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Atheist Questions the Practice of Halloween...
Sir Francis Dashwood | 10-31-01 | Sir Francis Dashwood

Posted on 11/03/2001 5:06:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood

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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Your atheism bothers me a lot less than your sophomoric insistence that long standing social traditions must be justified to your own satisfaction.
151 posted on 11/04/2001 4:47:13 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Gimlet
"Personally - I find most aspects of halloween disturbing. All Souls's Day can help, I find - as a restorative. It is partly the ghastly commercialism but mostly the truly pagan feeling display of all of it. What could be just a little fun for the kids is turned into a full scale ritual of kids on the make. Witchcraft is not fun."

Yes. You see the ritualization of the whole thing. This is something I have been waiting for someone to point out. Most perceptive of you...

152 posted on 11/04/2001 4:49:32 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Snuffington
"Your atheism bothers me a lot less than your sophomoric insistence that long standing social traditions must be justified to your own satisfaction."

Then why did you come here?

153 posted on 11/04/2001 4:51:28 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: OWK
He spoke in parables actually. I shall not reply again to you here as frankly your ignorance of Christ is so overwhelming that I suggest you first seek Him out before ever opening your mouth about Him again.

Believe it or not I do love you.

154 posted on 11/04/2001 5:20:37 AM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
He spoke in parables actually.

Yes he did at times...

To simplify the message... not to complicate it so that only the self-righteous "annointed ones" could understand it.

You sure do think quite a bit of yourself.

155 posted on 11/04/2001 5:32:05 AM PST by OWK
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To: goodieD
Um..how about the religious significance it still has to pagans and wiccans today? Plenty of em still around, I've known many in my time, and Halloween is their high holy day.

So what? Tell me what the sense is in refusing to have a party on some day because some fruitcakes think that day is holy? They don't dictate my actions. I don't care what they think is holy.

If you decide that you will or won't do something on a particular day simply because somebody else considers it holy, then it is YOU is who is observing and respecting that day.

156 posted on 11/04/2001 8:21:42 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
And goodness knows..it's SO important to party whenever you get a chance... geez you sound like a liberal... can't give up that ONE party for anything can we? I do what I think is right based on what God tells me is right or wrong..that's who runs my life, not the church of "let's party".
157 posted on 11/04/2001 8:48:57 AM PST by goodieD
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To: goodieD
My party years were in college, a long time ago. I don't drink and I don't attend parties unless I must.

You ignored the main point of my response, which is fine. I have no objection to how you wish to observe Halloween.

158 posted on 11/04/2001 9:00:58 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"You ignored the main point of my response, which is fine. I have no objection to how you wish to observe Halloween."

I never stated any objections. I just asked a few questions. Look at some of the rediculous emotional responses. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

159 posted on 11/04/2001 10:49:03 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Then why did you come here?

To this thread? To challenge your agressive egotism, of course. No doubt you don't see your posts in this light. That's the problem.

160 posted on 11/04/2001 11:04:57 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington
Then why did you come here?

To this thread? To challenge your agressive egotism, of course. No doubt you don't see your posts in this light. That's the problem.

Your problem, not mine...

161 posted on 11/04/2001 11:08:30 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Your problem, not mine...

Quite the contrary. Aggressive egotists constantly inflict themselves upon the rest of us. They tear down traditions they haven't begun to understand in the name of their self-proclaimed superior reasoning.

To the extent you fit this description, you make yourself a problem. Hopefully not an intractable one.

162 posted on 11/04/2001 11:22:03 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I never stated any objections.

Who said you did? My response wasn't directed to you.

163 posted on 11/04/2001 11:26:00 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DouglasKC
Satan can masquerade as harmless and even good. does it all the time. Subtle smoke and mirrors and slight of hand are his tactics against Christians. He knows he cannot be brazen and outwardly honest. No Christian worth his salt would fall for the obvious. That's why we must be ever vigilant. The deception can be so smooth it is hard to notice.

Personally I think the best thing to do is every now and again take stock and analyse everything you do, feel and believe. Think it over carefully with the help of the Holy Spirit and make the necessary changes where needed. I'm not saying just do what you feel between these sessions. Ongoing and eternal vigilance is best, but searching yourself every now and again will help expose those things that get through the cracks.

God Bless

164 posted on 11/04/2001 11:31:51 AM PST by america76
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Do you likewise know what Christmas is about? Satan Claus all dressed in red setting everyone up for a day of greed, lust, drunkeness and gluttoney? The pagan earth worship of a tree with cheap tinsel trinkets?

Uhh, that's not the Christmas I celebrate.

165 posted on 11/04/2001 12:07:37 PM PST by It's me
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To: germanshepherd
I could be wrong, but I think Halloween is "Hallow e'en", or "Hallow even" (hallowed evening). It is the evening before All Saints Day, a Roman Catholic holiday. I think that's the origin.

Food for thought...

From Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness. Chap xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness...

[21] For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of successsion to St. Peter, their whole hiearchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily percieve that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen empire.

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

166 posted on 03/30/2002 4:30:55 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: savagesusie
November 1st is All Saints Day and the night prior to that is Hallow eve --so I consider Halloween as a Catholic Holiday--we are really honoring the dead and to be exact--the dead Saints.

Food for thought...

From Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness. Chap xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness...

[21] For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretense of successsion to St. Peter, their whole hiearchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily percieve that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen empire.

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

167 posted on 03/30/2002 4:35:07 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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