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In Defense of Jabez
First Things ^ | 10/01 | Phillip Zaleski

Posted on 10/29/2001 6:59:00 AM PST by Aquinasfan

In Defense of Jabez

Philip Zaleski

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“Read not the times, read the eternities,” said Henry David Thoreau. It isn’t often that the two realms intersect, but they have this year—and not only in the New York Times, but in news media across America—with the runaway success of Bruce Wilkinson’s The Prayer of Jabez: Breaking Through to the Blessed Life (Multnomah, 2000). The Prayer of Jabez, as almost everyone knows by now, proclaims the blessings that derive from reciting an obscure prayer buried in a genealogical litany of, well, biblical proportions in the driest book in scripture, 1 Chronicles. The pertinent text, in the New King James Version favored by Wilkinson, reads:

Now Jabez was more honorable than his brothers; and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, “Because I bore him in pain.” And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, “Oh, that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil, that I may not cause pain!” So God granted him what he requested (1 Chronicles 4:9-10).

Wilkinson first recited the prayer as a young seminary student uncertain about his future. The results, he writes, “revolutionized my life,” launching him on a thirty-year career as a minister and writer. They have also spawned a mini-industry of audiotapes, gift items, spin-off books (The Prayer of Jabez Journal, The Prayer of Jabez for Teens, etc.), and a website, www.prayerofjabez.com, packed with accounts of “miracles” by those rescued or revitalized by saying the prayer. One correspondent writes of the prayer’s role in foiling a plane hijacking, another of using the prayer to comfort a child scared by a mouse.

The Prayer of Jabez is, if nothing else, an astute blend of literary archaeology, evangelical cheerleading, and attractive packaging. That Wilkinson brought the Jabez prayer to public attention is admirable enough; like Poe’s purloined letter, it has been in plain sight for thousands of years, translated into hundreds of languages as a portion of the most widely read book in the world, and yet it has remained utterly invisible. Even the Church Fathers, exegetical Argonauts who explored the vast seas of the Old Testament inch-by-inch, overlooked it; I found not a single mention of it in the standard thirty-eight-volume Edinburgh edition of the Ante-Nicene, Nicene, and Post-Nicene Fathers.

Wilkinson has no interest in scholarly analysis; he uses each of the prayer’s four petitions as a springboard for an affable, upbeat sermon whose key message is that God wishes to “release His miraculous power in your life now. And for all eternity, He will lavish on you His honor and delight.” As the 7.4 million copies sold to date indicate, the public has rushed to accept this divine outpouring with opened arms and wallets.

The success of The Prayer of Jabez is the major publishing story of the year, testimony to our intense hunger for a fruitful relationship with God. But of equal interest, I believe, is the extensive (but by no means universal) condemnation of the book by the news media, the intelligentsia, and the professional theological community. Most of the objections take one of four basic forms:

Discomfort with evangelical religion. This is easy enough to spot. One sees it, for example, in the opening sentence of many of the news reports. Thus the Washington Post begins its story in mock-preacher style, asking readers to “Please bow your heads.” The New York Times Book Review’s essay starts in similar fashion: “Our text today is The Prayer of Jabez.” Such openings, blending condescension and wit, put the reader on notice: what follows should be read with one eyebrow arched. That the national media have a hard time with evangelical stories is scarcely a revelation, but it should be borne in mind when analyzing the widespread opposition to Wilkinson’s book.

Discomfort with Wilkinson’s style. Only those with a tin ear can defend Wilkinson’s way with words; his prose is the stuff of billboards (“Friend, have you ever seen the Holy Spirit break through emotional and spiritual barriers right before your eyes?”), as pushy and gawky as a down-on-his-luck Bible salesman. But this is a sin against style, not against God; it says nothing about the efficacy of the Jabez prayer or the fundamental integrity of Wilkinson’s message.

Discomfort with petitionary prayer. Here lies the heart of most assaults on The Prayer of Jabez. A number of liberal theologians object to the very notion of petitionary prayer, considering it to be a “low” form of prayer and contending that God, who is not given to caprice, has better things to do than cater to our transient whims. Moreover, the argument goes, petitionary prayer is redundant, as God already knows our most intimate needs and desires. The answer to these objections, of course, is that no less an authority than Jesus of Nazareth, when asked by his disciples, “Lord, teach us to pray,” responded with a paradigmatic set of petitions, at least some of which (“give us this day our daily bread”; “deliver us from evil”) bear comparison with the Jabez prayer. It’s worth noting, too, that prayers of petition appear prominently in every religion (even nontheistic forms of Buddhism), for every religious community instinctively senses that such prayers have a legitimate place in worship and that they (sometimes) work.

Many critics, however, point their fingers not at petition in general, but squarely at the second clause of the Jabez prayer: “enlarge my territory.” This request, especially in light of Wilkinson’s rather ham-handed declaration that “if Jabez had worked on Wall Street, he might have prayed, ‘Lord, increase the value of my investment portfolios,’” has raised the specter of Reverend Ike and his ilk; thus the London Times headline of May 10, “Please Lord, make me rich.” Here theologians go for the knockout, declaring the Jabez prayer and its disciples to be crude, self-serving, and narcissistic.

But these punches miss the mark. Wilkinson emphasizes throughout his book that while praying the Jabez prayer we must want “nothing more and nothing less than what God wants for us.” That is: “not my will, but Thine, be done” (Luke 22:42). In the book and on the website, the vast majority of answered prayers have nothing to do with personal aggrandizement and everything to do with bringing peace and goodwill to others, usually by spreading the gospel. We hear testimony, for example, from a worried mother who discovers that “enlarge my territory” means that her kids will accompany her to Sunday School. This entails, of course, a more-than-literal interpretation of “territory,” which brings to mind those Church Fathers mentioned above. Surely, if they had noticed the prayer of Jabez, they would have offered allegorical, analogical, and symbolic interpretations in addition to a literal reading; they too might have argued that “enlarge my territory,” especially when voiced by an “honorable” man such as Jabez, meant “enlarge the glory of God.”

As for those few who recite the Jabez prayer, or any prayer, out of selfish motives, one trusts that if the prayer is unworthy, God will not answer it. One also prays that those who ask blessings for themselves will do the same for their neighbors. It should be noted, however, that the impulse to ask God for help—for success on a school test, a marriage proposal, a commercial venture—is natural, healthy, and hardly limited to our reportedly narcissistic culture. Consider, for example, this prayer for success in gathering seaweed, collected in the nineteenth century on a remote Scottish isle by the peripatetic anthropologist Alexander Carmichael and included in his Carmina Gadelica:

The people watch and hope and pray for the coming of seaweed, and are anxious at the prospect of impending famine. When the seaweed comes they rejoice and sing hymns of praise to the gracious God of the sea who has heard their prayers:

Seaweed being cast on shore,
Bestow, Thou Being of bestowal;
Produce being brought to wealth,
O Christ, grant me my share!

Discomfort with the promised results of the prayer. Few commentators have addressed this issue, and yet I believe it is the only serious objection to The Prayer of Jabez. “God really does have unclaimed blessings waiting for you,” writes Wilkinson, and few who believe in God and His love for mankind will disagree. But what sort of blessings? Christianity teaches that our final destiny is holiness: “Be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). This perfection is not won without suffering and sacrifice, as the testimony of two thousand years of saintly attainment bears witness. The Catechism of the Catholic Church puts it succinctly: “There is no holiness without renunciation and spiritual battle. Spiritual progress entails the ascesis and mortification that gradually lead to living in the peace and joy of the Beatitudes.”

The Prayer of Jabez hints at the mysterious value of suffering, for instance in Wilkinson’s warnings against spiritual pride, but the message is never spelled out. The abiding assumption seems to be that “blessings” means worldly wealth and happiness, albeit in the service of God. But who would hogtie the Almighty in this way? Every spring the Church celebrates the feast day of Justin Martyr, whose very name proclaims the redemptive suffering bestowed by God. Blessings, it seems, can come in many forms. The Bible doesn’t tell us if Jabez had undergone a similar trial of suffering and self-sacrifice, but curiously enough, his name, like Justin’s, strongly suggests it. A number of scholars have pointed out that Jabez (y‘btz) is a play on b‘tzb, the Hebrew word for pain. As Sara Japhet unpacks the prayer in her I & II Chronicles: A Commentary (1993), the boy’s given name was actually Jazeb, which his mother distorted in “an intentional mispronunciation . . . as an urgent plea to God to avert the name’s inherent dangers.”

Thus Jabez, a man whose adopted name constitutes in itself a petitionary prayer and who, despite the affliction of his accursed birth-name, grows “more honorable than his brothers”—that is to say, closer to holiness. By what means could Jabez’s virtue have grown, if not by the inevitable path of the saints? God has blessed Jabez and granted him his prayer, but this blessing must have entailed genuine metanoia, with its concomitant suffering. As Kierkegaard reminds us, “Prayer does not change God, but it changes him who prays.” So, too, I suspect, the Jabez prayer may change us all, in ways easy or hard to swallow, but always to the greater glory of God.

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Philip Zaleski is currently writing, with his wife Carol Zaleski, The Language of Paradise: Prayer in Human Life and Culture, to be published by Houghton Mifflin in 2003.


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I have to admit, I was pretty skeptical of the whole "prayer of Jabez" phenomenon. I had kind of lumped it in with name-it-and-claim-it-ism. But the author makes the case for the prayer very nicely.
1 posted on 10/29/2001 6:59:00 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Regardless of how it may come across, the Word of God does not come back void. I'm praising God that many who have never read the Word may have read this little book. While we don't want folks to treat God like a celestial bellhop, perhaps some will actually take the time to get to know the One to whom they are praying this little prayer.
2 posted on 10/29/2001 7:01:47 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Aquinasfan
Problems With the Prayer of Jabez --Berit Kjos
3 posted on 10/29/2001 7:04:08 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: anniegetyourgun
I have a friend that has come back to the Lord as a result of this book.
Give God the glory!
4 posted on 10/29/2001 7:11:53 AM PST by pubmom
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To: anniegetyourgun
This is the best critique I've read on the subject... Do You Jabez?

"...Dr. Wilkinson encourages folks to pray Jabez's prayer VERBATIM EVERYDAY (p. 11). This is contrary to Jesus' instructions of "when you pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do." Wilkinson seems to be selling Jabez's prayer as a scripturally sanctioned incantation that can guarantee blessings. So, you decide - Who's instructions on prayer are you going to follow: Dr. Bruce Wilkinson's or Jesus'?"

"...To Dr. Wilkinson, the key isn't God's choice to answer Jabez's prayer. To him, the key is that Jabez stumbled upon the RIGHT FORMULA for asking things of God. Wilkinson reverses the cause and effect and declares that Jabez was honorable because he figured out the right way to pray."

"...If any good is to come from the Jabez phenomenon, it will be that people will spend more time in prayer to God. "

"...I'm not concerned that the book has been printed or that people actually believe the things in it. I'm concerned because we're seeing the camel's nose of what I perceive as heretical beliefs poking into the tents of formerly sound mainline denominations and independent churches. Dr. Dobson's endorsement has caused the book to literally fly of the shelves and I think he has given creditability to what would have previously been denounced as a prosperity gospel or "name-it and claim-it" theology. For me though, the real tragedy of Bruce Wilkinson's book will be in the carnage created as desperate souls follow his advice and pray Jabez's prayer for a month and see no change or things getting worse around them.

The book has no discussion of what to do when the prayer seems to fail (and a child dies, a marriage fails, a job is lost or healing does not come, etc.). Many of them will turn to themselves seeking the reason. Wilkinson seems to have guaranteed that the prayer will work and the implication must be that a failed prayer means failed faith or something else wrong with the individual in question. They will hurt and they will feel alone and like spiritual failures, unable to confess what they're going through to a church that has embraced The Prayer Of Jabez. Many who fail to see the promised results will turn from God thinking that Christianity is a sham. They will question God's existence or His faithfulness because, in my opinion, the book teaches a shallow 'results-oriented' faith that is supposed to guarantee success as a opposed to a deep, abiding, loving relationship with our Father that will sustain us through heartaches, failure and success. So that there will be people there to pick up the pieces, please pray that God will use you when the time comes."

"...I would like to close by asking Dr. Wilkinson and his followers a few questions: Would the Apostle Paul have been beheaded if he had prayed Jabez's prayer? Would the Apostle Peter have been crucified upside down if he had Jabezed? And would John the Beloved have been exiled to the Isle of Patmos if he had possessed his very own copy of The Prayer Of Jabez?"

5 posted on 10/29/2001 7:16:21 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Aquinasfan
I'm curious how reciting this rote prayer to "activate" certain heavenly blessings, is any different from the same sort of thing practiced in certain pagan religions, like Santeria.

They, too, think you can recite certain formulaic prayers, to bring the favor of the "saints" that they have synthesized from both west African mythology and Roman Catholicism.

6 posted on 10/29/2001 7:17:54 AM PST by Illbay
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To: spycatcher
That's a good article, spycatcher. The fact is I don't see how muttering the words of a prayer by rote--a prayer that is after all merely an English translation of Hebrew, I believe--is going to "bring down the blessings on your head," unless you believe in magic.

The fact is that we have to put some work into it. The Lord does not make any distinction about the order of words in personal prayer. "The Lord looks on the heart."

7 posted on 10/29/2001 7:23:38 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
I read it in the latest Spiritual Counterfeits Project newsletter and luckily found a Googled cache of it elsewhere on the web.
8 posted on 10/29/2001 7:30:14 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Aquinasfan
“Oh, that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil, that I may not cause pain!”

It's sort of interesting that the last clause is translated so only in the New King James Version* and that in his book he doesn't discuss it at all. Still, I don't see anything wrong with praying that G-d will increase our territory. Of course, I'm thinking of territory as that which lies within my control. There are all sorts of areas in my life that I'd like to have more fully under my control: disciplined use of my time and abilities, restraining myself from a tendency to despair when things get tough, doing what has to be done regardless of how I feel, etc..

*It doesn't matter how much one paraphrases it, the Textus Receptus is still an inferior instrument being derived from later and more corrupt manuscripts (even though the beauty of the English in the KJV is fantastically wonderful--though dated and, hence, to that degree unintelligible). People have known this for over 400 years. By the way, the name "textus receptus" got its start as an advertising blurb for a particular edition translated from a certain set of manuscripts. It stuck and conferred upon these documents an authority they didn't at all deserve.
9 posted on 10/29/2001 7:43:16 AM PST by aruanan
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To: pubmom
I have a friend that has come back to the Lord as a result of this book.

Glad to hear it.

10 posted on 10/29/2001 7:43:39 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Matthew 8:20
Jesus replied, "Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

Luke 20
You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"
21 "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24 Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!
25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 9 23
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

The problem I have with praying for wealth and riches are these teachings of my Lord Jesus, who didn't even have a place to lay his head on this earth. What makes me or anyone else better than The Son of God, Himself? Taking up my cross and denying myself just doesn't sound like rolling in the lap of luxury to me.

11 posted on 10/29/2001 7:55:56 AM PST by Walkin Man
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To: Aquinasfan
When hearing of all the wonderful blessings people are receiving I wonder this ....

Could it be that these blessings were happening in these peoples' lives all along and there were not aware of them because they were not 'praying for a blessing' specifically in their minds?

Could it be that since they began to pray a prayer that they have become more cognizant of the blessings that were already in their lives but did not take the time be be aware of them?

I am the grateful recipient of blessings daily. From just waking in the morning full of grateful thoughts to my spouse being blessed with a bonus at work.

They are all blessings from the Lord.

Perhaps, we all need to encounter life with gratitude to recognize our blessings, the blessings that were already there and those to come.

12 posted on 10/29/2001 7:59:44 AM PST by zeaal
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To: Aquinasfan; CCWoody; the_doc; Uriel1975; RnMomof7
I much prefer this commentary of the "Prayer of Jabez" to that of Wilkinson:

The Prayer of Jabez -C.H. Spurgeon

13 posted on 10/29/2001 8:05:54 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: zeaal
I absolutely agree with you. I am currently in group that is doing the Prayer of Jabez Bible Study. What I have seen is exactly what you have said.

There are many Christians who go through life with their heads down. They don't look up to see God's hand in all they do. I believe this prayer was so important to Jabez because of his birth. What is sad to me is that this book is so enlightening to so many Christians. I mean, how can so many Christians go throught life not knowing the absolute love of God and his desire to give good gifts? The greatest of which is a relationship with Him in which we fulfill His purpose with our lives through whatever means He sees fit.

14 posted on 10/29/2001 8:14:29 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: Jerry_M
I too felt that Spurgeon took a deeper,and more meaningful look at those obscure verses..

You know Jerry,the depth of God's word never ceases to amaze me

Man can take one verse and meditiate on it for days,no weeks and have God do a mighty work in His life through that one verse...

His Word is sharper than any double edged sword..We always ask,"May God bless the reading of His word".....and He does!

15 posted on 10/29/2001 8:17:59 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M; the_doc; RnMomof7; Uriel1975
We had one of our elders in last week for a sermon. He spoke about the prayer of Jabez: Oh that Thou wouldest bless me indeed and enlarge my borders... from the context of Psalm 127:
Except the LORD build the house, they labor in vain that build it. Except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows; for so He giveth His beloved sleep.

Lo, children are a heritage of the LORD, and the fruit of the womb is His reward.

As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man, so are the children of the youth.

Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them; they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies at the gate.

I enjoyed it very much that he spoke of the blessing as a heritage from God. He talked about his children and his spiritual children. Still, I think I like Spurgeon's better.
16 posted on 10/29/2001 8:19:04 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Jerry_M
Thanks for the Spurgeon link
17 posted on 10/29/2001 8:19:56 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: CCWoody
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them; they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies at the gate.

A quiver holds 7 arrows..this mom of 7 would like to atest to the truth of that Psalm!

18 posted on 10/29/2001 8:28:44 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: spycatcher
A lot of people seem to be reading analyses of Wilkinson's book, rather than the book. The Prayer of Jabez is scarcely longer than the critiques, so I suggest some of you read it.

I read it, and while I don't pray it, I saw no harm in it. The problematical enlarge my territory line, as tought by Wilkinson, does not refer to material possesions and stock portfolios. He meant, rather to pray for the enlargement of one's territory of influence on behalf of God.

It's a pity that rags like The Enquirer portray the book as a "rags-to-riches prayer, but that simply is not the case. Jabez is not the most profound book I've ever read, but I can see where it has value for some.

19 posted on 10/29/2001 8:38:30 AM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: Aquinasfan
Merchandising... thats all it is.

Gotta run, i'll look at this thread later.

20 posted on 10/29/2001 8:42:26 AM PST by jude24
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To: Sans-Culotte
As Daliai Lama says:

"To recite the Medicine Buddha Mantra brings inconceivable merit... If you recite the mantra every day, the buddhas and bodhisattvas will always pay attention to you, and they will guide you. All your negative karmas will be pacified and you will never be born in the three lower realms.... and all your wishes are fulfilled." The audience was instructed to "recite mantras of Medicine Buddha at least three times a day. "Imagine all elements... and perfect balance restored... [to] assure longevity," he added with a reminder to "practice... day and night." He warned his audience not "to visualize the rituals of tantra for purpose of gaining wealth."

as Wilkinson writes,

"You don't reach the next level of blessing and stay there. You begin again -- Lord, bless me indeed! Lord, please enlarge...! And so on. As the cycle repeats itself, you'll find that you are steadily moving into wider spheres of blessing and influence, spiraling ever outward and upward into a larger life for God.... You will know beyond doubt that God has opened heaven's storehouses because you prayed."

"The world of American religion is going through enormous change. It will be increasingly difficult to distinguish Christians and Buddhists." -- University of Chicago sociologist Stephen R. Warner. Buddhism on the Move

Maybe I need to go Walk the Labryinth

Or better yet just let my fingers do the walking Ouija-style!

21 posted on 10/29/2001 9:07:28 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Illbay
see above
22 posted on 10/29/2001 9:09:08 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
I don't know why you addressed that "Walking the Labyrinth" stuff to me, as I said I don't do the Jabez prayer. I also would dispute with Wilkinson the story of Jabez as he interprets it. However, the book makes plain that the enlargement of territory is not about material things, and the passage you quoted does not refer to material things.

As to the constant repetition or chanting of the same prayer-I suppose one would do it in a meditative way so as to not let your mind be distracted during the prayer. This sort of approach (and indeed the Labyrinth thing) are not IMO unlike the ancient practice of Lectio Divina, which also involves meditation in addition to conscious prayer. I don't do Lectio Divina either, but it has been around for centuries and does not represent a new Buddha-izing of Christianity.

I agree that the merchandising of the Jabez thing is rather tasteless, but I cannot think that praying to God to enlarge one's area of influence to bring people to the faith is a bad thing.

23 posted on 10/29/2001 9:33:52 AM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: Aquinasfan
I LOVED THIS BOOK AND SO DID MY HUSBAND. He doesn't read much but this was a short volume and now we both pray the prayer every day. God WANTS to bless us not so we can keep the blessing ourselves but to bless others. He wants to give us supernatural gifts in order to be able to bless others. To enlarge our territory only means to give us more opportunities for ministry. We need to have God's hand upon that ministry and to have the anointing for it. We need his protection against the evil one and not to cause any evil or pain ourselves. It's a wonderful prayer and I buy the book at Walmart's every time I go in as Christmas gifts to my loved ones. I tell folks not to knock it til they've tried it! Great book. Thanks for the post.
24 posted on 10/29/2001 10:00:37 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Sans-Culotte
My reply was to emphasize that although you may not see any harm in it, it may be connected to a harmful undercurrent of modern mysticism that teaches people to use "techniques and technologies" to gain enlightenment and power.

Wilkinson's words about enlarging territory -- "the cycle repeats itself, you'll find that you are steadily moving into wider spheres of blessing and influence, spiraling ever outward and upward" -- made me think of the labryinth. Of course that gave me the creeps. But the labryinth-walkers claim it's harmless also because it's an ancient practice.

To me this seems to be headed back toward ritual and mantras and away from the person and message of Christ. The book could have been written without the ritual and been a great message, but it wouldn't have been as lucrative for the author. Maybe he should have called it "Cotton Candy for the Soul." People love it, and it may not be good for you but it probably won't kill you.

25 posted on 10/29/2001 10:11:27 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Aquinasfan
Parroting a formulaic prayer does no more good than spinning a prayer wheel. It is mechanistic with no thought or feeling behind it.
26 posted on 10/29/2001 10:14:07 AM PST by TexasRepublic
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To: Sans-Culotte
"He meant, rather to pray for the enlargement of one's territory of influence on behalf of God. It's a pity that rags like The Enquirer portray the book as a "rags-to-riches prayer, but that simply is not the case. Jabez is not the most profound book I've ever read, but I can see where it has value for some."

Amen - you said what I was thinking - I read it exactly the same way.

27 posted on 10/29/2001 10:27:06 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: TexasRepublic
Parroting a formulaic prayer does no more good than spinning a prayer wheel.

But you can't assume that that is the case in every case, as the many witnesses here attest. The prayer seems to be yielding good fruit.

And as Sans-Culotte mentioned above, one can use repetitive prayer as a "background" for deeper meditation. Such is the case with the much-maligned Rosary. Repeating the "Hail Mary's" can clear every day worries and distractions from the mind and free one to meditate on Christ's life, death and resurrection.

28 posted on 10/29/2001 11:08:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Marysecretary
God WANTS to bless us not so we can keep the blessing ourselves but to bless others. He wants to give us supernatural gifts in order to be able to bless others. To enlarge our territory only means to give us more opportunities for ministry.

That's a message that some Christians need to hear, particularly those who have suffered a lot. I include myself among those who need to hear this message. Not because I've suffered more than anyone else, but because psychologically I don't easily accept the fact that God wants to bless us.

But I have experienced God's generosity through a CPC that I am involved with. The Lord has rewarded the faithful work and witness of many Christians with a 100-fold increase, year after year.

29 posted on 10/29/2001 11:16:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: spycatcher
I was sent a copy of this book by a charity that I contribute to, so I read it one lunchbreak. It struck me as ultimately purposeless, since he starts with an assertion that he spends the rest of the book undermining and redefining. In the end I didn't know whether to ask for Texas, opportunities to convert the heathen, or for whatever the heck was God's will for my life anyway.
30 posted on 10/29/2001 11:29:37 AM PST by Fifth Business
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To: Fifth Business
Just pray the prayer and believe God wants to bless you supernaturally. Quit trying to figure it all out and take it by faith that He loves you and wants to bless you.
31 posted on 10/29/2001 11:59:58 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Aquinasfan
Okay, now I have time for a more detailed critique.

The objections to books like The Prayer of Jabez center on two main points. One is theological, and the other is moral.

If there is a prayer for the believer to pattern his life around... is it the one found in an obscure text of Old Testament never again quoted? It would seem to me that the Lord's Prayer has much more to recommend itself than Jabez. It's in both Matthew and Luke, and was given expressly as a pattern, unlike Jabez. When the disciples asked Christ to teach them to pray, He did not say, "You know this man Jabez? This is how you should pray." Not at all. He said, "When you pray, say: 'Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven....'" (Luke 11:2) and so on and so forth.

The Prayer of Jabez is sorely lacking in much that the Lord's prayer communicates. The Lord's Prayer begins with worship ("Hallowed be thy name") and a proper understanding of God as Sovreign, and by extension, our relationship to Him as dependent servants ("thy kingdom come, thy will be done...."). Only then does the Lord's prayer make a request for even the basic necessities of life (daily bread), but not without acknowleging our unworthiness and asking for forgiveness.

I challange you to find anywhere near that amount in the Prayer of Jabez. The best anyone has come up with was that he prayed for an enlarged ministry, which is dubious to me, at best. All I can see is that the man prayed for more land, and that he wouldn't "cause pain."

And as for the reciting it every day bit... that seems to me "vain reptition," which is derided in the Sermon the Mount.

Then there's the question of all the merchandising going on in the name of Jabez... tshirts... cd's... keychains... bumper stickers... coffee cups. What's next? Jabez:the Lunchbox? Jabez: The Breakfast Cereal?

32 posted on 10/29/2001 12:43:40 PM PST by jude24
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To: spycatcher
Bodhisattva, would you take me by the hand
Bodhisattva, would you take me by the hand
Can you show me the shine in your Japan
The sparkle of your China, can you show me
Bodhisattva

Bodhisattva, I'm gonna sell my house in town
Bodhisattva, I'm gonna sell my house in town
And I'll be there, I'll shine in your Japan
I'll sparkle in your China, yes I'll be there
Bodhisattva, Bodhisattva

{Repeat both}

Bodhisattva, Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva, Bodhisattva
Bodhisattva, Bodhisattva
Look out

-- Steely Dan, Bodhisattva, from "Countdown to Ecstasy" (1973)

33 posted on 10/29/2001 2:34:03 PM PST by Illbay
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To: jude24
Good post. I just realized why these pop-ministers are all falling over themselves to endorse "The Magic Prayer." Since he prayed for an enlarged ministry and that he wouldn't "cause pain" it's just what they all want -- a giant church or book deal for bragging rights with all the other ministers, and to avoid preaching a message that might cause pain in anyone's conscience.

We would be better off saying a prayer of deep repentance and death to self each and every day.

34 posted on 10/29/2001 3:02:48 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: anniegetyourgun
Maybe the christians in the Sudan, Nigeria, Pakistan, and in Palestine who are being murdered by Muslims can use the Prayer of Jabez! Maybe God will "enlarge" their territory. Someone should take this book over there, I'm sure they'll "sell" like hotcakes.
35 posted on 10/30/2001 1:31:00 AM PST by Gotterdammerung
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To: Gotterdammerung
The best "prayer" for Christians in those lands is the one that is chanted to the staccatto popping of an AR-15 or AK-47, as they mow down the bloody-eyed Muslim attackers.

Christ and God never were solely about meek and mild repentance.

36 posted on 10/30/2001 1:53:17 AM PST by Thumper1960
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To: jude24
All valid criticisms. I don't think this prayer should be central to anyone's prayer life. OTOH, if it gets someone to dust of their Bible or returns someone to their faith, I'm in favor of it.
37 posted on 10/30/2001 6:18:41 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Illbay
I love that tune! Unfortunately, like most Steely Dan songs, I don't know what the hell their talking about.
38 posted on 10/30/2001 6:20:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
I think that it is easier to enjoy the songs if you don't think about the MEANING of the lyrics--though they are often fraught with meaning--and just think of them like Gertrude Stein poetry: The words as music.

Steely Dan is incomparable.

39 posted on 10/30/2001 6:37:24 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
and just think of them like Gertrude Stein poetry: The words as music.

That's the way I've felt about a lot of their songs. But I haven't been able to figure out if I really believe it or if I'm just making excuses for nonsense lyrics. I think I agree with you though.

Take, "A Day in the Life" by the Beatles. To me, the lyrics are just pretentious nonsense. But there is something "there" in Steely Dan tunes like "Do it Again," "Black Friday," "Aja," and many others. It's poetry.

Steely Dan stands the test of time very well.

40 posted on 10/30/2001 7:01:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Agreed, Dan is ageless. It is not "seventies music" as some try to portray it. It is proto-Acid Jazz, it is poetry, it is Big Band, it's fully clever in all respects.

I'm listening to "Pretzel Logic" right now, and it's as fresh today as it was back when I was a high schooler. Can't say that about too many bands that have come and gone (and come again).

41 posted on 10/30/2001 7:19:20 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Aquinasfan
The only testimony I have about "The Prayer of Jabez" is my own. Back in late August, of this year, I bought the book and began to pray the "Prayer of Jabez." The very first day God, quite literally, enlarged my territory! It was definitely cool and an encouragement to continue praying this specific prayer - along with other prayers said in my day. There is a point, I think, being missed here - Wilkinson advocates that this prayer enlarges one's territory for the "Glory of God" not man. Is it not a testimony unto God's greatness that those who worship Him are blessed? Especially in a way that "non-believers" can visibly see? Many Blessings, Lightworker
42 posted on 10/30/2001 5:52:07 PM PST by Lightworker
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To: Aquinasfan
LET US JOIN TOGETHER IN PRAYER EVERY DAY AT NOON* LET US DEMONSTRATE OUR FAITH IN GOD'S WILL DAILY BY PRAYING THE LORD'S PRAYER EVERY DAY AT NOON* Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallow by thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, On earth As it is in heaven. Give us this day, Our daily bread And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those that trespass against us And lead us not into temptation But deliver us from evil For Yours is the kingdom, The power And the glory forever. Amen Please think about the words we are saying and what they really mean. *Noon -- is the time where ever you are -- what ever time zone. We are starting a Prayer Wave! Please pass this to everyone you can think of -- and commit to sending this prayer out every week for one month and let's watch God work!
43 posted on 10/30/2001 5:55:08 PM PST by Lightworker
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To: zeaal
You expressed my thoughts beautifully.
44 posted on 10/30/2001 6:10:23 PM PST by resistance
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To: Lightworker
Hey, newbie. Your posts are very nice.

But you're still a newbie : - )

But seriously, welcome to Free Republic!

Here's a link to one of my favorite posts: Proud Night to be a Father

45 posted on 10/30/2001 7:16:12 PM PST by WillaJohns
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To: Lightworker
The very first day God, quite literally, enlarged my territory!

Bump!

46 posted on 10/31/2001 5:50:06 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Fascinating thread.I kinda like the book. Of course, its not as deep as Spurgeon, but for the post modern world you have to reach people where they are, and I feel if this book can begin some peoples faith journey, so be it.God uses many venues to reach people and He can even use a best seller.Come to think about it, his BIG BOOK has been a best seller for centuries.
47 posted on 10/31/2001 6:33:55 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Aquinasfan
I think the critics of this book are misunderstanding it. No, its not about trying to get money or material things out of God, or what we want. At least that's not what its supposed to be about.

The requests in Jabez's prayer are asked in accordance to God's will. About the second one - "enlarge my territory".... IMO, what the author tried to get across was that it means asking God to use you to further His Kingdom. To reach other people and "live large" for God.

The other criticism I keep hearing is that the author teaches to recite this prayer by rote, like a chant, and not a heartfelt prayer. Of course this is what pagans do, and it goes against what Jesus said about how to pray. I can't speak for the author, but I don't think that is what he meant. He just stated that he prays the Jabez prayer everyday, and that he has been incredibly blessed in his life.

I liked the book, and despite the controversy, I think its bringing a lot of people to God.... the fact that a Christian book is on top of the best sellers list is a great thing, don't you think?

48 posted on 01/03/2002 12:12:59 AM PST by incindiary
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To: spycatcher
Went to the site (Problems With the Prayer of Jabez --Berit Kjos) and read the put down and then searched for other writings on site. This site has no problem of telling you to pray daily to put on the armor of God from Eph. I have been praying Jabez's prayer using it as an outline and adding to as the Lord leads. I have a feeling that many who do pray this prayer are doing the same. IMHO.
49 posted on 01/03/2002 1:02:12 AM PST by kansas_goat_roper
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To: kansas_goat_roper
Paul's New Testament letter to the church at Ephesus was inspired as a directive on strengthening the very core of Christianity: Love first of all, truth, righteousness, peace, faith, salvation, and the Holy Spirit/God's Word. These are the bedrock of the Christian faith, and as Jesus showed before Paul we are in a spiritual battle not one of flesh and blood.

On the other hand, Jabez' prayer for God to bless him is just that. But through the miracle of book deals and modern marketing it is now the way, the truth, and the life for many people. That's unfortunate. God could have chosen to answer Jabez no matter what he prayed, even if he was misguided in his prayer. And he may have been misguided, or else specifically guided by his spirit for that time in his personal life. And God can answer the many sincere but misguided "Jabez prayers" today as well, even if they aren't what God would want for a person at the time.

That's why it's best to be guided by the spirit in every situation we face. In prayer, follow the outline of commands to Christians in the New Testament and go from there. But Jabez' prayer was never before and shouldn't now be elevated to the pattern given to the Church by Jesus or a Pauline Epistle, just because Bruce Wilkinson wants to rake in the cash with a new fad.

50 posted on 01/03/2002 8:02:54 AM PST by spycatcher
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