification Church was put in jail for tax evasion . . . but nobody cared because he had conservative political views, wasn't trying to overthrow America and represented a cult rather than a great peaceful religion.

If the FBI won't go after Imans who call for the overthrow of America, maybe we ought to fire them and hire Mossad.

5 posted on 10/29/2001 4:11:14 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Garrisson Lee
The FBI needs to watch Steve Emerson documentary "Jihad in America" about 100 times to get the message! http://www.ou.org/audio/video/jihad.ram
6 posted on 10/29/2001 4:14:31 AM PST by dtom
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To: vrwc54
It was OK for the BATF to attack the Branch Davidians sitting in the middle of nowhere and bothering nobody
7 posted on 10/29/2001 4:16:36 AM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Meanwhile, it's open season on Christians and those in the pro-life movement.
9 posted on 10/29/2001 4:18:45 AM PST by ikanakattara
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To: vrwc54
We are not asking that extremist Muslims be treated any better or worse than the religious folks in Waco.

If it is good enough for Christian zealots, then it should be good enough for Muslim zealots.

Right !?!?!?!?

10 posted on 10/29/2001 4:20:50 AM PST by eFudd
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To: vrwc54
They have to be politically correct as per "Reno The Great" of the Billary administration.
11 posted on 10/29/2001 4:20:51 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: vrwc54
Fearing charges of religious persecution, the FBI for years has hesitated to investigate radical Islamic clerics in the United States despite evidence that their mosques have been used to recruit and fund suspected terrorists, present and former law enforcement officials said.

You have got to be effing kidding me.

OFFEND A FEW PEOPLE! PERSECUTE A RELIGION IF THAT RELIGION HAS, AS IT'S OVERARCHING GOAL, OUR DEATH!

12 posted on 10/29/2001 4:21:03 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: M1991
The only item in a prisoners cell not subject to search at any time is the koran.

If *I* ran a prison, this would be the only item allowed to be burned.

13 posted on 10/29/2001 4:22:13 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
OFFEND A FEW PEOPLE! PERSECUTE A RELIGION IF THAT RELIGION HAS, AS IT'S OVERARCHING GOAL, OUR DEATH!

At this time, I would like to nominate Lazamataz for FBI Director. Or Supreme Leader. Or something.

14 posted on 10/29/2001 4:26:35 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: vrwc54
Tell the UCF President that the bigot, Prof Alarian, profiled on NBC last night must go!!!!

UCF President
15 posted on 10/29/2001 4:27:03 AM PST by Octavius
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To: vrwc54; Travis McGee; Lazamataz
""the veil of religion that has been draped over mosques . . . will be tough to move off,"

"The Arab American community can become enraged and beat on the FBI"

When, in the name of that religion, terrorist groups supported by entire governments slaughter thousands of innocent Americans, the veil has already been ripped off for all to see. When leaders in that religion here in America advocate the destruction of us as the "Great Satan" and gather money for the terrorists, the veil has already been removed by their own actions.

If we are not willing, prepared and ready to seriously go after these people in our nation who are in ANY way shape of form suppotive of this after 911, we are going to lose a lot more people before we are.

Incredible statement by a supposed FBI source.

16 posted on 10/29/2001 4:31:53 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: vrwc54
One current FBI interest is in Rahman's followers -- the network of imams and mosques he presided over and visited in the United States. The bureau hopes to determine the names of American Muslims who were recruited and sent to Afghanistan for training at bin Laden's camps. "We don't have a clue of all those who went through that system," an FBI official said.

Lovely. "Don't have a clue," huh? Aren't there INS or customs records of American citizens who have recently visited Pakistan or neighboring countries? Shouldn't there be?

I don't think their anti-discrimination philsophy holds true when dealing with other groups. Guilt by association is the typical SOP for the FBI (e.g., Branch Davidians, Ku Klux Klan, FALN, Black Panthers, Randy Weaver's family and friends, various militia groups, Terry Nichols, the SLA, the list goes on and on).

17 posted on 10/29/2001 4:32:43 AM PST by shezza
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To: dtom
Equally disturbing is the muslim response to Steve Emerson's documentary at this link:

Muslim opinion of Jihad in America
18 posted on 10/29/2001 4:39:22 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: vrwc54; 2sheep; Lent; Prodigal Daughter; dennisw
I am reminded of...


19 posted on 10/29/2001 4:43:25 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: vrwc54
I guess this article tells us why the FBI has been leaking accusations that right-wing militia types are behind the anthrax letters. Poor scared FBI!

I wonder what the FBI would have done if Nazism had just declared itself a religion? (In fact, it was a quasireligion -- probably as much of a religion as this Islamofascism, Hitler kept talking about how he had been chosen by Providence -- and could easily have made that claim.)

20 posted on 10/29/2001 4:45:57 AM PST by aristeides
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To: ladyinred
ping
21 posted on 10/29/2001 4:54:01 AM PST by Clovis_Skeptic
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To: vrwc54
'Even after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, "the veil of religion that has been draped over mosques . . . will be tough to move off,"

Hmm . . . The IRS seems to have no problem breaking religious organizations. Wonder why the kid gloves are still on? Are our FBIs just plain afraid of real criminals?

22 posted on 10/29/2001 4:59:14 AM PST by antidisestablishment
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To: eFudd
Yes, and I don't remember Pres. Clinton standing up and calling for tolerance of the Davidian's admittedly non-mainstream brand of Christian religion like Bush has done for Muslims. Instead, Pres. Clinton headed-up the hate fest in America (aided and abetted by the media) by calling them a bunch of religious fanatics who killed themselves. I will never understand -- you come here from abroad filled with hate for everything and everyone American and kill 6000 people and you get the President praising your religion and refusing to admit the real connections between religiously fueled hate and terrorism. But if you are a non-traditional Christian group that hasen't hurt anyone but has shown an interest in (horror upon horror) GUNS, then you are fair game for every alphabet agency in the federal phone directory.

Only in America is the government more concerned to protect the "rights" of those people who are here illegally and are determined to kill us than it is to protect the rights of harmless citizens who have non-mainstream Christian religious beliefs. This governmental insanity doesn't bode well for our very survival as a nation, and bodes even less well for our civil liberties.

23 posted on 10/29/2001 5:20:31 AM PST by politeia
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To: vrwc54
bttt
24 posted on 10/29/2001 8:23:43 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: OKCSubmariner
Clinton: "My only enemy is right-wing religious fundamentalism."
25 posted on 10/29/2001 12:37:55 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Vigilanteman
If the FBI won't go after Imans who call for the overthrow of America, maybe we ought to fire them and hire Mossad. 5 posted on 10/29/01 5:11 AM Pacific by Vigilanteman [

Now your talking!!!

26 posted on 10/29/2001 12:40:01 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
27 posted on 10/29/2001 12:40:14 PM PST by timestax
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To: vrwc54
If it's WP, it is highly questionable, The WP, NY Times moles and rats within the administration seldom if ever represent the administration's position.
28 posted on 10/29/2001 12:40:33 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: eFudd
bttt
29 posted on 10/29/2001 12:40:46 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
30 posted on 10/29/2001 12:41:03 PM PST by timestax
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
bump to the top!
31 posted on 10/29/2001 12:41:59 PM PST by timestax
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To: vrwc54
Fearing charges of religious persecution, the FBI for years has hesitated to investigate radical Islamic clerics in the United States despite evidence that their mosques have been used to recruit and fund suspected terrorists, present and former law enforcement officials said.

The great and terrible FBI, destroyer of freedoms and enslaver of millions. LOL!

32 posted on 10/29/2001 12:51:14 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: ikanakattara
Yeah, never mind that some elements of the prolife movement were deliberately engaging in violations of federal law (blockading clinics, bombing clinics, shooting abortionists). The FBI was just persecuting them. Never mind that in the 1980s, the FBI was pretty squeamish. It took a doctor getting shot to get the FBI to crack down on violence against abortionists. (BTW, I am pro-life; I was appalled by the violent extremes of the movement, because they'd sold out to the very cause they claimed to be opposing--the culture of death.)

Now that a few folks have been outed as supporting a jihad, look for FBI squeamishness about going after imams to vanish.

33 posted on 10/29/2001 12:57:27 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: timestax
Remember when the press used to do investigative reporting of their own instead of relying on government press briefings and daily DNC PR (a la Clinton) pieces? We can help. (^:

Muslim Brotherhood Movement Homepage:

Theme

Allah is our objective.
The messenger is our leader.
Quran is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

35 posted on 10/29/2001 2:53:44 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
To: timestax Remember when the press used to do investigative reporting of their own instead of relying on government press briefings and daily DNC PR (a la Clinton) pieces? We can help. (^: Muslim Brotherhood Movement Homepage:

I think Our Republic is almost gone. Gone with the wind!

We will NEVER get back that freewheeling 1950's and late 1960's, "love the world(we can make a difference and change the world)" feeling, and way of life.

It was great being a teenager in the late 1960's!!It wasn't too bad in the 1970's either...the early 1970's!

36 posted on 10/29/2001 3:05:33 PM PST by timestax
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To: vrwc54
If true,this is NOT right!! They should be fired pronto!!
37 posted on 10/29/2001 8:28:37 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
38 posted on 10/29/2001 8:30:33 PM PST by timestax
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To: OkieGrit2
bump
39 posted on 10/29/2001 8:31:52 PM PST by timestax
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To: antidisestablishment
Maybe the FBI and the IRS should swap responsibilities. That would be interesting.
40 posted on 10/29/2001 8:34:01 PM PST by bluefish
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To: antidisestablishment
They are chickens!!
41 posted on 10/29/2001 8:34:14 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
42 posted on 10/29/2001 8:45:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: bluefish
great idea!
43 posted on 10/29/2001 8:46:26 PM PST by timestax
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To: SpaceBar
Emerson is dangerous, all right--to THEM.. He is a prophet
44 posted on 10/29/2001 8:54:10 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
bump to the top
45 posted on 10/30/2001 12:27:02 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Restructure the FBI asap!
46 posted on 10/30/2001 12:35:25 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
"It is unfortunate you have obtained these documents," said one upset FBI agent who added, "it makes us look bad."

Unfortunately, keeping the Bureau from "looking bad" seems to be the FBI's top priority.

47 posted on 10/30/2001 12:43:02 AM PST by Zorobabel
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To: Zorobabel
Yeah, our Republic is finished. Nothing seems to be going correctly anymore. There is no way these FBI jerks will be fired or diciplined.
48 posted on 10/30/2001 1:09:22 AM PST by timestax
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To: uncbob
It was OK for the BATF to attack the Branch Davidians sitting in the middle of nowhere and bothering nobody 7 posted on 10/29/01 5:16 AM Pacific by uncbob [

They will let those Islamic creeps get away with murder!!

49 posted on 10/30/2001 1:11:39 AM PST by timestax
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To: shezza
"Don't have a clue," huh? Aren't there INS or customs records of American citizens who have recently visited Pakistan or neighboring countries?

Suggestion...the first place that I would look would be in Hillary's closet.

50 posted on 10/30/2001 1:15:08 AM PST by kcvl
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