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Gun Control After September 11
FOXNEWS ^ | Friday, November 2, 2001 | Glenn Harlan Reynolds

Posted on 11/02/2001 9:09:31 PM PST by Scalia Rules

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:31:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"I think all women oughta carry a cell phone and a three-fifty-seven. Loaded." So declares a woman interviewed by The New Republic's Michelle Cottle.

That statement seems to sum up the post-Sept. 11 attitude toward gun control. Things were already tough for the gun-control movement. Convinced that Al Gore's strong anti-gun stance had cost the Democratic Party the 2000 election, the Democratic Leadership Council had already called for a softer line on gun control. Bill Clinton and former White House spokesman Joe Lockhart had pronounced Gore's stance a mistake. Meanwhile, product-liability suits brought against gun manufacturers were failing miserably in courts from New York to California.


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To: Scalia Rules
9mm is the way to go. Even the US Army thinks so

Oh goodie, a caliber war, can I join in? The Army is begining to recognise it's error. Special Ops guys are switching to .45s, H&Ks pretty much like the USP. 9mm overpenetrates, even with expanding bullets. As for the higher magazine capacity, that's for those who intend to miss alot. Even the police have turned away from the 9. Mostly they have gone to the .40 S&W, but many allow .45s too. Nothing wrong with .357 BTW, although like the 9, it will tend to overpenetrate. Big and slow is the real way to go, that way even if the bullet fails to expand, say the cavity is stuffed with material from a winter coat, you still make a nice big hole, and deposite most of the energy in the target.

21 posted on 11/02/2001 9:59:52 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Dan from Michigan
FYI
22 posted on 11/02/2001 10:01:23 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Scalia Rules
Maybe it’s the Taliban, with their nasty hostility to women. Maybe it’s just that this is the first major attack on the United States since feminism took hold. But whatever it is, the gloves are off, and the Rosie O’Donnell culture of passivity is dead. That means that efforts to stigmatize gun ownership as promoting violence, or vigilantism, or unseemly masculinity, are now sure to fail. That’s bad news for the gun control movement. But it’s worse news for the Taliban.

23 posted on 11/02/2001 10:02:06 PM PST by samtheman
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To: AnnaZ; Mercuria
FYI
24 posted on 11/02/2001 10:02:55 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Scalia Rules
Prof. Reynolds is THE Man on the Second Amendment. I am a lawyer myself (actually, I get sworn in to the Illinois bar next Thursday) , but I don't hold it against Reynolds that he's a Yale Law alum.

The funny thing is that it's not exactly his specialty (or at least it didn't used to be). He's actually one of the pre-eminent experts on space law.

25 posted on 11/02/2001 10:02:56 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: Scalia Rules
I think I'd concede that the decline of the sword, and the attendant advent of firearms did have a decivilizing effect on society

Actually the advent of the firearm, along with the ability of the yeomen to stand against the armored noble, probably helped usher in the era of the rights of everyman, rather than just the rights of nobles. While militia like entities did exist before firearms, it was only the advent of the relatively inexpensive and easy to use firearm, that made mininmally trained militia armies effective on the battlefield. One they had the guns, how could the fuedal Lords continue to subjegate them? Being civilized is all fine and good, but being free is much better.

27 posted on 11/02/2001 10:06:06 PM PST by El Gato
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To: amom; Bump in the night
FYI
28 posted on 11/02/2001 10:07:50 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Dogbert41
If you prefer the .45, then my hat is off to you, sir. But for most people, it is a modest claim to say that the 9mm should be the caliber of choice. It is undeniable that it is a more accurate pistol, and any benefits the .45 might have in comparison are greatly exceeded by the costs in most civilian encounters. By the way, Beretta rules.
29 posted on 11/02/2001 10:08:10 PM PST by Scalia Rules
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To: jonascord
Yes, I love how people are so TERRIFIED of fully automatic weapons. Makes me laugh in thier face. Give me a Semi Any day, one shot, one kill. An auto is really only good to keep somebodies head down, unless you're really close, then you'd saw them in half. I think this is a little overkill.

Although, I must admit, fully auto is a ball, it is just real hard to hit what you're aiming at!! LOL
30 posted on 11/02/2001 10:08:22 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: TERMINATTOR
FYI
31 posted on 11/02/2001 10:09:12 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Scalia Rules
Good article!

Don't worry, the men have always been here. They had to hide for a while, but they are here, and they are in Afganistan killing our enemies. The left never understood the male animal. We live, dormant if we must, till we are needed. Then, it's Katie bar the doors! The left thought they had beaten down the American male........Wrong again! The American male just ripped off his 3 piece suit and exposed his Superman cape! It's time to defend this Republic, it's time to fight.............Let's Roll!

I don't say this to brag, I say this because I'm sick and tired of "it must be a MAN thing". You can bet your a$$ it's a man thing, and a man will finish this job! When this whole thing is over we'll bury another unknown soldier in Arlington National Cemetary. It'll be a man. Don't you liberals bit$h, it'll be a man because men fought this war, as they did every other nasty war that ever came down the pike. PC doesn't work in war, just the pride, honor, and courage of a man, a patriot, an AMERICAN! Get used to it people, men are back....and they are pissed!

32 posted on 11/02/2001 10:09:20 PM PST by timydnuc
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To: Aric2000
"Give me a Semi Any day, one shot, one kill."

my favorite weapons in the Navy (I was in charge of ship armory) 45 and Thompson (on semi auto)
plus 45 and Thompson use same ammo
33 posted on 11/02/2001 10:12:43 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: El Gato
"Actually the advent of the firearm, along with the ability of the yeomen to stand against the armored noble, probably helped usher in the era of the rights of everyman, rather than just the rights of nobles. While militia like entities did exist before firearms, it was only the advent of the relatively inexpensive and easy to use firearm, that made mininmally trained militia armies effective on the battlefield. One they had the guns, how could the fuedal Lords continue to subjegate them? Being civilized is all fine and good, but being free is much better."

The people, sir, are a beast. Liberty is not found in the herd--for it represents the greatest threat to freedom. That is why we catalogue our sacred rights, the right to Keep and Bear arms among them, in a Bill of rights, where they can be secure from the encroachments of transient majorities.

34 posted on 11/02/2001 10:15:57 PM PST by Scalia Rules
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To: timydnuc
"The American male just ripped off his 3 piece suit and exposed his Superman cape!"

With all due respect to President Bush and the job he is doing to help us win this war.


35 posted on 11/02/2001 10:19:05 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: NonZeroSum
"The funny thing is that it's not exactly his specialty (or at least it didn't used to be). He's actually one of the pre-eminent experts on space law."

There aren't many attornyes or academics who specialize in in "space law"--which I take it is concerned primarily with puzzling jurisdictional dilemmas. A good many of his journal articles deal with the Second Amendment and/or federalism.

36 posted on 11/02/2001 10:23:16 PM PST by Scalia Rules
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To: JeepInMazar
Ruger 10-22? Great rifle, good mags, very quiet. My son likes to shoot it very much, at cans and balloons especially.
37 posted on 11/02/2001 10:23:56 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Scalia Rules
There aren't many attornyes or academics who specialize in in "space law"--which I take it is concerned primarily with puzzling jurisdictional dilemmas.

Well, it's actually more than that--it's about whether or not things like sovereignty and property rights even exist, and what their their limits are. But not many work on it because it's an arcane topic, currently. I would assume that in his case it's a labor of love.

A good many of his journal articles deal with the Second Amendment and/or federalism.

But the only full book that he's written, AFAIK, is a seminal work on space law...

38 posted on 11/02/2001 10:27:15 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: Scalia Rules
Agreed... for women in general, that is. Virtually any gal can master a 9mm, and as the saying goes, better 1 hit with .22 than 6 misses with a .45
39 posted on 11/02/2001 10:31:17 PM PST by my trusty sig
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To: Dogbert41; El Gato; jonascord
A friend of mine was involved in the selection of the new 9mm in the 80s at a very....intimate level. He was a firearms instructorduring the testing, and had to train "recruits" on the various pistols in the competition, and then all the results were evaluated.

According to him, the 9mm was scrapped because too many of the "crack troops" could not even rack the slides on the .45, and were afraid to fire it, it was flinch city for the ladies. In the "new Army", ladies have to be gate guards etc, so the .45 had to go. That's from the horse's mouth, from one who was in on the deal.

He also said that the SIG won every test, the Beretta was ulitmately picked out of NATO political considerations.

40 posted on 11/02/2001 10:31:50 PM PST by Travis McGee
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