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Posted on 11/03/2001 5:06:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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Sir Francis Dashwood
"Occultist, 18th century. Organizer and Superior of a lewd Satanic circle known as the Medmenham Franciscans"
actually, most people would criticize you for being stupid, of being a pervert, n wasting a lot of peoples time Audio
lol, save it slappy.
'It's for the children. I heard enough of that crap in eight years of the Clintongs.'
Yeah, so much you can't tell what fun is anymore. Libs should ban things like Satan worship and pedophilia, they'd have a lot more success and cooperation from reasonable people. But then I don't expect much from people who don't believe in anything.
That most of all.
The guy's obviously a troll.
1698 Dashwood family acquire the estate at West Wycombe in Buckinghamshire from Thomas Lewes, who was married to a member of the Dashwood family.
1710 Sir Francis Dashwood Senior builds a square, red-bricked mansion in the Queen Anne style, at West Wycombe (The Dashwood family made a great fortune trading with Turkey and China in the 17th century, and had links with West Wycombe since 1670).
1721- 1742 Sir Robert Walpole, first Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
1724 Not yet 16, Sir Francis Dashwood succeeded to his fathers baronetcy and estate at West Wycombe his tutor was said to have been a Catholic Jacobite, the family having mild Jacobite leanings. Dashwood was later to write of Charles Edward Stuart, the Young Pretender, to Earl Sandwich:
E "I am at one with this gallant Prince, he has all the gifts of a true leader and above all he is honest. But I detest most heartily the fripperies of Rome which emanate from his entourage Should the Prince truly come into his own, it is difficult to see how he could keep away from their influence".
1729- 1731 Sir Francis Dashwood visits Italy no letters extant.
1730 Chevalier Andrew Ramsay, The Travels of Cyrus: E " stood the statue of the Goddess (Isis), coverd with a veil, upon which were represented the figures of the celestial and terrestrial bodies; on the other side was the statue of Harpocrates, holding one hand upon his mouth, and pointing to the Goddess on the other."
1733 Sir Francis Dashwood visits the new capital of Russia, St Petersburg where he masqueraded as the late Charles XII of Sweden, former adversary of Peter the Great.
1734- 1735 Sir Francis Dashwood visits Greece and Turkey no letters have survived. It could have been during this tour that Dashwood came across the idea to record what was left of the shattered Temples of the ancient world before they disappeared forever.
1735 Sir Francis Dashwood joined the Sublime Society of Beefsteaks.
1736 Formation of the Dilettante Society devoted to "eating, drinking and discussing the arts". When it acquired status and money, Dashwood became very active in promoting expeditions of architects and draughtsmen to survey and draw reconstructions of the almost-lost classical ruins. E The box containing the Minute-Book and Dinner-Money was called Bacchus Tomb, which resembled a miniature Roman sarcophagus, its lid designed by the artist, George Knapton.
1736 Extract from Chevalier Andrew Ramsays Oration: E
"Yes Gentlemen, the famous festivals of Ceres at Eleusis, of Isis at Egypt, of Minerva at Athens, of Urania among the Phoenicians, and of Diana in Scythia had a relationship to ours (Freemasons). They celebrated mysteries, in which were several vestiges of the ancient Religion of Noah and the Patriarchs" (Ramsay was a Jacobite Freemason).
1735- 1771 Creation of the House and Park by Dashwood, where the myth of Bacchus and Ariadne proved to be of particular significance to him. The Milanese painter, Giuseppi Borgnis worked on the House for the rest of his life (1751 onwards), with his son taking over and continuing on with the work.
E On the ceiling of the Great Salon there was painted a vast picture of the Admission of Psyche into the realms of the Gods, based on a painting by Raphael. E The Dining-Room ceiling bears the theme of the Triumph of Bachus and Ariadne, based on a Caracci painting in the Palazzo Farnese in Rome. E The central section of the ceiling of the lower Colonnade has a painted fresco depicting Bacchus crowning Ariadne.
1738 Excavations began at Herculaneum, Italy, sponsored by the King of Naples digging in Pompeii began 10 years later.
1739 Dashwoods second visit to Italy, where he met Prince Charles Edward Stuart in Rome, the Young Pretender, grandson of King James II who was forced to abandon the English Throne half a century earlier. This was followed by his prank at the Sistine Chapel which Horace Walpole described thus: E
"It was on Good-Friday, when each person who attends the service in the Sistine Chapel, as he enters takes a small scourge from an attendant at the door. The chapel is dimly lighted, and there are three candles which are extinguished by the priest, one by one: at the putting out of the first, the penitents take off one part of their dress; at the next, still more; and in the darkness which follows the extinguishing of the third candle, lay on their shoulders, with groans and lamentations .Sir Francis Dashwood, thinking this mere stage effect, entered with others, dressed in a large watchmans coat, demurely took his scourge from the priest and advanced to the end of the chapel, where, on the darkness ensuing, he drew from beneath his coat an English horsewhip and flogged right and left quite down the chapel and made his escape, the congregation exclaiming Il Diavolo! Il Diavolo! and thinking the evil one was upon them with a vengeance. The consequences of this frolic might have been serious to him, had he not immediately left the Papal dominions."
1740 Charles de Brosse, a French visitor to Rome, referred to a "Chevalier Ashewd", who took the leading part in a mock conclave during the election of a new Pope that year, dressed up as Cardinal Ottiboni being one of the three Cardinals who advised Pope Clement XII to act against Freemasonry he also claimed that Dashwood had a repertory of licentious songs against the Papacy, possibly the poems of Pietro Aretinos verses against various ecclesiastical practices: evidence suggests that Dashwood bought a copy of Aretinos work for his library at West Wycombe.
1741 Dashwood elected as Member of Parliament for New Romney.
1742 Entry in the Minute Book of the Dilettante Society: E "That every member of the Society do make a present of his Picture in Oil Colours, drawn by Geo. Knapton, a member, to be hung up in the Room where the said Society meets." (Dashwood was depicted as a Monk, a glass of wine in his hands, his attention fixed at Venus, with the inscription San Francesco Di Wycombo in the form of a Halo around his head Hogarth later painted a version of this).
1744 Dashwood founder-member of the short-lived Divan Club, terminated in 1746. Qualification for membership having been to a part of the Sultans Empire; and wearing a Turban at its meetings ("The Harem" was a regular toast at its dinners).
1745 Dashwood marries the widow, Lady Sarah Ellis, described by Horace Walpole as "a poor, forlorn Presbyterian prude" the marriage produced no children, being based solely upon mutual esteem and affection.
1746 Sir Francis Dashwood elected member of The Royal Society.
1747 Dashwood re-elected as Member of Parliament for New Romney.
1748 Dashwood organises the construction of a new road at West Wycombe a two-mile stretch of the London to Oxford road connecting High Wycombe and West Wycombe which had fallen into disrepair (completed in 1752). E Caves were produced as a result of the excavations for road-material: a tunnel runs on, sloping downwards, crossing an underground stream and ending at a small circular chamber a quarter of a mile from the entrance. None of the tunnelling beyond the main cave, which has a Gothick front and side walls, was necessary for the road-building.
1749 Thomas Nugent, The Grand Tour (4 Volumes) a guidebook for tourists.
1751 The Duffield family lease Medmenham Abbey, on the Thames near Marlow, to Dashwood who then sent his builders and gardeners from West Wycombe to transform the House into a Clubhouse a carefully ruined square tower was added to one end of the building and a cloister of three arches along the side of the House facing the river; stained-glass windows of a vaguely ecclesiastical nature replacing plain ones, with Giuseppi Borgnis painting frescos in parts of the Abbey and Maurice-Louis Jolivet replanning the gardens. E Over the main door of the Abbey are the celebrated words of Rabelais: Fay Ce Que Voudras ("Do As You Will"). E The surviving correspondence and fragments of the cellar-book demonstrate that the members of the Club were almost Dashwoods local friends and family membership included Francis Duffield and John Wilkes, MP for Aylesbury (known as "Brother John of Aylesbury"). E Typical Menu: "Soupe de Sante; Soupe au bourgeoisie; carp; pupton of partridge; Cullets a la Maine; beef; Huffle of ., a stewed Lyon; and Pain Perdu." E According to Wilkes, at one end of the Dining-Room there stood a figure of Harpocrates, the Egyptian god of silence, with a finger to his lips, and, at the other end, the figure of the obscure goddess Angerona in the same pose.
1752 Survey map of West Wycombe Park drawn by Maurice-Louis Jolivet a little stream was dammed to make a lake with islands and a cascade; trees were planted and a broad walk created.
1752 Tower of church of St Lawrence raised and capped with a Golden Ball 80 feet above ground, seven feet across, with a trap-door for access with wooden seats inside to accommodate three or four people. E John Wilkes, along with the Rev Charles Churchill, was invited for "divine milk punch" in the Golden Ball in 1763. He wrote " the magnificent gilt ball on the top of the steeple, which is hollowed and made so very convenient in the inside for the celebrations not of devotional, but of convivial rites the best Globe Tavern I was ever in I must own that I was afraid my descent from it would have been as precipitate as his Lordships was from a high station, which turned his head, too. I admire likewise the silence and secrecy which reigns in that great globe, undisturbed, by his jolly songs very unfit for the profane ears of the world below".
1753 Robert Wood, Ruins of Palmyra who was elected as member of the Dilettante Society in 1763.
1754 Dashwood re-elected Member of Parliament for New Romney.
1754 Letter to John Wilkes from Richard Grenville, 1st Earl Temple: E
"It is very gracious of the pious Aeneas, after his love-feast, to keep up friendship with one who has so slender a claim to be admitted to the table of the Saints. I shall only now and then drink to the pious memory of the delightful moments I have spent in your wicked company".
1757 Dashwood commissioned as Colonel of the Bucks Militia by the Lord-Lieutenant of Buckinghamshire, Richard Grenville, 1st Earl Temple. Dashwood appointed John Wilkes to be his Lieutenant-Colonel.
1757 Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) elected member of The Royal Society.
1758 Letter from Sir William Stanhope to Sir Francis Dashwood, in which he said that he was sending some books to the Abbey, "hoping they will now and then occasion an extraordinary ejaculation to be sent up to Heaven."
1761 Sir Francis Dashwood elected as Member of Parliament for Weymouth & Melcombe Regis.
1762 Nicholas Revett & James Athenian Stuart, The Antiquities of Athens written under the auspices of the Dilettante Society.
1762 John Hall Stevenson, Crazy Tales referring to "Franciscan Makaronies of Medmenham and the brethren of Pall Mall, who make use of a Latin of their own manufacture Makaroni Latin". E
Stevenson, once a welcome guest at Medmenham Abbey, founded the Demoniacks Club in 1733 at Skelton Castle in Yorkshire, which he inherited and renamed "Crazy Castle".
1762 Sir Francis Dashwood, against his wishes, appointed as Chancellor of the Exchequer; also against the wishes of George Doddington with John Wilkes jibing that Dashwood was incapable of reckoning-up a Tavern Bill resulting in friction developing between rival politicians belonging to the same club.
1762 Sir Francis Dashwood rebuilt the nave, stripped the chancel and redesigned the whole interior of St Lawrences church being a reconstruction of the interior of the Temple of the Sun at Palmyra, near Damascus. When it was re-opened on 3 July 1763, the Gentlemans Magazine commented: "it is reckoned the most beautiful country church in England". Ev Mrs Libbe-Powys - " it gives one not the least idea of a place sacred to religious worship. Tis a very superb Egyptian Hall, no pews, pulpit or desk except two ornamental seats which answer the two latter purposes. The font is shown as an elegant toy; in fine, it has only the appearance of a neat ballroom with rows of forms on each side". E
John Wilkes - "Some churches have been built for devotion, others from parade of vanity. I believe this is the first church which has ever been built for a prospect built on the top of a hill for the convenience and devotion of the town at the bottom of it". E
Rev Charles Churchill: "A temple built aloft in air That serves for show and not for prayer". E
On the ceiling of the chancel, Giovanni Borgnis painted an original Last Supper where the eyes of Judas Iscariot followed everyone around the whole chancel.
1763 Sir Francis Dashwood appointed as Lord Despenser later as Lord-Lieutenant of Buckinghamshire.
1763 " there are two orders of Friars, a Superior, comprising the Apostles, and an Inferior, including visitors and those yet not elected to the inner councils of the Order". Also adding that there was a "chapel" (ie. a Chapter Room) in the Abbey, "but nobody is suffered to go into it but the members. It is said to be furnished with bawdy pictures the decorations may well be supposed to have contained the quintessence of their mysteries, since it was impenetrable to any but the initiated". Description of an unauthorised visit to Medmenham Abbey by Horace Walpole, in Journals of Visits to Country Seats (a poet, the youngest son of Sir Robert Walpole, who settled in Twickenham at Strawberry Hill, turning the house into a pseudo-Gothic showplace).
1763 John Almon & John Wilkes, The New Foundling Hospital For Wits: E "No profane eye has ever dared to penetrate into the English Eleusinian Mysteries of the Chapter Room, where the monks assembled on solemn occasions, the more secret rites were performed and libations poured forth in much pomp to the BONA DEA ("Divine Mother"). I shall only venture to relate what many mortal eyes have seen, and "Let it be right (ie. not sacrilegious) for me to report what I have heard"(in Latin). At the end of the passage over the door was AUDE HOSPES CONTEMNERE OPES ("Dare, O guest, to despise wealth")." E "The garden, in the grove, the orchard, the neighbouring woods, all spoke the loves frailties of the younger monks, who seemed at least to have sinned naturally at the entrance of a cave was Venus, stooping to pull a thorn out of her foot. The statue turned from you (in such a position that any intruder would unexpectedly bump into the hindpart of the nude Goddess of Love), and just over the two nether hills of snow were the lines of Virgil: This is the place where the road divides itself into two directions; this way is the path to Elysium for us; but the left one is the place for punishments of the wicked, and leads to impious Tartarus (in Latin)." E "The favourite doctrine of the Abbey was certainly not penitence, for in the centre of the orchard was a very grotesque figure, and in his hand a reed stood flaming tipt with fire, to use Miltons words, and you might trace out Peni Tento, non Penitenti ("Penis tense, not Penitence"). On the pedestal was a whimsical representation of Trophonius Cave, from whence all creatures were said to come out melancholy. Among that strange, dismal group, you might, however, remark a cock crowing and a Carmelite laughing. The words Gallum Gallinaceum Et Sacerdotem Gratis were only legible". (The latter Latin inscription referred to the Latin saying meaning, "Every creature is melancholy after sexual intercourse except a barnyard cock and a priest getting it for nothing".) E "Among the amusements they had sometimes a mock celebration of the more ridiculous rites of the foreign orders of the Church of Rome, of the Franciscans in particular, for the gentlemen had taken that title from their founder, Sir Francis Dashwood."
1763 Anonymous piece placed by John Wilkes in The Public Advertiser: E "This day is published a New Ludicrasto called Secrets of a Convent, etched by that droll novice Pietro Apastino and published by Matt Darly a print depicting Dashwood in a monks robe, seated before an altar on which stood a replica of the Medici Venus, a glass of wine in his hand, and on the floor a book inscribed Hymns by Ovid. Beside Dashwood stands the figure of Paul Whitehead with his book, Memoirs, under his arm. Beneath the picture is the poem: E"Once on a Time, as Fame reported, When Friar Paul St Francis courted, Thus Francis answerd, Youre no Novice, You well deserve the Jewel Office. A Place of Trust your Faith will suit, You shall demand it at Laird Boot, Your MANNERS, Morals, Virtues, Grace, Call loudly for a goodly Place, Success attend you, Ill be blunt, My dearest Brother, here is .."
1764 Attack on John Montagu, Earl of Sandwich, by the Rev Charles Churchill in The Candidate: E"While womanhood, in habit of a nun, At Medmenham lies, by backward monks undone, A nations reckoning, like an ale-house score, Whilst Paul the Aged chalks behind the door, Compelled to hire a foe to cast it up, Dashwood shall pour from a communion cup, Libations to the goddess without eyes, And hob or nob in cider and excise."
1765 Charles Johnstone, Chrysal: The Adventures of a Guinea, a comic-novel published anonymously. E Volume 3 referred to a group of noted persons who met on an island in the Thames in a building, "erected by a person of flightly imagination on the mode of monasteries he had seen in other countries", for the purpose of indulging in nameless vices and worshipping the Devil "No servants were ever permitted in the chapel of the monastery, as the very decorations of it would have betrayed their secrets, the ceiling being covered with emblems and devices too gross to require explanation to the meanest capacity, and the walls painted with the portraits of those whose names and characters they assumed, represented in attitudes and actions horrible to imagine The diffidence and conscious guilt made them (the Brothers) even distrust each other till bound to secrecy by oaths and imprecations." E This was also the source of the story regarding the release of a Baboon during the summoning-up of the Devil at the Abbey, which had been hidden in a chest, "dressed in the fantastic garb in which childish imagination clothes devils". This frightened one of the Brothers to the extent of him crying out: "Spare me, gracious Devil, I am as yet but half a Sinner; I have never been as wicked as I intended!" Johnstone, who was never invited to Medmenham, implied that Wilkes was the practical joker and that Sandwich was the victim. (John Wilkes had been expelled from the House of Commons the previous year for publishing a seditious newspaper, The North Briton. At the same time, Lord Sandwich had damaged Wilkes moral standing by reading to the House of Lords a bawdy poem, the celebrated Essay on Woman, a parody of the works of Alexander Pope to the composition of which Wilkes had enthusiastically contributed.)
1765 Construction of the of the Mausoleum Monument completed, beside the church of St Lawrence a hexagonal structure with 12 Tuscan columns, based on the Emperor Constantines Triumphal Arch in Rome (a painting of it still hangs at West Wycombe), and Rabelais Abbey of Thélème (Dashwood had two copies of Rabelais, one in French and one in English). The six-sided shape could also be a reference to the Cabala its sixth emanation being the Sephiroth, representing the divine force that impels life to continue and symbolised by the Sun (Christian Cabalists associate it with Christ). The catalogue of Dashwoods library included a copy of Conjectura Cabalistica, published by Henry More in 1653. E The Mausoleum was originally built with the money of £500 left to Dashwood by George Dodington, who died in 1762, for "building an arch, temple, column or additional room" as a memorial to their long friendship. Inside the Mausoleum, the name of George Dodington, Baron Melcombe Regis, was carved in great letters and, in a niche, was a portrait-bust of him.
1766 Sir Francis Dashwood appointed as Postmaster-General.
1766 John Tucker, a founder-member of the Club at Medmenham Abbey, wrote in consternation to Dashwood: "I was last Sunday at Medmenham and to my amazement found the Chapter Room stripped naked."
1768 John Wilkes, Political Register: E "At a place called Medmenham Abbey in Buckinghamshire indeed was a society of gentlemen who had sometimes a mock celebration of the ridiculous rites of the Monkish orders."
1769 Dashwoods wife died buried in the family vault in St Lawrences church. A memorial to her was built in the very centre of the hexagonal Mausoleum: a stone canopy on four columns, beneath which was an urn on a tall plinth, with the words, "May this Cenotaph, sacred to the Virtues and Graces that constitute female Excellence, perpetuate the memory of Sarah, Baroness Le Despenser, who finished a most exemplary life January the 19th 1769".
1770 Addition of a west-wing to the House, being a replica of the Temple of Bacchus at Telos, near Smyrna, from drawings made by Nicholas Revett for the Dilettante Society having three pictures by William Hannan above a statue of Bacchus: in the centre the Chariot of the Night, on one side a Bacchic procession, and on the other Bacchus crowning Ariadne (copied from a work by Guido Reni). The west-wing became the new main entrance to the House, the drive through the Park being relaid to take visitors there.
1771 Opening of the newly constructed west-wing of the House a staged celebration was organised by Dashwood, who invited many of his friends. From an eyewitness account contained in Thomas Langley, The History of Antiquities of the Hundred of Desborough (1797): E "The delightful gardens of West Wycombe were opened to the public and a novel exhibition took place in one of the rural walks. A fine portico at the west end of the house has been lately erected (in imitation of that of the Temple of Bacchus) for the dedication of which a Bacchanalian procession was formed of Bacchanals, Priests, Pans, Fauns, Satyrs, Silenus, etc., all in proper habits and skins wreathed with vine leaves, ivy, oak, etc. On the arrival of the procession in the portico the High Priest addressed the Statue in an Invocation which was succeeded by several hymns, and other pieces of music vocal and instrumental suitable to the occasion, and having finished the sacrifice proceeded through the grove to a Tent pitched among several others at the head of the lake where the Paeans and libations were repeated then ferrying to a vessel adorned with colours and streamers, again performed various ceremonies with discharges of cannon and bursts of acclamations from the populace. The ceremony was finished by a congratulatory address or ode to the Deity of the place. Several of the company wore masques on this occasion."
1773 Anonymous piece in Town and Country Magazine: E "(The Franciscans) always meet in one general set at meals, where, for the improvement of mirth, pleasantry, and gaiety, every member is allowed to introduce a Lady of a cheerful disposition."
1773 Benjamin Franklin, the American Deputy Postmaster-General, guest at West Wycombe. He wrote: E
"I am in this house as much at my ease as if it was my own, and the gardens are a paradise. But a pleasanter thing is the kind countenance, the facetious and very intelligent conversation of Mine Host, who, having been for many years engaged in public affairs, seen all parts of Europe, and kept the best company in the world, is himself the best existing." E " the exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced by the Lord Le Despenser at West Wycombe, whimsical and puzzling as it may sometimes be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it." E
With Benjamin Franklin, Dashwood produced a revised edition of the Book of Common Prayer for the Church of England, entitled The Franklin Prayer Book, omitting all readings from the Old Testament, which became popular in America but was rejected by the British Bishops.
1774 Paul Whitehead, former Steward and keeper of the Minute-Book of the Medmenham Club, died wishing his body to be left to science but his heart preserved: " that my heart be taken out the purchase of a marble urn , in which I desire it may be deposited and placed in some corner of his Mausoleum, as a Memorial of its Owners warm attachment to the Noble Founder." His wish was granted his heart was placed on a black-draped bier carried by six soldiers of the Bucks Militia, the choir of St Lawrences church singing a specially composed piece for the occasion as the procession entered the hexagonal monument: "From Earth to Heaven, Whiteheads soul is fled, Immortal glories beam around his head ." E The Greek god Dionysus died by being torn to pieces and eaten by his ecstatic worshippers his heart was preserved in a basket, from which he was reborn, according to Diodorus Siculus. Surviving vase-paintings and fragments of reliefs show that "heart" was a euphemism for "penis".
1775 Baptismal Register: "Jan 12th, Rachel Fanny Antonina, daughter of Lord Le Despenser and Frances Barry." John Hall Stevenson, in his Monkish Epitaphs, criticised Dashwood for being interested in a woman less than half his age: E "Who knows but you may fall in love Like Dashwood, when you are sixty-three The Caput Mortuum, we descry, Of vice in Harringtons ananity, But in a dotards love-sick eye, The Caput Mortuum of insanity."
1776 Dashwood acquires the lease of Round Tar Island from Sir Thomas Stapleton, on the River Thames between Cookham and Marlow, as a base for boating and fishing.
1777 Captain Edward Thompson, The Life and Poems of Paul Whitehead which included a brief life of the author in a Preface: E Thompson claimed that Whitehead burnt a large quantity of papers during the last three days before his death (Langley assumed that these included the Minute-Book). E Thompson referred to a claim made by Whitehead, that "San Francesco obtained from Coustance (a notorious book dealer) the most cryptic and hell-invoking book from which our rites were most efficaciously parodied." E On the Medmenham Club, Thompson concluded "Now all that can be said from the publication of these ceremonies is, that a set of worthy, jolly fellows, happy disciples of Venus and Bacchus, got occasionally together, to celebrate Woman in wine; and, to give more zest to the festive meeting, they plucked every luxurious idea from the ancients, and enriched their own modern pleasures with the addition of classical luxury."
1778 Dashwood gave up the lease of Medmenham Abbey, the property being sold to Robert Sawyer of Heywood, Berkshire.
Sir Francis Dashwood died whilst preparing to go on another Tour to Italy, having been in ill health for some time, and leaving about £6,000 worth of wine in his cellars. He altered his will just before his death, leaving almost everything to his illegitimate son Francis by the actress Frances Barry. He was buried beside his wife and parents in the family vault in St Lawrences church.
Can you guess my source???
Most God-Believing families don't observe pagan holidays.
It surely has become something different, including the pagan/occult elements of which you speak, which I find very unappetizing. I agree that most people have no idea what it is about. They think it's about costumes and candy, just as they mistake the true or original meaning of many other holidays.
My all time pet peeve is to hear someone call Thanksgiving "Turkey Day",-- as though it's just a day to eat a lot of turkey and pie; when it is actually a very sacred day: a day for Americans to give humble and heartfelt thanks to God for all the good we have, and all the good this great nation is.
Some of the the responses are most emotional. Almost fanatic over Halloween. I have learned much from Roy Masters who says things do have meanings...
I'm a christian.
I don't celebrate halloween. I do give out candy, and if my children choose to dress up and go out themselves, they're allowed to do so.
I celebrate Christmas because traditionally it's considered the Lord's birthday. And I thank God everyday for the Lord.
I celebrate Easter, also. It's the day Christ, after suffering for us, arose from the tomb, conquered sin, and freed us from the fear of death.
Many people celebrate these holidays with little more in mind than giving and recieving gifts, or hunting easter eggs. But for those of us who believe, these days are about much, much more. And unless you believe, it's not something you'd understand. God bless.
What better way to tromp on a pagan holiday than to hijack it and turn it into a kids holiday?
It's a reason to have fun, and nobody gives a hoot about any archaic religious significane it once might have had to a bunch of people who are long since dead.
You are so close. All you need is a little faith. Will pray for you. By the way, let me head you off... Easter... more of the same.
Dude, the way you think and speak, it looks like you really do not have a life, at least you do not know how to enjoy life and life's moments without dissecting it, to find out what is at the root of it.
You must be a bitter man, my friend and if you have any kids, I really DO feel sorry for them to grow up in your environment. Have you ever heard of "make believe" in your life? All kids need that, it looks like you never got it.
Life is harsh and real enough when you grow up, why not have a little fairy tale as a kid to enjoy,(nothing wrong as an adult either, let the inner kid be himself few days a year).
Yes. They choose to define themselves negatively, according to what they loathe viscerally--not according to what they might or might not understand rationally or spiritually.
The spirit of antichrist is an apt description.
There is a lot of truth in that.
Sir Francis Dashwood takes a stroll to contemplate his next post. ;-)
I think that the unwillingnes of many to engage in intellectual pursuit is the root of many problems in America. I guage this by the type of responses I have gotten here among my "conservative" allies...
So brayeth OWK.
That's about the third time you've thrown in a gratuitous mention of Roy Masters.
This is pretty ironic in the context of your griping about Christians celebrating Halloween considering that Roy Masters is an occultist kook himself.
Can you guess my source???
No and to be prefectly honest I really don't care(no flame), it's not like this stuff is hidden. I was taught this by the nuns who taught me back in the 50's.
Did you get some coal in your stocking last year?
Sheesh, some people find Christmas to be a joyous occasion without any political overtones. Peace on Earth and Good Will Toward Man. That sort of thing.
If you don't like it, ignore it. But don't try to define it for the rest of us because you couldn't be more wrong, dude.
A picture is worth a thousand words, or so the saying goes.
Don't forget Reformation Day
Few people who enjoy the holiday today have any idea of its origins and don't care. It's just a way for everyone to tap into the little kid inside who still likes to be scared...especially when we know the scares are not real.
Those determined to find evil in every corner or the too-tightly-wound may not understand how we can find such dark and disturbing images delightful. Maybe part of it is the creativity it takes to 'suspend our disbelief' long enough to allow the obviously-concocted scares to work their magic; maybe it's like 'whistling past the graveyard.'
Whatever it is, Halloweeniacs come together one night each year to let their hair down, to scream or instigate screams, to laugh and be laughed at...and to once again remember the heart-pounding excitement we felt as little kids building our courage to ring the bell on the door of a strange house....ready for anything....but getting candy.
And I for one hope I never outgrow that delight.
Cases of 'type 2' diabetes INCREASED by 40% between 1990 and 1999, and this increase is expected to accelerate in the years to come. Guess the children of America were 'tricked', after all.
Especially if you cannot read or write...
As a reformed, amillenial Christian who believes Satan was trounced, defeated, decimated...at the Cross, I see it as making a mockery of him.
The impression I get from his radio program is that he's a raving loony.
All the poor misguided Christians you're protecting from the evil of Halloween might want to read this as well.
"I am a man without sin" - Roy Masters
"I am in this house as much at my ease as if it was my own, and the gardens are a paradise. But a pleasanter thing is the kind countenance, the facetious and very intelligent conversation of Mine Host, who, having been for many years engaged in public affairs, seen all parts of Europe, and kept the best company in the world, is himself the best existing."
" the exquisite sense of classical design, charmingly reproduced by the Lord Le Despenser at West Wycombe, whimsical and puzzling as it may sometimes be in its imagery, is as evident below the earth as above it."
With Benjamin Franklin, Dashwood produced a revised edition of the Book of Common Prayer for the Church of England, entitled The Franklin Prayer Book, omitting all readings from the Old Testament, which became popular in America but was rejected by the British Bishops.
If you can not win on intellect, use vailed personal attacks.
Can't dissagree with that....
"I guage this by the type of responses I have gotten here among my "conservative" allies"
But you lost it here....
I haven't seen much in the way of intellectual persuit (Philosophy) anywhere in a long time and, while I consider myself to be a conservative, would find myself at odds with many "so-called conservative allies" on many issues. I don't know what types of responses you expected to get but if you expected them to be intellectual, you obviously must have some sort of faith...religion.
As an atheist, just what is it that you don't believe in?
That's just the half of it.
Or a cartoon...