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Posted on 11/05/2001 12:11:09 PM PST by Carol Roberts
My wife and I just obtained our Basic Firearm Safety Certificates. At the range we rented a Glock 9mm, S&W 38, and Sig Sauer 45. I found the recoil almost identical on each gun we tested (the wife didn't shoot the .45). About 25 years ago I shot a S&W 357 with magnum rounds and I remember the recoil was much more noticeable.
My wife is comfortable with the S&W 38 revolver and the Glock 9mm, but she only used the .38 in single action mode as she wasn't used to pulling the trigger all the way back, so the Glock 9mm will probably be best for her. She's not that strong so I'm a little concerned with her sliding the 9mm in a "situation". We'll be shooting our guns weekly for a while, but feel an urgency to make a purchase now. Comments/suggesions?
I'm interested in something bigger, perhaps Glock 10mm/357/.40/.45. According to glock the .40 caliber (Glock 23) "are so impressive that the FBI recently adopted them for issue".
From what we're told, it's not that difficult to get a concealed weapons permit where we live. So that raises the question of getting the smaller versions for concealment. Which raises accuracy, firepower, etc issues. Comments/suggesions?
BTW, when referring to Glock guns, is it best to refer to their model number or caliber?
For home protection I was also thinking of getting a 12 gauge shotgun (just gotta get close). The Winchester 1300 looks good. What's your opinion for using the 12 gauge for home protection?
My gut feel for my myself (not my wife's weapon) is the Glock 10mm and some .38 or .357 revolver for an ankle strapped backup, although I'm not too sure on brands for the revolver... Suggestions? Between the Glock 10mm, .356, .40 & .45, is the bigger the bore really the better? I guess that all depends, but what's your pick and why?
Of course there's my favorite from high school days/daze, the AR15, which I haven't really thought about since high school but always thought it would be a great weapon to help protect the neighborhood, such as in a "Red Dawn" situation.
Throwing knives are another issue... Suggestions?
Is there someplace to discuss firearm questions/issues on the net? Here?
Throwing knives take lots of practice to learn and are seldom if ever used effectively in a tense situation. They are more likely to just piss someone off than to seriously injure them.
If you want something quiet but deadly, check out a pistol-type crossbow.
Now that's something I hadn't even considered. Thanks.
I almost never tell anyone what they should purchase as a firearm becuase everyone is different. For a sidearm the best purchase is usually one that is relatively inexpensive to shoot. This gives the biggest advantage to the 9mm. It should be comfortable for both you and your wife. It must be reliable and easy to do the routine maintenence. For caliber any of the calibers mentioned will provide good emergency self defense protection. There are many compact easier to conceal variants in all the above callibers.
I would recommend finding a firearms dealer who is both honest and forthright asl arround at the range and where you got your course and purchase a good used first sidearm, the twelve gauge shotgun is one of the best home defense weapons ever devised and has been used in combat alongside many of the battle rifles. The Winchester is exellent and if you are comfortable with it that is what counts.
As to a rifle the AR15 variants are exellent and it is hard to really go wrong with that route. Here again a reliable gun dealer with used weapons is probably the most economical route.
In the final analysis you must choose what feels best to you.
Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - yorktown
You mentioned the 12 gauge for home defense - always a good choice. Winchester or Moss. are always good and not too expensive.
You might want to consider a Marlin lever action carbine rifle. They are pretty short(18 to 20 in barel) and come in .38 and .357 models. These hold 8 to 10 rounds. You can conceal these even in a vehicle pretty easily.
Good luck to your wife and I welcome another woman shooter. If possible before you decide let her try a short barrel Colt 45 or something built on that frame with the short trigger and I think that you will find that it will be a great fit for a small hand. I can even manager a double stack para-ordance 45. Hope this helps.
If you review data results for penetration/killing power on ordnance gel/goat tests, .45ACP and .357mag are right up there, but the .40's no slouch either. The Sig 220P is a great piece (I love Sigs.) Federal HydraShok is a nice cartridge in 45, I'm partial to Remington Golden Saber in .357 (have a nice Ruger SP101.)
The Sig, whether in 9mm or .45ACP is DA/SA; DA if you prefer to pull the hammer on the first shot, then SA thereafter, or cock first and be SA all the way.
You won't go wrong with the major calibers... don't be thrown off by the "locked and cocked" set who insist that 1911 .45 is the ONLY way to go. But whatever you guys choose, endeavor to fully master it (remember: better 1 hit with a .22 than 7 misses with a .45)
Pistols:Check out CZ-75B. Takes hi-cap mags. 9MM. Dependable weapon. GLOCKS are good but $$. I stay with 9MM. Ammo plentiful. Federal or Corbon gives an added boost. 10MM rather hard to find ammo.
.Rifle:Nothing wrong with ARs. I have a Colt MT6700. Best one I have ever owned. A real tack driver. Also consider an AK. An "all weather weapon." Buy NIB.Stick with better models, avoid those that have seen inside of "Cousin Earl's" gun shop. SLR-95 is best AK I have owned. Very accurate out of box-for an AK. Ammo cheap-1K rounds for $65. I rather like the thumbhole stock. Fits a hoghead like me better. Ballistically close to .30-.30. Magazines cheap. $5-10. Check the gun boards and manufacturers websites for further info. TONS of stuff out there! Good luck!
And the Winchester Trapper (18 inch barrel) comes in .44 Mag. :)
Besides, the slide action of chambering a round (a.k.a. "racking" the slide) is enough to send most intruders running! THAT is ideal!!!
Shotgun: Mossberg 590 with ghost-ring sights and parkerized or marinecote finish. High capacity (8+1 rounds), tough (one of very few military-approved models), built for defense, no room for confusion.
Throwing knives: ...you're going to give the bad guy your knife? uh...no.
I have taken three week-long courses there and recommend them without any hesitation. However there are other schools with good reputations (Thunder Ranch in Texas, for example.) Mental and physical training are more important than specific weapon selection IMHO.
I will be happy to make weapon recommendations, but only via freepmail. I don't have interest in all the uproar that results from such exchanges on threads.
Semi-Automatics can jam, though rare. They've also got safety's and such that you could screw up at a bad moment. Shotguns require two hands and you can't be prone. If you are injured or in an ackward position it might be difficult to use.
I got my first gun two years ago (a pump action shot gun), but after much discussion and reading on the topic, I'm convinced that a good revolver is the way to go.
Also I've found that I'm much more acurate with a revolver over a semi-auto.
I have a Ruger GP-100 .357 magnum in Stainless Steel with 4" barrel and adjustable sights. You can also use .38 special rounds in the .357 if you are concerned with recoil, but I think it's a matter of practice, the recoil is really no big deal at all.
I've found that in addition to being a practical means of security and peace of mind, it's actually a bunch of fun too. Good luck!
I am a big fan of the Model 1911 A1 .45 auto; however, if you can indeed obtain a CCW in California, and you really intend to carry often, then something that doesn't weigh so much, or bulge so much under a light coat/shirt/jacket is just the ticket. The weight consideration is probably the reason that THE cop pistol is the Glock Model 22 (or the smaller version the Glock 23) (the .40 Smith and Wesson cartridge.)The Glock Model 21 in .45 ACP or the Model 20 in 10 mm is quite a bit larger than the the other Glocks.
If I was going to carry, the Model 22 (or 23) would be my choice. However, if your previous experience with (I loathe to use the word) "handguns" is limited or non-existent, and you are not going to commit a lot of time to training (preferably with a qualified combat pistol instructor) and practice, then a short-barreled revolver (like the Smith and Wesson J-frame .357's) is just right. The revolver is a lot simpler to use and a lot safer in many respects.
As far as the AR 15 is concerned, unless you already owned one prior to Jan 1 2000, you are out of luck if you live in California. They have simply been banned (again, unconstitutionally in my mind, but the corrupt Cal SC has said its just fine). The Winchester 12 ga is good; I prefer the Remington 870 pump. Its probably the "work horse" shotgun in the US.
If the primary purpose of the pistol is concealed carry, make sure it is hammerless (to prevent snagging when drawn) and light (do you REALLY want a 37 oz., 6 in. barrrel pistol to carry around everywhere?)
If the primayr purpose is target and home protection, go ahead and get the larger framed model.
However, I NEVER recommend a semi auto to a novice.
P.S. stay away from the traitor gun mfr S&W. However, it is okay to buy used guns as S&W makes nothing from the sale.
Killing is not the issue.
Stopping the attacker is.
A small caliber well-placed may kill an assailant, but it may not stop him from killing you first.
His dying on the lawn six hours later, or the next day in a hospital does you little good.
Here's a simple rule for starting out:
In a revolver, get a 357 - 4 inch barrel is a good comprimise (no new S&W!!!)
In a semi: get a 9mm
Why? Cost of ammo. 9mm is the cheapest to shoot in a semi besides 22. The more you practice, the better you will be when you need it. Missing 5 times with a .40 s&w (more recoil than a 9mm) isn't better than 1 hit with a 9mm.
a 357 is a good revolver load- you can shoot cheaper 38 specials in it, and use .357 for defense, or even a .38+p load and still have very good stopping power.
The FBI went with a 10mm initially after a shootout in which some agents died. They found that many couldn't handle the recoil, and some agents couldn't hold the gun properly. They went with 40 as a comprimise. Many people even say the recoil of a 40 is sharper than gold ole' 45 acp.
BTW, did I mention not to get a new S&W??????
As far as shotguns go, the Mossberg 590 is, as far as I can tell, indestructable, but you have to ask yourself if you need to cough up that kind of money for a home defense weapon. The Remington 870 is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper, and probably more than adequate.
As far as edged weapons go, I'd suggest extensive training before you go that route. That's got to be anyone's last resort. Really.
Gotta disagree. I own a couple of long barreled .22 pistols, and while I certainly wouldn't feel naked armed with one, and they might be a reasonable choice for someone with arthritis, they are a lousy choice overall- ALL HANDGUNS ARE UNDERPOWERED- that includes your 357, your .45, your .40, what have you. Compared to center fire rifle rounds, handguns are weak, anemic little things. "Knockdown" power is a myth- I had a 9mm Triton +P go through my groin, down my hamstring, and out the back of my leg. I didn't even know I'd been hit- the muzzle blast of the gun stung my testicles so much I didn't even know I was bleeding until I saw the blood on the ground.
It didn't knock me down, it didn't stun me, I was still functional for a while. A .22, unless it hits dead on in the heart/head would be much less persuasive.
A .22 would be better than nothing, but certainly not much of a first choice.
Shotgun: Remington 870, 18" barrel, pistol-grip buttstock, 7-rd capacity; "00" buckshot. I carry it in my truck, on the floorboard or under the back seat, and at night, it's by the bed.
Rifle: British Lee/Enfield .303 Mark I No. 5 paratrooper's carbine, with original peep sights.
My pistol of choice would be a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP, with 10-round magazine. That'll be after I acquire my CCW.
I bought my wife a Kel-Tec 9MM. I had problems at first with this unit, where it had a nose-dive jam every time it was down to the last three rounds in the clip. New clip solved that one; hammerless double action, so no snags in purse or pocket.
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