Skip to comments.Gun Control After September 11
Posted on 11/02/2001 9:09:31 PM PST by Scalia RulesEdited on 04/22/2004 12:31:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
"I think all women oughta carry a cell phone and a three-fifty-seven. Loaded." So declares a woman interviewed by The New Republic's Michelle Cottle.
That statement seems to sum up the post-Sept. 11 attitude toward gun control. Things were already tough for the gun-control movement. Convinced that Al Gore's strong anti-gun stance had cost the Democratic Party the 2000 election, the Democratic Leadership Council had already called for a softer line on gun control. Bill Clinton and former White House spokesman Joe Lockhart had pronounced Gore's stance a mistake. Meanwhile, product-liability suits brought against gun manufacturers were failing miserably in courts from New York to California.
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Tsk, tsk. I suggest a Colt .45. If she's gonna shoot 'em, might as well send his ass across the street.
"One shot stopping power" is B.S. To paraphrase Twain, the safest place to be when one's pointed at you is directly in front of it.
9mm is the way to go. Even the US Army thinks so.
I actually know very little about firearms, though I most definately support the right to own them. I'm more of a sword man myself.
They're right to be convinced. Forty-seven percent of the people that voted in November 2000 were gun owners, and I doubt very many of them chose Gore.
What if it's really shiny?
I am a firearms enthusiast, myself, but I think I'd concede that the decline of the sword, and the attendant advent of firearms did have a decivilizing effect on society.
It is here that things seem to have changed the most. Americans have learned that being harmless does not guarantee that they will not be harmed: in fact, it seems that terrorists (like ordinary criminals) actually prefer victims who cannot strike back.
Its always been a dishonest arguement.
No doubt members of the National Council of Churches.... if I only had the cash to create a real church!
The venerable .45 round is a MUCH better defensive round over the 9mm. True, our military went to the 9mm, but sadly it was not due to any military trials against the .45 whatsoever! In fact, the 9mm was around when we first chose the Colt .45 1911. Nothing in a pistol cartridge for a semi-auto at that time tested as well against live or dead flesh as the .45 round.
Why did we go to 9mm? Because we have women in the military now to consider I recon. Perhaps they felt the .45 was too much gun? Why do the FBI HRT carry the Springfield 1911 in .45? Why do our Special Forces carry H&Ks USPs in .45? There are plenty of great firearms out there in 9mm... -Must be their need for killing quickly.
I have nothing against the 9mm, and have owned several. But if I'm going into a fight, it's with a .45, and that's if I can't carry a rifle.
Note, if you will, that when cops have the chance to choose and are not hamstrung by PC minded town councils, they prefer John Browning's best. Even the fibbies have gone back to the .45 as a carry piece.
I can personally attest that I watched a Spook, (the Agency kind) put a 30-some round magazine from a 9mm Swedish K into a goober, and wound up caving the guy's head in with the pistol grip and a ballbat swing.
The "spray and pray" method is only good in Hollyweird. Remember, they also invented the sideways 'gansta' hold, which is the best way to tell who is going to win a gunfight.
Oh goodie, a caliber war, can I join in? The Army is begining to recognise it's error. Special Ops guys are switching to .45s, H&Ks pretty much like the USP. 9mm overpenetrates, even with expanding bullets. As for the higher magazine capacity, that's for those who intend to miss alot. Even the police have turned away from the 9. Mostly they have gone to the .40 S&W, but many allow .45s too. Nothing wrong with .357 BTW, although like the 9, it will tend to overpenetrate. Big and slow is the real way to go, that way even if the bullet fails to expand, say the cavity is stuffed with material from a winter coat, you still make a nice big hole, and deposite most of the energy in the target.
Maybe its the Taliban, with their nasty hostility to women. Maybe its just that this is the first major attack on the United States since feminism took hold. But whatever it is, the gloves are off, and the Rosie ODonnell culture of passivity is dead. That means that efforts to stigmatize gun ownership as promoting violence, or vigilantism, or unseemly masculinity, are now sure to fail. Thats bad news for the gun control movement. But its worse news for the Taliban.
The funny thing is that it's not exactly his specialty (or at least it didn't used to be). He's actually one of the pre-eminent experts on space law.
Actually the advent of the firearm, along with the ability of the yeomen to stand against the armored noble, probably helped usher in the era of the rights of everyman, rather than just the rights of nobles. While militia like entities did exist before firearms, it was only the advent of the relatively inexpensive and easy to use firearm, that made mininmally trained militia armies effective on the battlefield. One they had the guns, how could the fuedal Lords continue to subjegate them? Being civilized is all fine and good, but being free is much better.
Don't worry, the men have always been here. They had to hide for a while, but they are here, and they are in Afganistan killing our enemies. The left never understood the male animal. We live, dormant if we must, till we are needed. Then, it's Katie bar the doors! The left thought they had beaten down the American male........Wrong again! The American male just ripped off his 3 piece suit and exposed his Superman cape! It's time to defend this Republic, it's time to fight.............Let's Roll!
I don't say this to brag, I say this because I'm sick and tired of "it must be a MAN thing". You can bet your a$$ it's a man thing, and a man will finish this job! When this whole thing is over we'll bury another unknown soldier in Arlington National Cemetary. It'll be a man. Don't you liberals bit$h, it'll be a man because men fought this war, as they did every other nasty war that ever came down the pike. PC doesn't work in war, just the pride, honor, and courage of a man, a patriot, an AMERICAN! Get used to it people, men are back....and they are pissed!
The people, sir, are a beast. Liberty is not found in the herd--for it represents the greatest threat to freedom. That is why we catalogue our sacred rights, the right to Keep and Bear arms among them, in a Bill of rights, where they can be secure from the encroachments of transient majorities.
There aren't many attornyes or academics who specialize in in "space law"--which I take it is concerned primarily with puzzling jurisdictional dilemmas. A good many of his journal articles deal with the Second Amendment and/or federalism.
Well, it's actually more than that--it's about whether or not things like sovereignty and property rights even exist, and what their their limits are. But not many work on it because it's an arcane topic, currently. I would assume that in his case it's a labor of love.
A good many of his journal articles deal with the Second Amendment and/or federalism.
But the only full book that he's written, AFAIK, is a seminal work on space law...
According to him, the 9mm was scrapped because too many of the "crack troops" could not even rack the slides on the .45, and were afraid to fire it, it was flinch city for the ladies. In the "new Army", ladies have to be gate guards etc, so the .45 had to go. That's from the horse's mouth, from one who was in on the deal.
He also said that the SIG won every test, the Beretta was ulitmately picked out of NATO political considerations.
P.S. The reason the US Military went to 9mm was to standardize with NATO protocol. Besides, is my dream gun is a .45 Winmag. Gonna be my next gun....lol!
What have you been smoking?
That changed, when Cheney said it was likely more people would be killed in the United States, than abroad, by terrorists. The intelligent thing changed to buying a gun, and learning about the best hearing protection I could get. My local gun store employee assured me that many other citizens are buying guns. I intend to go for concealed carry.
So I bought a Ruger P89, 9mm, mainly based on fairly low cost, to get started. Any recommendations about the best hearing protection? I have had tinnitus in both ears for 32 years, so I would like to not make it worse.
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