How the Chairperson of the Womens and Gender Studies feels about my free speech!!!!!

Mine | 11/3/01 | Charles Hall

[pitt]

-----Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [ mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com ] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall JBarlow@UTNet.UToledo.Edu wrote: Mr. Hall, I am responding to your email (below) to Diana Sharp, who is secretary of the Department of Women's and Gender Studies at the University of Toledo, as well as a UT student. As chair of the department and a university professor, I want to point out to you that your response is inappropriate and harassing. It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else. It is the right of every citizen in a country based on free-speech to articulate their beliefs, and, therefore, the right of every member of the UT community to examine and discuss not only the events of September 11, but also the events leading to that horrible day, as well as the subsequent responses of the United States. Our teach-in is primarily informational; it is an attempt to provide a forum for students in particular, but also for staff and faculty, to learn more about U.S. and global histories and cultures, to discuss their concerns, and to ask questions. Many people in the UT and Toledo communities are experts in these areas, and we have invited some of them to speak and address the concerns and questions. It is not necessary for me to respond to your rude and harassing email, but I have chosen to do so in the hope that you can learn that hate-speech is never appropriate and that there are policies and procedures in place at UT, which you have violated. I assume that you will respect both my effort to respond to you and the fact that it would be a very bad idea for you to email me in return or ever again email anyone in this department. You can be assured that your email will be addressed according to those policies and procedures, which, by the way, follow federal guidelines. I have copied my email to Ms. Sharp, to the asscociate dean of the Humanities, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and to the President of the University of Toledo. Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606 (419) 530-2233; FAX (419) 530-4411 jbarlow@utnet.utoledo.edu

[dighton]

Original Message----- From: Charles Hall [mailto:pitbull@accesstoledo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:13 PM To: dsharp@utnet.utoledo.edu Subject: Teach In The answer is simple: Your either with US or or With the Terrorists !!!! DON'T E-MAIL YOUR TERRORIST LOVING CRAP TO ME AGAIN. Charles Hall

Well, it's *a bit* rude.

She's faculty, you're a student?

[dennisw]

I would head to the student newspaper to expose the intimidation they are trying out on you. Expose these cockroaches to the light!

[Timesink]

Charles-- How did you come into possession of the original email from this "womyn"? Did you intentionally subscribe to some discussion list to which this person posted, or did she simply spam every email address she could get her fingers on at the UofT? If it's the latter, you may well have a legal case against her, and I suggest you fight like hell. All those irrelevant CCs mean they're out to get you, and want to at the very least put a permanent mark on your student record.

I would suggest: a) Asking for legal help from any Freepers. b) I would suggest alerting members of the news media as well, such as Bill O'Reilly, Newsmax.com, etc.

[Timesink]

She appears to be a lowly secretary, not a faculty member. They're out to get this kid, and I think we need to help him.

[pitt]

The e-mail came over as a general spam through the uniserity e-mail server. I have sent it to the local media but no reply.

[j.cam]

When someone pushes controversial opinions they should expect people to be rude, and should not try to hinder free speech.

[Beeline40@aol.com]

You have freep mail!!!

[pitt]

The original e-mail was sent out by what a appears to be the department secretary. The reply was from the Chairperson of the Department.

[Gimlet]

The answer was reasonable response to a rash and ill considered email.

[j.cam]

Be careful. You are fighting the wacademic Taliban. These people are pure evil hypocrites. Right now they have power over you. Make sure you get your degree.

By the way, I have noticed that Wacademics are very afraid of lawyers if it comes to that.

Good luck.

[j.cam]

"The answer was reasonable response to a rash and ill considered email."

Explain to me then, how the speech was "harassing"?

[Gimlet]

Probably not harassing by any legal standard but it was loud, crude, vulgar and said nothing of value or interest. When I am spoken to like that I consider the speech harassing. (Just a personal pov.)

[Paul Atreides]

It is your right as a citizen of this country to hold whatever beliefs you want; however, it is not your right to impose those beliefs on anyone else.

You would think the left would drop that cliche already! Everyone knows they don't push their views on others!!

By the way, the correct title is Chairb*tch.

[dighton]

When someone pushes controversial opinions they should expect people to be rude, and should not try to hinder free speech.

OK. Lest I come off as acting "holier than thou," I'll admit to using ALL CAPS and naughty words on this very forum, more than once.

In practical terms, rudeness is usually conterproductive. It's almost suicidal when applied to a superior: student to faculty; employee to boss; and so on.

I'll leave discussion of rights to others. Good luck.

[Jimmy Valentine]

Precisely what Federal regulations is this "person" referring to? I am not aware of any Federal regulations that would impact your e-mail excepting the First Amendment.

Regards,

[Havisham]

She could have just taken him off the mailing list. Special rights = American Revolution repealed.

[xm177e2]

If you get in trouble, FIRE is your best defense.

[RightOnline]

"Dr. Jamie Barlowe Chair, Dept. of Women's and Gender Studies University of Toledo Toledo, OH 43606"

Dear Dr. Barlowe:

Blow it out your (obviously never-been-touched-by-a-male-of-the-species-and-probably-never-will-be) a**.

Sincerely,

Any Thinking American With a Semblance of a Brain

[Beeline40@aol.com]

I responded to your email. This is outrageous. Thanks. You did nothing wrong. Get a lawyer if they start anything.

[Hank Rearden]

So she's a feminist, huh?
Isn't that cute . . . .

"Womens and Gender Studies" - one of those totally useless, totally parasitic parking places for lazy lefties to park themselves for tenure and a big pension.