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Primeval Giant Among Giants (African Scientist find skull of 18,000 pound Dinosaur eating Crocodile)
International Herald Tribune and The Journal 'Science' ^ | October 27, 2001 | Guy Gugliotta

Posted on 10/29/2001 11:47:01 AM PST by umbra

The crocodile was a silent stalker, as long as a school bus and weighing almost 18,000 pounds. It cruised the primordial rivers of what is now Saharan Africa, looking for unwary dinosaurs to eat.

"It was absolutely enormous, said a University of Chicago paleontologist, Paul Sereno, of the 8,165 kilogram creature. "There is nothing that would be able to handle that animal. It's like a torpedo of muscle five feet in diameter. (with body armour) The skull of the world's largest living crocdile looks like an hors d'oeuvre by comparison." In an age of giants 110 million years ago Sarcosuchus imperator was a top-of-the-food chain predator with four foot jaws that could gobble fish 12 feet (4 meters) long. The ancient crocodile was probably able to scoot ashore to bring down dinosaurs weighing tons.

Reporting on the website of the journal Science, the team of paleontologists led by Mr. Serno for the first time described the habits of this beast, whose remains were found in Central Africa's bone-dry Tenere desert in an area of Niger called Gadoufaoua-"the place where camels fear to tread in the Tuareg language.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; crocodile; dinosaur; dinosaurs; gadoufaoua; godsgravesglyphs; niger; paleontology; teneredesert
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This makes the movie 'Lake Placid' realistic then?
1 posted on 10/29/2001 11:47:02 AM PST by umbra
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To: umbra
You've got to wonder why so invincible an animal is now extinct. Did he run out things big enough to eat? Were the compact models more adaptable?
2 posted on 10/29/2001 11:49:55 AM PST by wretchard
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To: umbra
...and when the team broke ground on the remains, they heard this:

"...tick...tick...tick...tick...tick...."

3 posted on 10/29/2001 11:50:53 AM PST by RichInOC
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To: wretchard
No...what happened is the croc' ran into my mother-in-law. The rest is history.
4 posted on 10/29/2001 11:52:40 AM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: umbra
Ah, A pair of crocodile low-heel pumps for hitlery.
5 posted on 10/29/2001 11:54:25 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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To: umbra
Kriky, mate!
6 posted on 10/29/2001 11:54:47 AM PST by TADSLOS
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To: umbra
The crocodile was a silent stalker, as long as a school bus and weighing almost 18,000 pounds.

That thing would have had to displace over two thousand gallons of water to float. Is that reasonable for something as small as a school bus? Something sounds fishy here (no pun intended).

I suppose it could have depended upon power to get to the surface and been unable to float. I don't know anything about the math to calculate what kinds of forces would be required. It probably wouldn't be silent.

Shalom.

7 posted on 10/29/2001 11:56:29 AM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
The article says they had found another croc comparable in size in North America.
8 posted on 10/29/2001 12:07:28 PM PST by umbra
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To: wretchard
My guess is that the dinos went down after a big asteriod and with it so did the croc food source.

Sounds like this dude could eat anything..how do you defend against a school bus size croc with body armor, five foot jaws and a natural advantage momentum wise- being so low to the groud.

9 posted on 10/29/2001 12:10:06 PM PST by umbra
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To: TADSLOS
Send out the croc hunter and a couple of buddies for this one!
10 posted on 10/29/2001 12:12:06 PM PST by umbra
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To: Inge_CAV
I just knew the Hillary reference was coming.
11 posted on 10/29/2001 12:12:43 PM PST by umbra
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To: umbra
Wow! No Crock?
12 posted on 10/29/2001 12:12:47 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: umbra
Time for tactical nukes, eh? :-)
13 posted on 10/29/2001 12:13:17 PM PST by Coolidge75
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To: Coolidge75
Send a few of these babies at Osama!
14 posted on 10/29/2001 12:14:25 PM PST by umbra
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To: TADSLOS
"Kriky?"

"Mate?"

Aussie?

Eh?

Avagoodweekend,Mate -- [Don'tforgettheaeroguard!]

15 posted on 10/29/2001 12:15:35 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: umbra
Son of a gun !! The original Hildebeastus Primordialus !! Wonder if the critter wore a black pantsuit ???????
16 posted on 10/29/2001 12:19:50 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: umbra
weighing almost 18,000 pounds.......five feet in diameter.......... four foot jaws

Calculating the approximate surface area results in a creature with an approximate yield of 2,500 pairs of 'gator boots or 5,000 regular pair of shoes.

Good argument for cloning.

17 posted on 10/29/2001 12:24:15 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Brian Allen
He was Gee-eye-ANT and a REaul BEE-oooh-tee. Luv to clone his DNA so I could wrastle wit um mate. Would realee bring me rating's up yaknow! The Missus wud luv it. Luv those killa beasts don't you sweet!
18 posted on 10/29/2001 12:27:52 PM PST by Chuck N
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To: genefromjersey
Ahh you mean Hildebeast Imperatour, she lures the Democratic prey to the waterline and sucks them into the water never to be found again..kind of like Vince Foster, Lani Guinear, White House Travel office and Webb Hubbell.
19 posted on 10/29/2001 12:29:50 PM PST by umbra
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To: Cyber Liberty
No it was my mudda-in-law
20 posted on 10/29/2001 12:35:06 PM PST by STD
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To: umbra

21 posted on 10/29/2001 12:36:19 PM PST by Liberal Classic
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To: Liberal Classic
Who wins that battle the super T-Rex from Jurassic Park series or Hildebeast Imperatour? (built like a school bus low to the ground with monstrous scales-just like Hillary!)
22 posted on 10/29/2001 12:39:44 PM PST by umbra
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To: umbra
The article says they had found another croc comparable in size in North America

I still would like to see the mathematical model where something that weighs over nine tons and is only as large as a school bus can swim. Maybe the water was several times more dense then than it is now. But even then, let's give the sucker a foot that spans twenty square feet of surface area. Four feet means 80 square feet. That means the beast exerted 32,400 psi just when walking. Is there any swamp that can hold up under such pressures? Or did the croc have huge footprints?

Note, it could be possible, but I'd like to see some real math.

23 posted on 10/29/2001 12:44:43 PM PST by ArGee
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To: ArGee
The croc must have been hanging out near the Gulf of Mexico.
24 posted on 10/29/2001 12:49:34 PM PST by umbra
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To: ArGee
Note, it could be possible, but I'd like to see some real math.

42.

25 posted on 10/29/2001 12:50:11 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: ArGee
Remember, This was millions of years ago. There was alot more water back then. It probably hid underwater and wated for a traveling herd of sauropods and snatched a young one as the crossed.
26 posted on 10/29/2001 1:12:17 PM PST by baseballfanjm
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To: ArGee
Okay:

The article says it weighs 18,000 lbs. 1 gallon of water weighs 7.49 lbs. So it would have neutral bouyancy if it occupied 2,043 gallons, or 288 cubic feet. So, if it were 30 feet long, it would have an average diameter of 3.49 feet.

Big, but not THAT big...

27 posted on 10/29/2001 1:17:18 PM PST by lafroste
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To: RichInOC
"Mr. Smee, blast the slumgullions and that boy PAN!!!"


28 posted on 10/29/2001 1:35:58 PM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Now that is one big Gator!
29 posted on 10/29/2001 2:14:34 PM PST by umbra
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To: baseballfanjm
Good point the big croc wouldn't have picked a fight with a T-Rex unless it was absolutely necessary, and then could just sink back into the water.
30 posted on 10/29/2001 2:16:10 PM PST by umbra
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To: Jonah Hex
See the Peter Pan thread on FR, it is not to be believed.
31 posted on 10/29/2001 2:17:54 PM PST by umbra
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To: lafroste
Big enough to bring down a T-Rex?
32 posted on 10/29/2001 2:19:10 PM PST by umbra
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To: rightofrush
Throw another Croc Hunter on the Barbie!
33 posted on 10/29/2001 2:23:15 PM PST by umbra
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To: umbra
the place where camels fear to tread

I don't blame them!

34 posted on 10/29/2001 2:24:58 PM PST by StriperSniper
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To: wretchard
You've got to wonder why so invincible an animal is now extinct. Did he run out things big enough to eat? Were the compact models more adaptable?

My uneducated guess is that they fell victim to changing weather patterns which interrupted their ability to reproduce. Modern crocs are pretty dependent upon just the right temperature for reproduction.

35 posted on 10/29/2001 2:32:04 PM PST by Jolly Rodgers
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To: StriperSniper
Camel-eating crocadiles? CRIKEY!!
36 posted on 10/29/2001 2:32:09 PM PST by Clioman
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To: StriperSniper
Now that would be a reality show I would watch -a croc hunter doing battle with an 18,000 pound mega beast.
37 posted on 10/29/2001 2:33:43 PM PST by umbra
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To: umbra
makes JAWS seem kinda insignificant doesn't it?Boy, and this summers shark problem would be small in comparrison to this dude crusing the sands off of Florida!
38 posted on 10/29/2001 2:41:34 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: umbra
Umbra-you got it right !
39 posted on 10/29/2001 3:32:16 PM PST by genefromjersey
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Yes, a Croc' hunter show called - "REVENGE OF THE CROCODILES.

Real math?

Okay, it weighs 18,000 lbs. The density of regular water (not salt) is 62.4 lb/ft3. So the volume of the beast to be able to float in regular water must be 288.4 cubic feet.

They said its mouth was 4 foot in diameter. So lets assume a simple cylindrical shape, 4 foot in diameter. The cross sectional area of this shape is 12.5 square feet (=PI/4*Diameter^2).

That means the beasty would only have to be 23 feet long to be able to float in fresh water.

More to the point? How many croc hunters could it eat in one bite.

40 posted on 10/29/2001 3:46:05 PM PST by nm_james
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To: nm_james
CROC HUNTER TWO:

Okay, now who posted that claim of 32,400 psi just when walking?... Lets correct this simple math error.

The beast weighs 18,000 lbs.

Let us give it four feet, and each foot is one square foot in size !

Y'all with me so far? This assumed feet size is much smaller than the other posters claim.

Now, PSI is pounds force per square inch. So we have to convert this foot size over to square inches. So multiply it by 12 twice.

So each foot is 144 square inches.

So the Pressure exerted if the beastie stood on one of these 144 in2 feet would be only 125 PSI. Thats 18,000 lbs / 144 in2.

And the beastie is normaly on two feet, so that would reduce its pressure to 62 PSI.

By way of comparison, a man weighing 200 lbs with a 12" by 4" wide foot. The area of the foot is 48 in2. So if he is standing on one foot, then he would be exerting 4.1 PSI.

Now, to exert the same force as a man on the ground, this beastie would have to have a foot that is 4,320 square inches. Basically, the foot would need to be five and a half feet by five and a half feet. (or 30 square feet)

41 posted on 10/29/2001 3:59:56 PM PST by nm_james
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Ok James. Assume you were a croc hunter. What real life rifle would you pack to meet this dude. Stopping this critter is pretty close to going up against a T-Rex.
42 posted on 10/29/2001 4:46:55 PM PST by wretchard
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To: Coolidge75
Seriously, what kind of rifle would a croc hunter pack to take down this dude?
43 posted on 10/29/2001 4:48:01 PM PST by wretchard
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To: wretchard; *bang_list
What real life rifle would you pack to meet this dude. Stopping this critter is pretty close to going up against a T-Rex.

Anti-tank weapons might do it. Even the mighty .50 BMG seems light for something like this.

44 posted on 10/29/2001 4:52:41 PM PST by LibKill
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To: wretchard
OICW Found Here
45 posted on 10/29/2001 4:58:18 PM PST by HP8753
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To: HP8753
The OICW fires a 20 mm explosive ro und. This would probably kill even this croc.

How would the old BAR fare against this monster crocodile?
46 posted on 10/29/2001 5:01:43 PM PST by wretchard
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To: umbra
"The skull of the world's largest living crocdile looks like an hors d'oeuvre by comparison."

Yep.........that's 'bout right. Yeeesh.................

47 posted on 10/29/2001 5:07:02 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
Begone, italians........
48 posted on 10/29/2001 5:07:55 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: nm_james
With ground pressure like that, this croc would not be able to scramble up a muddy river bank very well. Maybe sand and shale, but not mud. This would limit its ability to hunt by lying in ambush for animal to come near a water source. But if the prey animals came to a shallow, sloping pool, this croc (given it's size) could never sneak up on it. Nor could it catch the prey if the animal scrambled up the bank.

Maybe this animal went extinct due to mobility problems.
49 posted on 10/29/2001 5:08:49 PM PST by wretchard
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To: RightOnline
Why am I suddenly reminded of my last girl friend,the redhead?
50 posted on 10/29/2001 5:11:55 PM PST by tet68
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