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How many jumped from the WTC towers?

Posted on 10/31/2001 3:16:12 PM PST by ErnBatavia

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To: Sungirl
similarly, next time you hear about some collateral damage, state, "gee, that's still even far fewer than the number of folks in on just one floor of the WTC that had to jump"
51 posted on 10/31/2001 3:53:19 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: ErnBatavia
I had an e-mail from a friend who watched the entire thing unfold from an office window on Canal Street. I think it was hundreds of people who jumped.
52 posted on 10/31/2001 3:53:34 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: WIladyconservative
Father Mike died of a heart attack while ministering last rites to a firefighter.
53 posted on 10/31/2001 3:53:38 PM PST by mware
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To: Clara Lou
If you were there, would you be counting as people jumped, or would you turn away in horror?

I would be horrified, but I think I would turn away more in shame and utter frustration about not being able to save them! I also feel I would be impinging on their privacy.

55 posted on 10/31/2001 3:54:39 PM PST by bulldog905
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To: spectre
One women was interviewed on tv and she was in a state of shock said she saw lines of people jumping or getting sucked out of the windows, some of them holding hands. The other report that I cannot forget was from the WSJ that described the puffs of red vapor as the people hit the sidewalk or decks at ground level. It doesn't bother me in the least about the dead Afghani's. They started this evil mess.
56 posted on 10/31/2001 3:54:58 PM PST by ar10
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To: Tribune7
What was the declaired missing number at the Pentagon and the "identified" number to date? They give the count for the Towers. How many of the passengers and terrorists were identified? Lots of unpublished figures, it seems.

Did any of the terrorists names ever appear on the Airlines' list of passengers. They weren't on web sites immediatly after 911. How is that possible?

57 posted on 10/31/2001 3:55:04 PM PST by codder too
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To: SpaceBar
add khartoum, sanaa, and mogadishu and you have my list.
Santa Bush is coming to town.
58 posted on 10/31/2001 3:55:12 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Chemnitz
I heard that too. There was a heavy door barring entry to the roof, from what I heard.

CNN printed the transcript from a cellphone call saying that he/she was one of 40 people that had reached the roof (I don't know which tower). The caller asked 911 "tell us how to save our lives". Also, the reason the Cantor Fitzgerald people were not able to reach the roof is that the collision caused debris to block the fire doors into the stairwell to the roof ... that doesn't preclude other higher floors being able to reach the roof.

59 posted on 10/31/2001 3:55:22 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: WIladyconservative
Yes...Michael Judge was killed when one of those jumpers landed on him.
60 posted on 10/31/2001 3:55:24 PM PST by buckster
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To: kempo
I agree...they have no problem showing the dead children in Ashcanistan...they ought to show our suffering even more...NEVER FORGET THE BOMBING OF NY...change public sentiment totally against the scum!
61 posted on 10/31/2001 3:56:10 PM PST by surfer
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To: Osinski
The horrific attack is quite horrible enough without obsessing on the gruesome and truly gut-wrenching way in which some of ours died.

You miss the point of the topic; which has nothing to do with 'obsessing' on how people died on 9/11 but the fact that they did die a in a 'gruesome and gut-wrenching way' and for nothing but the hate-driven whims of twisted minds with 'a cause'.

Now, the liberal media wring hands and are 'obssessing' about possible Afghan civilians that have died while ignoring the horrible and totally unnecessary deaths of all who perished from being burned alive, crushed or jumping to their deaths as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

The big difference is that the Afghans had plenty of warning and a chance to stop the U. S. attacks on their country, but the Taliban refused to turn bin Laden over. The office workers at the WTC and the Pentagon, as well as the plane passengers had no warning - they just died.

Knowing about how many poor souls leapt or fell to their deaths that awful September morning is an excellent comeback to the liberal media complaints we're getting about Afghan civilian deaths. Seeking the number of jumpers from the WTC is not obsessing on tragedy but obtaining cold, hard and unpleasant facts about the manner that our people died to be used to refute those who claim that there is a moral equivalance where there is none.

62 posted on 10/31/2001 3:56:27 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: ErnBatavia
I don't know, but whatever the count it was too damned many.

America must NEVER FORGET!

63 posted on 10/31/2001 3:57:55 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: ErnBatavia
So sad that a thread like this is even needed. Incredible how people can forget such horror, planes full of men, women and children being used as human bombs, crashed into the sides of buildings.

And this comment from this ABC head that said he can not make a value judgement on whether the attack on the pentagon was justified. Folks, our national fabric may not be torn beyond repair, but it sure is frayed.

64 posted on 10/31/2001 3:57:56 PM PST by gogov
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To: ErnBatavia
I have not seen a precise number; however, I did read that a bystander stated that unless one had been there, one could NEVER ever realize what the scene was like in the time shortly before the collapse of the first tower. He said that the entire street had become "a carpet of shoes" from all those who had jumped from the burning infernoes.

I do not have a link for you, but if I run across where I read/heard this vivid depiction of the WTC Atrocity, I'll post it for you.

65 posted on 10/31/2001 3:58:13 PM PST by meridia
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To: WIladyconservative
Yes, I did hear that some people on the ground were killed when they were hit by the jumpers. I recently talked to someone who lost a relative who was hit by a jumper.
66 posted on 10/31/2001 3:58:19 PM PST by Ditter
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To: mware
that is part of the PC history rewrite - you'll also hear liberals say that he was killed by "falling debris"; the truth is, he was killed when the body of a woman who had fallen from the WTC landed on him.
67 posted on 10/31/2001 3:58:31 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: buckster
I spoke with Rabbi Potasnik who is one of the chaplins for the NYC firefighters. He also was part of the memorial service on Sunday. Father Mike died of a heartattack while giving last rites.
68 posted on 10/31/2001 3:59:08 PM PST by mware
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To: ErnBatavia
WTC 9 to paralyzed pal: 'You're coming with us'
69 posted on 10/31/2001 4:02:38 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: longleaf
I heard there was at least two day care centers located in the WTCs.
70 posted on 10/31/2001 4:03:21 PM PST by zeaal
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To: Incorrigible
Thanks. I didn't want to think about the press hiding this from us. I preferred to think that there were no children harmed. But, oh that picture that's been posted on here...haunting.
71 posted on 10/31/2001 4:04:31 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Eaker
Bump for freedom.

Eaker

72 posted on 10/31/2001 4:06:10 PM PST by Eaker
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To: WIladyconservative
Father Mike died of a heart attack while ministering last rites to a firefighter.
53 posted on 10/31/01 7:53 PM Eastern by mware

To: WIladyconservative
Yes...Michael Judge was killed when one of those jumpers landed on him.
60 posted on 10/31/01 7:55 PM Eastern by buckster

So .... which is it???
Or is one the way we want to remember him?
(I don't have a problem with that.)

73 posted on 10/31/2001 4:06:14 PM PST by error99
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To: Sungirl
I agree with you about sending these photos to the peaceniks!. At the peace protest in Austin this past Sunday the no-mind students actually had a sign listing a death of an Afghan child (not doubt killed by the Taliban and the info provided by the Taliban) and I thought to myself that there was not a shred of sorrow, grief or anger on the part of these commies, socialists and brain-dead fools for our innocent victims here on American soil. We need to get graphic and in their faces. These b@st@rds are NOT going away. I intend to fight back at every peace protest in Austin.

If you are interested do a search on the Counterfreep in Austin. There were 200-300 of them and only 20 of us, but we got good coverage by the local media.

74 posted on 10/31/2001 4:06:54 PM PST by austingirl
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To: WIladyconservative
Yes I heard the same report, but then later I heard that the chaplain I died of a heart attack, I think. Really do not know which is factual.
75 posted on 10/31/2001 4:08:32 PM PST by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: error99
Regardless of the way he died. He did so doing what he loved to do. Care for the souls of his beloved firefighters.
76 posted on 10/31/2001 4:08:52 PM PST by mware
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To: mware
"...Regardless of the way he died. He did so doing what he loved to do. Care for the souls of his beloved firefighters. ..."
'nuff said.
77 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:10 PM PST by error99
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To: Jim Scott
Your right. We must know the facts and we must remember.
78 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:12 PM PST by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: BushWonGore'sDone
I don't know what truly happened, but if one was hit hard enough, it could cause a heart attack.
79 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:40 PM PST by GWfan
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To: Steven W.
I know a man whose office was adjacent to the side of the WTC where most of the people were jumping. He said that he personally witnessed at least 40 people leap to their deaths. He is having a very difficult time dealing with it.
80 posted on 10/31/2001 4:10:45 PM PST by Lorraine
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To: Jim Scott
So, the assumption here is that those who jumped can be propped up for persuasive purposes more effectively than those who were burned, suffocated, or crushed. Doesn't make much sense to me.
81 posted on 10/31/2001 4:11:52 PM PST by Sandy
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To: ThreadKiller
ping
83 posted on 10/31/2001 4:16:17 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: GWfan
This is the most wonderful site I have come across. It takes awhile to load, but it is worth it. It is from New York and those folks aren't forgetting.

911 website

84 posted on 10/31/2001 4:17:25 PM PST by austingirl
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To: Bruce Leroy
The Nanny-State Elite Media are just "Cleaning up things for us children"... they only want to help you... Call it what it is- "Elite Cleansing"
85 posted on 10/31/2001 4:19:25 PM PST by M_Man
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To: austingirl
Good for you. Graffic pictures of people jumping from the burning buildings need to be blown up to super size and shown at every demonstration against the war. The film footage of the people jumping from the twin towers should be shown every night on the news. The people of this country have been bombarded with political corectness for the last 30 years and they don't know how to go to war because they might hurt someone's feelings.
86 posted on 10/31/2001 4:21:29 PM PST by kempo
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To: ErnBatavia
The film from yesterday with Enya in background brought this to my mind as well. I think we all like to think it was over in seconds for all those poor victims. From the pictures I have seen, the people had a fair amount of time to think, burn or jump, what a horrible decision and the last one they all had to make.
87 posted on 10/31/2001 4:22:15 PM PST by Delmont
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To: bulldog905
Oh I agree with you there. My good friends son was on Cantor Fitagerald's floor. I just cannot imagine what he was going through the last minutes. A wonderful young man, husband and father of two preteens.
88 posted on 10/31/2001 4:23:39 PM PST by BushWonGore'sDone
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To: SpaceBar; DrewsDad; Gracey; basil; Jonx6; ImFightingMad; The Bat Lady; groundhog
If the average "Joe" or "Jane" on the street knew of the carnage and that they are removing little more than rotten hamburger with bone chips, teeth and powdered concrete that smells like garbage mixed with aviation fuel from the wreckage now, kabul, karachi, islamabad, damascus, tehran, bagdad, rihyad, cairo and mecca would be a smoldering radioactive ruin. They are keeping it under wraps for fear of real retaliation and public backlash.

This is one of most powerful posts I have seen lately and I agree with every word.

89 posted on 10/31/2001 4:24:41 PM PST by austingirl
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To: ErnBatavia
I once read that martyrs who were burned at the stake would breathe in the smoke and pass out before the flames reached them. If I was trapped in a burning highrise I would do that too, rather than jump out the window.
92 posted on 10/31/2001 4:32:31 PM PST by Atlantian
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To: bulldog905
Sounds like the press needs to hold a press conference and answer some questions.
93 posted on 10/31/2001 4:32:52 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: Easy_Shark
Actually I've heard this as well. I remember one of the evacuees saying something about 'piles of blood' outside on the sidewalk and street when they were still escaping the building before it collapsed. It was later when she/he realized that blood didn't make piles...
94 posted on 10/31/2001 4:33:50 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Saundra Duffy
There were 8 children killed. All passengers in the planes.
95 posted on 10/31/2001 4:34:07 PM PST by not-an-ostrich
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To: ErnBatavia
Does it matter? One would be too many.
96 posted on 10/31/2001 4:35:39 PM PST by Gimlet
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To: fone
Only one picture that I saw (the one that gets posted around here alot) with those poor souls hanging out the windows, one window looks as if it is a woman holding a small child or very precious package.

A small child IS a very precious package.

97 posted on 10/31/2001 4:36:21 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: austingirl
Thank you for the link to 911 Website...I can hardly breathe watching it. All these dear people are not with Mohammed's god...Oh, my, those are hard pictures to see.
98 posted on 10/31/2001 4:36:49 PM PST by Arabesque
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To: MHGinTN
Officially, no children were present or killed at WTC or Pentagon.
99 posted on 10/31/2001 4:38:14 PM PST by not-an-ostrich
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To: Black Agnes
Dear Jesus ,just when you think it doesn't get any worse ,you read this. That poor soul ,all of those poor souls. Folks these were people like us.I'm sick of reading about the poor Afghanistans.I can't summon up any pity for them.Nuke em.
100 posted on 10/31/2001 4:38:32 PM PST by Disgusted in Texas
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