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INS holding 2 men seized at apartment (anthrax letters - HANDWRITING link?)
Trenton Times ^ | 11/01/01 | ALBERT RABOTEAU

Posted on 11/01/2001 3:58:13 AM PST by gumbo

Edited on 07/06/2004 6:36:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

HAMILTON -- Two men taken from the Greenwood Village Garden Apartments by FBI agents Monday are being held by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, an FBI spokeswoman said yesterday.

The men, who have not been charged by the FBI in connection with any terrorist investigation, were taken from the upstairs apartment at 228 Norman Court in handcuffs, a neighbor said.


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Follow-up to yesterday's article, FBI seizes property at Hamilton [NJ] apartment [anthrax/hijackers link]
1 posted on 11/01/2001 3:58:13 AM PST by gumbo
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To: aristeides; bvw
Our local newsstand worker, Mohammad Pervez, pops up again.
2 posted on 11/01/2001 4:02:40 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Hmmm ... bookmark for later.
3 posted on 11/01/2001 4:02:41 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
IMPORTANT: One letter mailed to Senate had bogus "Greendale" School return address.

Greenwood appartments; Greendale School?

Subliminal link for someone with limited knowledge of English?

4 posted on 11/01/2001 4:14:03 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Greenwood appartments; Greendale School?

You may be on to something there.

5 posted on 11/01/2001 4:16:43 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
"They were there weeks ago asking questions about Mohammad Aslam Pervez, a former resident, said the Greenwood official. . "

Yes, this 'news' was posted a couple of weeks ago; with questions as to WHY they did not do a 'search' rather than just ask questions.

Maybe they just had to lay low, and wait for these 'folks' to return to their nest; whatever, this sounds like it could be 'good' news.

Of course, 'good news' to some; is 'bad news' to others ie . . .those that depended on the 'home grown' sourcing of Anthrax. . .'which of course, could still be. . .'

6 posted on 11/01/2001 4:22:29 AM PST by cricket
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To: MindBender26
"Greenwood appartments; Greendale School? "

. . .very good freepin cross-linking. . .!

7 posted on 11/01/2001 4:24:52 AM PST by cricket
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To: cricket
'bad news' to others ie . . .those that depended on the 'home grown' sourcing of Anthrax

Well, Mohammad Pervez IS a naturalized U.S. citizen.

If he is (one of) the culprits, would the media could still call it "domestic terrorism"?

8 posted on 11/01/2001 4:26:26 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Good question, I just hope there us a link.
9 posted on 11/01/2001 4:31:27 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: gumbo
Those redneck rightwingers from Trenton sure are busy beavers.
10 posted on 11/01/2001 4:32:11 AM PST by cynicom
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For anyone unfamiliar with the area,

Hamilton, NJ is right next door to Trenton.

The Daschle and Brokaw anthrax letters went through the Hamilton post office center.

Mohammad Pervez lived in Hamilton, and also shared a Jersey City apartment with the 2 dudes where were caught in Texas with boxcutters, hair dye, and lots of cash, after their September 11 flight was grounded in St. Louis.

Wall Street Journal reporters found magazine articles related to bio-warfare in the Jersey City apartment (after which, the FBI decided to search it more thoroughly).

11 posted on 11/01/2001 4:33:05 AM PST by gumbo
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Forgot to add, the anthrax laced letter to the New York Post also went through the Hamilton post office center.

The building remains shut down for decontamination.

12 posted on 11/01/2001 4:43:44 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
They need to check appartment with a "Boink" right away. Boink is slang name of machine that detects Bio, spores, etc.
13 posted on 11/01/2001 4:44:03 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: gumbo; *TerrOrWar; *Anthrax_Scare_List
Indexing.
14 posted on 11/01/2001 4:45:31 AM PST by aristeides
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To: MindBender26
Greenwood appartments; Greendale School?

The bogus name had to come from somewhere. Good thought.

15 posted on 11/01/2001 4:47:53 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: gumbo
If he is (one of) the culprits, would the media could still call it "domestic terrorism"?

You're probably right.

Even though some of the British Moslems stated yesterday that they are Moslems that happen to be living in Britian and don't really consider themselves British.

I'm not sure how they are going to identify them as right wing domestic terrorists, but the media will probably find a way.

16 posted on 11/01/2001 4:50:33 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: gumbo
Most interesting, but why wouldn't these nice peaceful Muslims have driven 45 minutes and mailed them from Philadelphia?
17 posted on 11/01/2001 4:52:23 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: gumbo
Didn't Pervez also work at a newsstand? Where was this newsstand located? I keep wondering about how the NY woman managed to contract the inhaled kind of anthrax. Did he slip a some of it into pages in a magazine at a NY newsstand, for instance? Many women's magazines contain some of those little perfume-infused cards, and it's not uncommon to put your nose to the things and sniff them. (Although personally, they make me sneeze so badly I tend to avoid those magazines that have them.)
18 posted on 11/01/2001 4:52:58 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: gumbo
Well, Mohammad Pervez IS a naturalized U.S. citizen.
Evidently obtained fraudulently and hence invalid.

If he is (one of) the culprits, would the media could still call it "domestic terrorism"?
Of course. Nobody ever accused the media of more than room temperature intelligence.

19 posted on 11/01/2001 4:54:15 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Aquinasfan
ALSO - Hamilton Square, about 4 miles from Mohammad Pervez's Greenwood village apartment is the home of the first non-postal worker/non-media member victim of anthrax:

Anthrax victim perplexed, but she's unafraid

11/01/01

By KEVIN SHEA
Staff Writer

HAMILTON -- She is strong and has no fear of the anthrax germ that gave her a nasty sore on her forehead.

"I'm not afraid. I'm on treatment, it's OK," the Hamilton Township accountant said yesterday. "The skin anthrax is not something to be afraid of, just go to your doctor (if you develop a sore)," she said.

But the mother of two and now a grandmother is also demandingly private and hopes to quickly resume her "normal life" in Hamilton Square, where she lives, and her job at a local firm, where she has worked for 13 years.

"I just want to go back to my life. I want to be normal and I just want to go about my business. That's all."

The 51-year-old woman who has skin anthrax broke her silence yesterday, but the interviews she gave were with the condition that her name not be used.

She is the only anthrax patient in New Jersey who is not a postal worker and, she says, that baffles her as much as it does the bevy of public health and law enforcement investigators on the case.

"I'm just a simple person. I don't go anywhere. I don't do anything out of the ordinary. I don't have a clue," she said.

It started small, she said, something on her forehead she noticed in the mirror on Wednesday, Oct. 17.

"Under my bang. I saw it. I said, `Well, that's not right.' "

She thought the stresses of her daughter's wedding, which was that upcoming Saturday, was the culprit.

But then she noticed her lymph nodes were swollen, so she went to her doctor that day and was put on Cipro. Two days later, on Friday night, the sore "seeped," and she attended her daughter's wedding with a bandage on her head.

The next day, Sunday, she went to the hospital.

For the next week, she went through a series of tests, and even had her friends look up spider bites on the Internet after a doctor suggested an arachnid had bitten her.

It could have happened, she said, because she'd been doing a lot of cleaning around the house in anticipation of wedding guests.

When she saw a picture of what a black recluse spider bite looked like, her reaction was: "That looks very much like the wound on my head."

"But now they say, `No, I didn't have a spider bite, I have anthrax,' " she said yesterday, incredulously.

She learned officially on Monday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed a biopsy of her lesion was anthrax. She accepts the finding, as bizarre as it is.

"I'm still, sometimes, in denial because I had three tests taken on it prior to the biopsy and those three tests came back (inconclusive). It's hard to believe."

Now that she's been living with skin anthrax, she wants the public to know it's not a horrible infliction, provided it is treated.

"If you see a lesion or anything odd on your skin, just go to your doctor immediately and have it checked out," she said. "I don't think it's anything to be alarmed about. I know some people are afraid, but it's not contagious. Just be cool."

It's not terribly painful either, she said; it was more of an annoyance. "I was fortunate," she said. "I just had some discomfort, but you know, I was not ill."

The toughest part was being in the hospital. "I didn't want to be there!" she said.

The woman is wondering herself how she came in contact with anthrax spores.

Asked if she has any theories, she said, "Not at all."

She said when the FBI tested her house Tuesday she was asked where she opened her mail at home and where all the phones in the house were. She said yesterday the results of the tests on her house will be back at the end of this week.

"I am calm," she said. "I am not worried about it at all. (The sore) is getting small, it's healing. The stitches are out, I feel fine."

She expects to be back to work at Civale, Silvestri, Alfieri, Martin and Higgins on Kuser Road next week.

Her friends and loved-ones have been wonderful in the past two weeks, she said. "I just thank them for the support. My friends have all called and people I haven't heard from in years."

(Also from the Trenton Times.)

Wonder why the FBI wanted to know "where all the phones in the house were."

20 posted on 11/01/2001 4:56:01 AM PST by gumbo
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To: golitely
Didn't Pervez also work at a newsstand? Where was this newsstand located?

Yes, he worked for "S & S News," at newsstands in both Trenton and Jersey City.

S & S News apparently went out of business in late August.

21 posted on 11/01/2001 4:58:05 AM PST by gumbo
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To: MindBender26
Or a neighbors kid.
22 posted on 11/01/2001 5:00:51 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: MindBender26
They need to check appartment with a "Boink" right away. Boink is slang name of machine that detects Bio, spores, etc

Name is ... interesting. But thought I heard from some media source that there is no machine capable of detecting airborne anthrax spores.

(Not that I take everything I hear from the mainstream media as gospel.)

23 posted on 11/01/2001 5:02:26 AM PST by gumbo
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To: golitely
I should have mentioned, both those newsstands were located at train stations -- one in Trenton and one in Jersey City.
24 posted on 11/01/2001 5:03:40 AM PST by gumbo
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To: golitely
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Crazy enough to be possible in this new world of ours.
25 posted on 11/01/2001 5:03:52 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Samwise
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you

"Paranoia is a state of heightened awareness. Most people are persecuted beyond their wildest delusions." - Claude Steiner

26 posted on 11/01/2001 5:06:58 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Maybe his past employment gave him ideas. If I were a terrorist, and I wanted to give someone inhaled anthrax, I'd for sure want them to take some nice, deep inhalations of it. Those little magazine inserts might be one way to go. And note, they are saying (so far) that they've found no anthrax in her apartment, yet they did find some on the clothing she was wearing when admitted into the hospital. People browse at newsstands all the time, and might not necessarily buy the magazines they browse.
27 posted on 11/01/2001 5:12:18 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: gumbo
If he is (one of) the culprits, would the media could still call it "domestic terrorism"?

In a way it is because the Jihad has been planned and carried out from within the US by Muslim groups living in the US for several years now and most likely by Muslim US citizens.

28 posted on 11/01/2001 5:15:30 AM PST by FITZ
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To: golitely
they are saying (so far) that they've found no anthrax in her apartment, yet they did find some on the clothing she was wearing when admitted into the hospital

You're talking about the New York hospital worker, Kathy Nguyen, who died of inhalation anthrax? I don't think the environmental tests are back yet on the Hamilton Square woman.

But, true, it does seem an easy way to spread anthrax -- stick a little powder in a magazine or newspaper insert. Inefficient way of infecting many people at one time, though.

29 posted on 11/01/2001 5:17:11 AM PST by gumbo
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To: cricket
To: MindBender26

"Greenwood appartments; Greendale School? "

. . .very good freepin cross-linking. . .!

7 posted on 11/1/01 5:24 AM Pacific by cricket

You bet!

30 posted on 11/01/2001 5:21:39 AM PST by Republic
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To: cynicom
"Those redneck rightwingers from Trenton sure are busy beavers"

Redneck rightwinger Arabs, you mean.

31 posted on 11/01/2001 5:24:34 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: gumbo
"If he is (one of) the culprits, would the media could still call it "domestic terrorism"?

Well they would probably try. . .. .

. . .but of course, Mohammed, 'naturalized' or not; we know, is not 'home grown'. . .

. . .he is just 'planted' and for reasons, he did not disclose. . .

32 posted on 11/01/2001 5:33:45 AM PST by cricket
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To: cake_crumb
You're right! And boy am I glad that the FBI is closing in on those Right-Wing Islamic Republican Extremist Jihadist Conservative Domestic Terrorists.

Now, the world can be made safe for Socialism Democracy. ;^)

33 posted on 11/01/2001 5:35:10 AM PST by KirkandBurke
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To: gumbo
"But thought I heard from some media source that there is no machine capable of detecting airborne anthrax spores."

I posted an article the other day about an experimental machine/instrument that showed good promise in early testing. Can't find the article now. It's probably in the 'anthrax scare list.'

34 posted on 11/01/2001 5:36:06 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
bttt
35 posted on 11/01/2001 5:36:32 AM PST by lunatic12
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To: cricket
but of course, Mohammed, 'naturalized' or not; we know, is not 'home grown'. . . . . .he is just 'planted'

'Planted' is a good choice of word.

36 posted on 11/01/2001 5:37:02 AM PST by gumbo
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To: golitely
Didn't Pervez also work at a newsstand? Where was this newsstand located?

My thoughts exactly. She might have picked up a paper he left on her subway train, too. People throw out newspapers in a day or two.

Bye bye evidence, unless anthrax shows up in workers in newspaper recycling plants.

37 posted on 11/01/2001 5:40:02 AM PST by syriacus
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To: gumbo
Inefficient way of infecting many people at one time, though.

A newspaper left on a subway could infect quite a few riders. Newspapers are thrown out in a day or two, so the evidence is gone, too.

38 posted on 11/01/2001 5:42:16 AM PST by syriacus
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To: gumbo
America could use a big break ... like arresting anthrax mailers.

It would also demoralize our enemies.

39 posted on 11/01/2001 5:42:35 AM PST by aculeus
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To: syriacus
More discussion of the newspaper route for anthrax dssemination is at EXCLUSIVE: PRE-9/11 ‘TERRORIST' MAIL CAME FROM INDY

I'm also wondering if the cowards aren't contaminating newspapers with anthrax....Leaving the papers on subways for people like poor Kathy Nguyen to handle on their way home from work.
Newspapers are usually thrown out within a day or two, so even if the person brought the paper home, the evidence would be gone, before the person gets sick.

40 posted on 11/01/2001 5:48:38 AM PST by syriacus
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To: FR_addict
Last night on C-Span, they braodcasted a meeting in Washington by BLACK MOSLEMS the "NEW BLACK PANTHERS"! It was so amazing to here the amount of hate, treason, and venemous speaches against the US. Right here, in our country! In Washington! I kept thinking within a minute, the FBI will rade this F---g mosque, and arrest these bastered.
41 posted on 11/01/2001 5:54:59 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: MindBender26; Republic; kylaka; aristeides
Greenwood appartments; Greendale School?

And Franklin Park, listed on return address just under "Greendale School," is midway between Trenton and Jersey City.

Probably on train line Mohammad Pervez may have taken between jobs at newsstands at both Trenton and Jersey City stations? (aristeides & kylaka - do either of you know if Franklin Park is a stop on the line?)

Trenton at lower left corner, Jersey City at upper right; Franklin Park is red star in between:

CURRENT MAP

42 posted on 11/01/2001 5:59:18 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
And he is apparently being questioned about two Jersey City men, Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Kahn, who were arrested aboard a train Sept. 12 carrying $5,000, box cutters and hair dye.

These are the two guys. The one on the right (Azmath) looks a lot like John Doe #2 (who was described as looking Cuban).
Arrested Men's Shaved Bodies Drew Suspicion of the F.B.I.
Mr. Azmath told the officers that he earned only $300 a week at a newsstand in Newark where he and Mr. Khan had worked until late August. Two boxcutters and $2,400 of the cash were in a new black briefcase with a combination lock that belonged to Mr. Kahn. In addition to the pocket knife, the report said, Mr. Azmath carried nearly $3,200 in cash and photocopies of multiple passports depicting him in various guises: with a full beard; a mustache; and clean shaven, both with and without glasses. Yet, the report said, Mr. Azmath answered "no" when asked if he was carrying knives or a large amount of money...The F.B.I. also recently tested the Jersey City apartment for signs of anthrax, and its agents have looked into a tip that Mr. Azmath may have been seen in 1993, around the time of the van-bombing of the World Trade Center, in an apartment with a man who was later convicted in the assault. But officials said they doubted that Mr. Azmath had any connection to that attack.

Azmath sure gets around.

43 posted on 11/01/2001 6:01:58 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
Azmath apparently has a fast azz. Good and informative post, syricus. Impressive, informative, and good groundwork for further questions. Hope the FBI reads FR.
44 posted on 11/01/2001 6:07:16 AM PST by Republic
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To: syriacus
Right, those are Mohammad Pervez's two Jersey City roommates -- the ones who might have been part of a failed hijacking attempt.

On September 11 they flew out of Newark on TWA flight 679 (bound for L.A.?). That flight was grounded in St. Louis when news of the other hijackings hit.

45 posted on 11/01/2001 6:12:08 AM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
What a blow to their terrorist organization to have these two guys taken down so relatively fast.
46 posted on 11/01/2001 6:13:09 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: syriacus; gumbo; Samwise
Consider also: the other person who has skin anthrax is also a woman. Maybe she didn't sniff the insert, just handled it. And also consider the fact that most of these new cases are occurring in roughly the same geographic area, all close to Trenton, NJ, suggesting that it might be coming from someone who lives nearby. This might be nothing but my vivid imagination, but I wonder if the FBI is looking into the magazine and/or newspaper angle. It would be so easy to slip some powder in between some pages...
47 posted on 11/01/2001 6:14:19 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: syriacus
And the same is true for magazines at a newsstand. Remember, too, that thus far, the anthrax hasn't killed or even infected that many people--a handful, compared to what happened at the WTC and the Pentagon. So they're not very efficient in any event--and for that, we can be most thankful!!
48 posted on 11/01/2001 6:17:13 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: cake_crumb
cake...

All we hear is that the rightwingers are highly suspect. I have grown tired of that media claptrap, so I use righwingers to show my disdain for the media.

49 posted on 11/01/2001 6:26:20 AM PST by cynicom
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To: golitely
Remember, too, that thus far, the anthrax hasn't killed or even infected that many people--a handful, compared to what happened at the WTC and the Pentagon. So they're not very efficient in any event--and for that, we can be most thankful!!

Yes. We have been fortunate.

Maybe the newspaper was only used to hide the contaminated letter until it was mailed. Maybe it wasn't intended as a weapon, but to hide a weapon. I guess it could have been thrown in a trash can, then picked up off the top of the can by some unsuspecting commuter who brought the paper onto a train.

50 posted on 11/01/2001 6:28:51 AM PST by syriacus
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