Posted on 10/31/2001 8:11:42 AM PST by AnalogReigns
Now there's an oxymoron. "Evangelical" means 'carrying the good news to those in need.' as in "evangelism". Where's the "good news" in "so sorry, I'm telling you this story, but you're not included. [It's only us.] Have a happy eternity in Hell."
Of course we think there are no non-Calvinists in heaven.
I think this statement even tops the one (by one of your co-religionists on a FR thread a month or two ago) that "Christ was a Calvinist."
I suppose it would be too much to ask you to find that verse in the Bible. [You know, "Thus saith the Lord, 'There are no non-Calvinists in Heaven.'") Nah, forget it. A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Yes.
Council of Orange Canons (529 A.D.)
CANON 6. If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, "What have you that you did not receive?" (1 Cor. 4:7), and, "But by the grace of God I am what I am" (1 Cor. 15:10).
CANON 7. If anyone affirms that we can form any right opinion or make any right choice which relates to the salvation of eternal life, as is expedient for us, or that we can be saved, that is, assent to the preaching of the gospel through our natural powers without the illumination and inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who makes all men gladly assent to and believe in the truth, he is led astray by a heretical spirit, and does not understand the voice of God who says in the Gospel, "For apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5), and the word of the Apostle, "Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God" (2 Cor. 3:5).
Calvinists are very evangelical because the way God saves his elect is through the spreading of the Gospel. If you do not spread the truth, nobody can be saved.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him sould not perish, but have everlasting life. - John 3:16
If you are right, then John 3:16 is a lie.
I beg to differ. You say that "babies have no idea who God is" because you base it on your concept of knowledge. Do you agree that the only way that you or I "know" God is by His grace and not of our own doing? Assuming that you do agree, can you still argue that a baby is incapable of receiving the same? It is a mistake to determine what can and can't be based on limited human understanding. It is perfectly natural for a believer to realize that baptism of an infant is as valid as any other baptism. It is God's baptism and is not restricted by any rules or arbitrary ages we decide upon.
No jumpsuit needed. But neither do I need a trusty "outline" or an understanding of the "mechanism". If it were needful, Christ would have told us.
I don't need Calvin's "mechanism" or his "outline" any more than I need the 'perpetual virginity of Mary' or Mary as a "co-redemptrix" with Christ. I suspect few Calvinists would have any difficulty seeing the danger of that little 'addition' to the Gospel.
Why is it that they cannot see that saying "there are no non-Calvinists in Heaven" displaces the Gospel of Christ with the 'gospel of Calvin'?
I NEED Jesus Christ. That's all.
Oops. So much for the penitent thief.
AMEN !!!! (Thanks for the ping).
And that's why Christ did it. Oops, no He didn't did He? [John 4:2] So let me get this straight: the Lord Jesus Christ, in the process of conveying the Gospel to us, failed, neglected and refused to do something that was "essential" but you have discovered and intuited it and you will help us out?
You won't be offended will you if I just stick with Jesus?
Absolutely !!!!!
There is no evidence of infant baptism in scripture. Scripture says "REPENT and be baptised" an infant can not repent.
To believe that sprinkling water on an unknowing ,uncooperative infant is of any spiritual effect to that infant is superstition and nothing more.
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