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Archbshp Sheen's Prophetic warning of 50 years ago: Mary and the Moslems; The Significance of Fatima
The Mindzenty Report, published by the Cardinal Mindzenty Foundation ^ | 11/1/01 | Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Posted on 11/02/2001 5:42:58 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Mary and the Moslems

Moslemism is the only great post-Christian religion of the world. Because it had its origin in the seventh century under Mohammed, it was possible to unite, within it, some elements of Christianity and of Judaism, along with particular customs of Arabia. Moslemism takes the doctrine of the unity of God, His Majesty and His creative power, and uses it, in part, as a basis for the repudiation of Christ, the Son of God.

(The following was written in 1952 and reprinted in the October 2001 Mindszenty Report.)

The Power of Islam
by Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Misunderstanding the notion of the Trinity, Mohammed made Christ a prophet, announcing Him just as to Christians Isaiah and John the Baptist are prophets announcing Christ.

The Christian European West barely escaped destruction at the hands of the Moslems. At one point they were stopped near Tours and at another point, later on in time, outside the gates of Vienna. The Church throughout northern Africa ws practically destroyed by Moslem power, and at the present hour, the Moslems are beginning to rise again. If Moslemism is a heresy, as Hilaire Belloc believes it to be, it is the only heresy that has never declined. Others have had a moment of vigor, then gone into doctrinal decay at the death of the leader, and finally evaporated in a vague social movement. Moslemism, on the contrary, has only had its first phase. There was never a time in which it declined, either in numbers, or in the devotion of its followers.

The missionary effort of the Church toward this group has been at least on the surface, a failure, for the Moslems are so far almost unconvertible. The reason is that for a follower of Mohammed to become a Christian is much like a Christian becoming a Jew. The Moslems believe that they have the final and definitive revelation of God to the world and that Christ was only a prophet announcing Mohammed, the last of Gods real prophets.

At the present time, the hatred of the Moslem countries against the West is becoming a hatred against Christianity itself. Although the statesmen have not yet taken it into account, there is still grave danger that the temporal power of Islam may return and, with it, the menace that it may shake off a West which has ceased to be Christian, and affirm itself as a great anti-Christian world power. Moslem writers say, When the locust swarms darken countries, they bear on their wings these Arabic words: We are Gods host, each of us has ninety-nine eggs, and if we had a hundred, we should lay waste the world, with all that is in it.

The problem is, how shall we prevent the hatching of the hundredth egg? It is our firm belief that the fears some entertain concerning the Moslems are not to be realized, but that Moslemism, instead, will eventually be converted to Christianity - and in a way that even some of our missionaries never suspect. It is our belief that this will happen not through the direct teachings of Christianity, but through a summoning of the Moslems to a veneration of the Mother of God. This is the line of argument:

Mary, Mother of God
The Koran, which is the Bible of the Moslems, has many passages concerning the Blessed Virgin. First of all, the Koran believes in her Immaculate Conception, and also, in her Virgin Birth. The third chapter of the Koran places the history of Marys family in a genealogy which goes back through Abraham, Noah, and Adam. When one compares the Korans description of the birth of Mary with the aprocryphal Gospel of the birth of Mary, one is tempted to believe tht Mohammed very much depended upon the latter. Both books describe the old age and the definite sterility of the mother of Mary. When, however, she conceives, the mother of Mary is made to say in the Koran: O Lord, I vow and I consecrate to you what is already within me. Accept it from me.

When Mary is born, the mother says: And I consecrate her with all of her posterity under thy protection, O Lord, against Satan! The Koran passes over Joseph in the life of Mary, but the Moslem tradition knows his name and has some familiarity with him. In this tradition, Joseph is made to speak to Mary, who is a virgin. As he inquired how she conceived Jesus without a father, Mary answered: Do you not know that God, when He created the wheat had no need of seed, and that God by His power made the trees grow without the help of rain? All that God had to do was to say, So be it, and it was done. The Koran has also verses on the Annunciation, Visitation, and Nativity. Angels are pictured as accompanying the Blessed Mother and saying: Oh Mary, God has chosen you and purified you, and elected you above all the women of the earth.

In the nineteenth chapter of the Koran there are 41 verses on Jesus and Mary. There is such a strong defense of the virginity of Mary here that the Koran, in the fourth book, attributed the condemnation of the Jews to their monstrous calumny against the Virgin Mary.

The Significance of Fatima

Mary, then, is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only possible serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed himself. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: Thou shalt be the most blessed of all the women in Paradise, after Mary. In a variant of the text, Fatima is made to say, I surpass all the women, except Mary.

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century, should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as Our Lady of Fatima. Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as Our Lady of Fatima as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too. Evidence to suport these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he live to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady apeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.

The final evidence of the relationship of Fatima to the Moslems is the enthusiastic reception which the Moslems in Africa and India and elsewhere gave to the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima, as mentioned earlier. Moslems attended the church services in honor of our Lady, they allowed religious processions and even prayers before their mosques; and in Mozambique the Moslems who were unconverted, began to be Christian as soon as the statue of Our Lady of Fatima was erected.

A Missionary Strategy
Missionaries in the future will, more and more, see that their apostolate among the Moslems will be successful in the measure that they preach Our Lady of Fatima. Mary is the advent of Christ, bringing Christ to the people before Christ Himself is born. In an apologetic endeavor, it is always best to start with that which people already accept. Because the Moslems have a devotion to Mary, our missionaries should be satisfied merely to expand and to develop that devotion, with the full realization that Our Blessed Lady will carry the Moslems the rest of the way to her divine Son. She is forever a traitor, in the sense that she will not accept any devotion for herself, but will always bring anyone who is devoted to her to her divine Son. As those who lose devotion to her lose belief in the divinity of Christ, so those who intensify devotion to her gradually acquire that belief.

Many of our great missionaries in Africa have already broken down the bitter hatred and prejudices of the Moslems against the Christians through their acts of charity, their schools and hospitals. It now remains to use another approach, namely, that of taking the 41st chapter of the Koran and showing them that it was taken out of the Gospel of Luke, that Mary could not be, even in their own eyes, the most blessed of all the women of Heaven if she had not also borne the Savior of the world. If Judith and Esther of the Old Testament were pre-figures of Mary, then it may very well be that Fatima herself was a post-figure of Mary! The Moslems should be prepared to acknowledge that, if Fatima must give way in honor to the Blessed Mother, it is because she is different from all the other mothers of the world and that without Christ she would be nothing.

(This article courtesy of The Mindzenty Report, published by the Cardinal Mindzenty Foundation.)

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archbishopsheen; fatima; islam; mindszentyreport; muslims; sheen
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To: Aquinasfan
With regard to the passages frequently cited by Calvinists which say that "God hated..." the explanation is that the phrase "God hated..." is a Jewish idiom with a different meaning than what we would ascribe to the phrase.

Are you saying that Paul misunderstood the Jewish idiom? He did write in Greek, right? (I'm not a Calvinist, in the interests of full disclosure.)

121 posted on 11/02/2001 4:20:17 PM PST by the808bass
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To: proud2bRC
I wondered how long it would be till the Jack Chick brigade would join our discussion.

Reporting for duty. :)

122 posted on 11/02/2001 4:24:25 PM PST by the808bass
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To: RnMomof7
The source of conversion should be Jesus Christ sink..We should preach Christ crucified..that isn't hateful it is scriptual.

One can be culturally relevant to Muslims without Lady Fatima. An amazing missionary to the Afghans and Pakistanis visited my seminary. He quoted their own poetry to them, sang their songs, immersed himself in their culture. All for the sake of presenting Christ.

123 posted on 11/02/2001 4:27:22 PM PST by the808bass
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To: the808bass
Reporting for duty. :)

And lookin good soldier..*grin* hey 808......

124 posted on 11/02/2001 4:29:43 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Flying Circus
Why do they always have to come muck up the Catholic threads? Because Satan knows the right address.

When you're equally hated by the liberals, homosexual activists, abortionists, population controllers, the UN, feminists, agnostics, atheists, communists, etc, as well as the fundamentalists and bible only folks, you know ya' just gotta be doing something right.

Frankly the more they attack, the deeper my faith gets. I makes me realize more than ever we fight alongside Christ, and the forces of anti-Christ are arrayed against His body, the Church.

Wonder why they never stop to contemplate the company they keep in deriding Catholicism?

Surely, the Whore of Babylon would be in league with the liberals, homosexual activists, abortionists, population controllers, the UN, feminists, atheists, communists, etc.

But those folks hate us just as much as these anti-Catholic Jack Chick types here.

Don't they ever stop to look around them at the company they're keeping and question where exactly they stand??? Do they not realize they themselves stand within the Whore of Babylon, alongside all the other little anti-Christs arrayed against Christ?

Do they not realize that true believers are not deceived by their propaganda?

We have 2000 years of the teaching of Christ and proper interpretation of scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and through the authority Christ granted His Church. We don't need their fallible personal interpretation of these various scriptural proof texts taken out of context. We know and understand their true context and their proper interpretation and we don't need the only-500-years-old-protestant-revolt-against-the-authority-Christ-gave-His-church-new-false-gospel-anti-Catholic-bigoted-interpretation.

My apologies for being uncharitable. I know in their own little minds they mean well, and think they are doing god's work. But so do the terrorists, to be blunt.

Time is too short to waste on these folks. The truth has been preached to them on this forum repeatedly. If they continue to refuse it, it is nigh about time to stop casting pearls, and shake the dust off our feet.

Yeah, Satan knows the right address.

And his minions do his bidding wittingly and unwittingly. May God have mercy on them.

125 posted on 11/02/2001 4:34:02 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the808bass
I was listening to family radio tuesday they were talking about how our young multiculturally raised kids ,that seem to lack any ties to our culture are perfect missionaries,because they have no judgemental attitude toward other cultures and they when they learn the culture they are absorbed in it and so relate well on the mission fields..
126 posted on 11/02/2001 4:36:15 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
a thousand of us will never convince you

That is the only completely true statement I expect to see from you on this forum, as well as the highest praise I could possibly hear from you. Please refer to #125.

127 posted on 11/02/2001 4:45:25 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: prognostigaator
And what would Mohammed have to say about the treatment of his daughter in the current scheme of things in the Moslem world....

He would say that the Muslims have strayed too far from the path he prescribed. And then, he'd call on God to launch an airstrike.

128 posted on 11/02/2001 4:47:00 PM PST by Hamza01
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To: proud2bRC
This is a joke, right? You don't actually believe this stuff you post, do you? Like only RC's are persecuted for their "faith". Sure.
129 posted on 11/02/2001 4:54:27 PM PST by Iowegian
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To: proud2bRC
Hey hard feeling I was born and raised RC and still sleep with one.....come on over to the count your self search thread ,you gotta be up there too
130 posted on 11/02/2001 5:05:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: proud2bRC
Self search count come play..
131 posted on 11/02/2001 5:07:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: proud2bRC
EWTN is showing an episode of Life is Worth Living with Bishop Sheen talking about...Fatima! I'm sure they will be replaying it.
132 posted on 11/02/2001 5:16:10 PM PST by ELS
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To: patent
Other then an EWTN, a Catholic priest can’t get on television anymore to teach the faith.

It is a shame. His show Life is Worth Living had a viewership of over 30 million and won an Emmy award in 1952.

133 posted on 11/02/2001 5:27:52 PM PST by ELS
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To: the808bass
My commentary says that it's a Jewish idiom that means "to love less." That's all I can tell you.
134 posted on 11/02/2001 5:28:20 PM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: proud2bRC
Great Post!!

Go to then click on America Needs Fatima, It's a great site

Order the Book: "Our Lady of Fatima:Prophecies of Tragedy or Hope?" Antonio Borelli and John R. Spann Tradition, Family, Property & America Needs Fatima, CRUSADE magazine

It's all in the Book

135 posted on 11/02/2001 5:40:43 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Aquinasfan
But it's not written in Hebrew in the New Testament. In order to advance your theory, you have to claim that Paul misunderstood the idiom or unsuccessfully tried to port it into the Greek with similar results as "All your base are belong to us."
136 posted on 11/02/2001 5:41:55 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Iowegian
Like only RC's are persecuted for their "faith".

Never said that. I said that Catholicism is attacked from all sides because Satan knows the right address.

Does that mean no other Christians, or even non Christians, were/are never persecuted? Certainly not.

Just that Catholicism is attacked uniformly from all corners, much more so than any other Christian denomination.

That is simply an observable fact. Draw your own conclusions, but don't deny facts.

137 posted on 11/02/2001 6:46:21 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: RnMomof7
No problem...probably just sleep deprivation and frustration on my part...I'm a bit more testy than usual..a lot less patient. Sorry. By the way, 2700 since joining in July 17. Is that much?
138 posted on 11/02/2001 7:08:19 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Iowegian
"Surely you can't be serious?"

I am serious, and quit calling me Shirley...see post # 137

139 posted on 11/02/2001 7:29:00 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Coleus
I've had a few of the TFP men in my home, and I have their book, "Nobility and Traditional Analogous Elites."

I think they do good work. They have a wonderful presence at the March for Life in DC every year. (But individually some TFP's might tend towards schismatic traditionalist positions.)

140 posted on 11/02/2001 7:33:32 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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