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How many jumped from the WTC towers?

Posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:12 PM PST by ErnBatavia

The media has seemed to suppress this (how many poor souls that felt compelled to jump from the burning towers) for whatever reason.

I, for one, would like to be armed with some sort of number who leaped to their certain deaths. I have a feeling, due to the "Vietnamization" taking place now, that this tidbit of data might come in handy.......right about the time some clown gets my '5 across the lips'.

Anybody have an idea as to the numbers involved here? Thanks in advance.


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1 posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:12 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: ErnBatavia
It would be really hard to find a hard number but I've spoken to several eye witnesses who have said the ground was littered with bodies.
2 posted on 10/31/2001 3:20:30 PM PST by jbemis
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To: ErnBatavia
I think it was about a dozen. They also seem to want to suppress that gruesome picture of all those poor souls sticking their heads out of the windows. People also made it to the roof and were awaiting helicopter evacuation. Poor people!!! Also, exactly how many children were killed. There had to be day care centers in the WTC, right, or children in the restaurant? For victory & freedom!!!
3 posted on 10/31/2001 3:20:59 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: ErnBatavia
I have no idea how many poor souls jumped.

Our PC media is covering this up as frantically as they are covering up the photos of the dead bodies.

4 posted on 10/31/2001 3:24:15 PM PST by bulldog905
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To: Saundra Duffy
I'm sure it was far more than a dozen, just consider everyone on the floors above the plane's impact had no way down, and those pictures are only of one small section of a building, how many more were on other sides on how many floors?

I also understand that many were pulled out of those windows when the windows broke, so not all of them jumped. I know that if there were pictures of dead bodies from our bombs there would be no hesitation on the part of most of the news media to show them.

5 posted on 10/31/2001 3:25:56 PM PST by Mahone
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To: Saundra Duffy
I've heard (and I pray that it's true) that the child care centers were located on the lower floors, and were the first to be evacuated.
6 posted on 10/31/2001 3:26:43 PM PST by Jaxter
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To: ErnBatavia
my guess is that there were over 20 ... I watched at least three or four and I know they were jumping for some time (20-30 mins) there.
7 posted on 10/31/2001 3:26:55 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: Mahone
you got that right!

SR

8 posted on 10/31/2001 3:29:22 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: Steven W.
The number I heard was around 30. And a lot of suitcases, also.
9 posted on 10/31/2001 3:29:40 PM PST by SheLion
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To: Saundra Duffy
I' ve never heard of there being a day care center in the Twin Towers. Only the federal government (see Murrah Building in Oklahoma City) does stuff like that. I think most of the children killed were passengers on the planes. Thank God it wasn't "Take Your Daughter To Work" day.
10 posted on 10/31/2001 3:30:07 PM PST by longleaf
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To: Saundra Duffy
I thought it odd, that I've heard no mention whatsoever of children. Guess I should know better by now.
11 posted on 10/31/2001 3:30:28 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Saundra Duffy
eople also made it to the roof and were awaiting helicopter evacuation

Are you sure about this? The reports Ive heard was that the door to the roof was locked to prevent suicides and such. It was also thought, after the 93 bombing, that a roof evacuation would be impractical.

12 posted on 10/31/2001 3:30:32 PM PST by Tatze
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To: Mahone
I specifically asked this question to a research associate at work. It took her most of the day, but the next day she told me that OVER 175 people jumped. There is no "official" figures because the ruins make this very difficult. Apparently this figure was derived from a ground count prior to any building collapse, and film recordings. I am told that the margin of error is +/- 25 people which is a very large margin of error.
13 posted on 10/31/2001 3:30:45 PM PST by vannrox
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To: ErnBatavia
The horrific attack is quite horrible enough without obsessing on the gruesome and truly gut-wrenching way in which some of ours died.
14 posted on 10/31/2001 3:31:20 PM PST by Osinski
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To: Steven W.
That pic posted here on occasion looked like in just one section there were at least 15 or 20. I think those pics should be kept for when we see the poor victims of our bombs in afghan,,I am losing patience with afghanistan and all our tears for them. They let these people, the taliban, take oveer with hardly a fight. And the men there let their wives become burkaed.
15 posted on 10/31/2001 3:33:13 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: ErnBatavia
I remember hearing this once, and ony once, since that fateful day. The beloved police/fire chaplain that was killed in the towers was hit by a jumper. Has anyone else heard that?
16 posted on 10/31/2001 3:34:40 PM PST by WIladyconservative
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To: cajungirl
I'm just curious but how many of you saw a report of a Lt. General being killed in the Pentagon attack?
17 posted on 10/31/2001 3:35:11 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: bulldog905
... I have no idea how many poor souls jumped out of the WTC. Our PC media is covering this up as frantically as they are covering up the photos of the dead bodies.

Yes, the media would rather show films of Taliban civilians than dead Americans. The media loves to give aid and comfort to the enemy.

These lice make me sick.
18 posted on 10/31/2001 3:35:15 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Saundra Duffy
"People also made it to the roof and were awaiting helicopter evacuation. "

NOT TRUE!!!!!!

"Greg Semendinger, the first chopper pilot on the scene, says, "There was nobody on the roof.""

from this thread - where this was discussed at length: Could Helicopters Have Saved People From the Top of the Trade Center?

19 posted on 10/31/2001 3:35:43 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: monkeywrench
Only one picture that I saw (the one that gets posted around here alot) with those poor souls hanging out the windows, one window looks as if it is a woman holding a small child or very precious package.
20 posted on 10/31/2001 3:36:20 PM PST by fone
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To: Tatze
Correction: The roof door on one tower was locked. But apparently the other door was breached and over 20 people were on that roof. They had made a number of 911 calls and police helos were trying to figure out how to rescue them when the building collapsed. The 911 reports are very telling. One tower had reports of over 700 people trapped above the wreckage.
21 posted on 10/31/2001 3:36:34 PM PST by vannrox
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To: WIladyconservative
Yes, the chaplain was the first rescuer casualty that day. He was performing last rites for a WTC victim when a jumper landed on him. If I remember correctly, his death certificate is number 1 for this horrible event.
22 posted on 10/31/2001 3:37:07 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: ErnBatavia
If it's any comfort (and it probably isn't) no less an authority than the Pope ruled that jumping from a burning tower was not suicide. I don't have the details but this dates back to the middle ages.
23 posted on 10/31/2001 3:37:31 PM PST by null and void
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To: ErnBatavia
September 12, 2001 New York Daily News, page 10:

"High in the sky, the most horrifying drama of all began to unfold. Trapped by searing smoke and flames, desperate people started to plunge off the top floors of the towers, some flailing as they went. 'They were jumping out of the windows,' said janitor Nancy Joyner. 'They were just jumping and jumping and jumping'. Construction worker Edwin Moore watched in horror as a man tried to shimmy down the outside of the tower. He made it about three floors before flipping backward to the ground."

I remember hearing someone on the news that day saying that they saw a couple of dozen people jump, so I think the real number is probably many more than 20. I have the feeling that we will never know.

24 posted on 10/31/2001 3:38:28 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: ErnBatavia
It doesn't matter. 6,000 Americans paid the ultimate price of freedom on 9/11. The libs in this country are losing ground fast with their "send them hugs not bombs" campaign. W will be a two term Pres.
25 posted on 10/31/2001 3:38:48 PM PST by exnavy
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To: ErnBatavia
I understand concern for the families and the avoidance of over-sensalization.
But I really think the horrific gruesome photos should NOT be covered up by the media.
Everyone needs to know what a terrible thing this truly was.
Everyone needs to see the horror and that this was NOT a Hollywood movie.
You can bet the media will not hesitate to show the world the horror of what our bombing has done
as soon as they can get their cameras in there.
War ain't pretty. People die. Sometimes in horrific unspeakable ways.
Media coverage of Desert Storm gave the sheeple the impression that war was sanitary.
Hollywood makes the sheeple think the gore of "Saving Private Ryan" was just a movie.
Taliban and Al Queda forces are being blown to bits and the media are chomping at the bit to have it on the 6:00 news.
26 posted on 10/31/2001 3:39:54 PM PST by error99
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To: WIladyconservative
The beloved police/fire chaplain that was killed in the towers was hit by a jumper.

Yes, I've heard that from a couple of sources. It's just not PC, so the media wants us to think that he was struck by falling debris.

27 posted on 10/31/2001 3:39:56 PM PST by pbear8
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To: cajungirl
The one picture that still haunts me, that I cannot get out of my head, is the woman holding her baby out the busted window, probably to relieve the child from the intense heat in the building. They are with God now, not Allah, not some imaginary god implanted into the gullible mind of an Arab named Mohammed, with God. Bless them ... and kill the Taliban and the terrorists. No Mercy, send them to Hell, to their allah in hades.
28 posted on 10/31/2001 3:39:58 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Mahone
It had to be way more than a dozen. I've talked to people who worked across the street from the WTC and they said there were bodies of jumpers all over - one was even impaled on a lightpole. Not to mention one hitting the priest. I can't even imagine what had to be going through the minds of the people on the roof of the last WTC building after watching the first collapse. I believe the media should show all photos to keep the outrage alive.
29 posted on 10/31/2001 3:41:02 PM PST by weef
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To: ErnBatavia
My friend was there. She worked in the Verizon bldg., which is right there. She said when the 1st plane hit, she was almost knocked out of her chair. She left the Verizon bldg. and was watching events unfold. She counted 25 jumpers from the one side that she could see.
30 posted on 10/31/2001 3:42:20 PM PST by Collier
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To: WIladyconservative
yes, that is true about Father Michal Judge. He was giving the last rites to someone, when a jumper fell on him.
31 posted on 10/31/2001 3:43:33 PM PST by Collier
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To: ErnBatavia
The fireman who was on Larry King Weekend (this last weekend ... transcript still here) said one every couple of minutes. I'm sure it was dozens. Later I read that if people are in a window and a fire approaches them they almost ALWAYS will opt to jump.
32 posted on 10/31/2001 3:44:02 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Osinski
...The horrific attack is quite horrible enough without obsessing on the gruesome and truly gut-wrenching way in which some of ours died.

Maybe the author was not being "gruesome." Maybe he wanted to know so that he could send a message to the media for them to think about Americans dying versus their constant reporting of the "innocent civilians" being bombed in Afghanistan.

Remember, 5-6,000 Americans DIED on American soil.

Stop whining, wake up, and THINK.
33 posted on 10/31/2001 3:44:21 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: fone
Thanks. I've seen that photo. It's sad that we don't seem to expect truth about anything, anymore.
34 posted on 10/31/2001 3:44:36 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Osinski
The horrific attack is quite horrible enough without obsessing on the gruesome and truly gut-wrenching way in which some of ours died.

He asked for facts. I hardly call that "obsessing."

35 posted on 10/31/2001 3:44:51 PM PST by copycat
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To: weef
I can't even imagine what had to be going through the minds of the people on the roof of the last WTC building after watching the first collapse.

In fact there was a cell phone call from about 40 people trapped on the roof. This about 20 minutes before it collapsed.

36 posted on 10/31/2001 3:45:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: bulldog905
Please explain how the number of people who jumped can be known? Who was counting, and were they positioned all around the building? Who coordinated the counters to come up with a total? If you were there, would you be counting as people jumped, or would you turn away in horror?
37 posted on 10/31/2001 3:46:05 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: error99
I can't remember the photographers name or what talk show he was on, but he took very GRAPHIC non stop pictures of the WTC disaster.

He said he had many photos of people jumping out of the buildings, BUT he felt it was not the time yet to reveal this part of history, as it would be painful to the families to see these graphic final moments of their loved ones lives.

Someday, he will release them.

sw

38 posted on 10/31/2001 3:46:59 PM PST by spectre
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To: weef

Never forget.

39 posted on 10/31/2001 3:47:02 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: BunnySlippers
I made the same point way back when about Waco.
40 posted on 10/31/2001 3:47:25 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: copycat
He asked for facts. I hardly call that "obsessing."

I agree, you are not obsessing. We will NEVER forget!

41 posted on 10/31/2001 3:47:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Tatze
I heard that too. There was a heavy door barring entry to the roof, from what I heard.
42 posted on 10/31/2001 3:48:09 PM PST by Chemnitz
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TO: ALL

They should take those horrific pictures and send them to these anti-war idiots.

Some of them should actually be shown to the American public....it will help keep things in perspective when we hear about innocent victims who are killed in Afghan, Iraq or wherever we have to go.

43 posted on 10/31/2001 3:49:33 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: ErnBatavia
If the average "Joe" or "Jane" on the street knew of the carnage and that they are removing little more than rotten hamburger with bone chips, teeth and powdered concrete that smells like garbage mixed with aviation fuel from the wreckage now, kabul, karachi, islamabad, damascus, tehran, bagdad, rihyad, cairo and mecca would be a smoldering radioactive ruin. They are keeping it under wraps for fear of real retaliation and public backlash.
44 posted on 10/31/2001 3:50:31 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Saundra Duffy; Jaxter; longleaf; monkeywrench
The Newark Star Ledger ran a story 2 Sunday's ago that covered a mother's search for her 2 children in the WTC day care.  Unfortunately I can not dig the link out of their free archive.  It was posted on FR but I can't find it here either despite multiple search engines.

The day care center was located in Building 5.  The teachers scooped up the kids right after the first plane hit and headed out with some of the infants placed in shopping carts.  The two groups were split up but all the children were eventually safe and sound at St. Vincent's Hospital.

45 posted on 10/31/2001 3:51:08 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: ErnBatavia
My son told me that the Spanish language station on our Time-Warner Cable showed the whole situation on 9-11, including the poor souls jumping, etc. while the American stations cut it off. A friend of mine confirmed it-she was flipping throught he TV dials on 9-11-01 and kept it on the Spanish station as they showed the people jumping while the American stations didn't-not that she was gruesome, far from it, but the Spanish station gave a better historical perspective of the horror, and she didn't even speak Spanish. I didn't know until later in the week that the Spanish station showed the people jumping. You might get a total from them.
46 posted on 10/31/2001 3:51:23 PM PST by mootownkck
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To: weef
I think every network should be forced to show all of their footage of the people jumping out of the twin towers and show it every night until this war is over.
47 posted on 10/31/2001 3:51:37 PM PST by kempo
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To: Saundra Duffy
They kept this too sanitized. That is something that the muslim community have been able to exploit to their advantage. Show their pictures and censor ours, and then wonder: how long will it take to show a change on the public opinion?

At least the children in the hospital beds had the chance to survive. That is not so with the thousands that were torn to pieces or burnt into oblivion on the east coast on 9/11.

48 posted on 10/31/2001 3:52:05 PM PST by Minty
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To: Saundra Duffy
People also made it to the roof and were awaiting helicopter evacuation. Poor people!!!

I had heard that no one was on the roof because the access from inside had been blocked so as not to invite jumpers, stunt people etc. I'd heard that there were helicopters looking for people, though they'd had no orders to go in.

I would have thought it would be too hot from the burning fuel going up any elevator shafts, etc.

49 posted on 10/31/2001 3:52:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Collier
I think we need to think about the gruesome details, especially when the talking heads start to weep over the "innocents" we bomb. It is like those films of the holocaust, they were horrible and graphic but the jews have not shrunk from showing their children those so it can never happen again. I don't think we should shrink from it either. Hell, they died, the least we can do is understand, see and feel their horror. It will steel us for what is to come.
50 posted on 10/31/2001 3:52:50 PM PST by cajungirl
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