Posted on 11/05/2001 7:44:48 PM PST by beacon
I seem to remember someone posting on one of the other threads that the name could be an alias because Gurung is the name of a mostly Muslim province in Nepal. I know nothing about the area, so I have no idea if that is true.
They refused to use 100s of former FBI agents who have volunteered to help. There's plenty of work for these agents to do. Good old fashion research is desperately needed by the FBI.
Does anybody know whether Subash Bahadur Gurung's name indicates his religion?I don't know, but his apartment manager called him "anti-social." Even if he turns out not to be Moslem, he may be a groupie for violent radicals.
Do you remember the case of the Japanese who was arrested on the NJ turnpike a few years ago with a carload of bombs? And which terrorist group he was working for?
They refused to use 100s of former FBI agents who have volunteered to help. There's plenty of work for these agents to do. Good old fashion research is desperately needed by the FBI.
I hadn't seen that. Presumably they're legally unable to give non-employees access to sensitive data. Maybe they're also afraid of plants, and they don't want to divert resources into checking these people out again? Or maybe they are just protecting their own turf, following regulations designed for a different, less hectic time.
In fact, there's a third Gurung who lives in another building on the same block in Chicago as Sabash Gurung and his brother Sushil. I have no idea if this third Gurung is related to the first two. (To give an idea of the commonness of the name, I looked up Gurung in an on-line phone directory. There were 2 more Gurung listings in Chicago beyond the ones I mentioned above, with 149 Gurung listings nationwide.)
Yes, there is a conection.
"Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, both of whom are from India, have leased the small, one-bedroom apartment, No. 202, for the past six or seven years, said the landlord, who requested anonymity.
"However, public records show that, as recently as last June, both men listed their residence as an apartment at 1025 W. Hollywood Ave. on Chicago's North Side."
This pins it down -- it's an article from Sept. 17 associating both Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath with the 1025 W. Hollywood Ave., Chicago, address that Sabash Gurung lived in with his brother.
When Gurung was arrested and gave 1025 W. Hollywood Ave., Chicago, as his address, the news media discovered that there was an Ayub Khan at the same address. The FBI then suggested that this was a coincidence of names, that the Ayub Ali Khan who was arrested did not live at that address.
This cannot be correct, however, since that specific address is given for Ayub Ali Khan in this 9/17 article, from well before the early November arrest of Gurung.
My guess is that Khan and Azmath really did live in Jersey City (based on their landlord's statement that they'd been there for years), and that they maintained the Chicago apartment as a meeting place in Chicago for a cell composed of Indians/Nepalese/Pakistanis. (The Sept. 11 attacks were carried out primarily by Saudis, so it appears that al-Qaeda organizes its cells along the lines of nationality. This makes sense anyway for encouraging trust among the cell members and fostering communication among them.)
Good sleuthing! This seems to have been a common practice in these terror cells -- maintaining multiple apartments in multiple cities.
One suspect who is a DIRECT LINK between the hijack suspects Azmath and Khan, and the anthrax suspects recently rounded up in Trenton, is Mohammad Pervez, who shared an apartment not only with Azmath and Khan in Jersey City, but also shared at least two other apartments in Trenton/Hamilton that were raided for anthrax testing.
Pervez is a naturalized U.S. citizen, a native of Pakistan.
We have a winner.
That is great work.
Now, why the disinformation on the part of the Fibbers?
To have the enemy relax, or to buy time before action that would be demended once the info is out, or to have the US citizens deluded for some unknown benefit, other reasons?
The answer to this question is, IMO, critical.
The FBI said that published reports on this were "not accurate." The newspaper reports that they deny say that both Khan and Gurung had lived at that address. Taken literally, this is probably false. Khan lived in Jersey City (at the Tonnele Ave. address we've seen); he probably maintained the Chicago apartment, but he probably didn't actually live there. Sabash Gurung also didn't actually live there, apparently; his brother Sushil lived there, and Sabash was just staying with him (temporarily?).
So the FBI may be telling the truth, just not the whole truth. (That's OK in principle -- they shouldn't be telling the public everything they know.)
Really appreciate it.
FBI Turns Down Hundreds of Ex-Agents Offering Help [but the CIA accepts help from former CIA agents] The info on the FBI turning down ex-agents is in this post. If it was security, I don't think the CIA would be accepting the help of their former agents.
Now, if we could only get the numbers of the two apartments in that apartment house in Chicago, or, rather, maybe of the one apartment, since I strongly suspect the apartment occupied by the two Nepalese brothers is precisely the same apartment that Khan and Azmath listed. I wonder if there's any way we can find out whether my suspicion is correct. Or maybe somebody on this board can give a reason why it has to be wrong.
By the way, I don't think there would be much in common, linguistically or culturally, between Muslims from Hyderabad and Nepalese, even if the Nepalese are also Muslim.
We in the United States are fosussing too much interest on the supposed nationaity of these terrorists. Their country of birth is insignificant to them, compared to their faith in Radical Islamism.
In an area of the world where most share a common bond of faith, the destructuion of the USA is a linking symbol that unites all these radicals.
Thy care not that one was born in Afganistan, another in Jordan, another is Libya.
What counts for them, what earns them a state of grace, is their zeal to kill all non-beleivers... and that is you and me.
That's an excellent point. But my fear is they are pulling more of the same--enlisting the "aid" of unreliable informants who will carry out other operations against us. They may be also attempting some kind of "damage control" in regards to crap they pulled earlier, which led to 9/11. That's why I ride them so hard. If they want my trust, they are going to have to earn it.
Remember that Atta left a rather detailed trail of his whereabouts before Sept. 11th. He was able to do so because nobody could have imagined what he was intending to do. We are no longer so inattentive.
Surely the scrawny Gerung was not intending to carry out an attack by himself (why take all those weapons if you're acting alone?). Either there were accomplices with reservations on the same flight in order to carry out a hijacking or Gerung was sent out on a test run to see how lax security at O'Hare was. Either way, he's not acting alone.
The FBI *may* be pretending to see no connection in hopes the accomplices will surface, emboldened that we "foolish Americans" have dropped the ball again and that they don't have to hide out until the search dies down.
My other thought is that, unlike liberals who celebrate "diversity", many foreigners wish to stick with their own kind. Therefore, there may be apartments overrun with similarly named foreigners who all find lodging within blocks of each other. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on two foreigners with similar addresses but I wouldn't dismiss the apparent link entirely either.
US court finds Gurung incompetent to stand trial
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KATHMANDU, April 24 : A Nepali man arrested in Chicago last year on charges of concealing weapons while boarding a flight has been found incompetent to stand trial.
According to the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper, Subash Gurung, who was arrested last year in November at the Chicago O’Hare International Airport while trying to board a domestic flight was found incompetent to stand trial by the federal district court.
US District Judge William J. Hibbler ruled on April 22 that Gurung will remain in a federal prison hospital at Rochester, Minnesota, for treatment. He could be tried again if he recovers. The newspaper said that the judge based his decision on the findings of two psychiatrists who examined Gurung.
Gurung, who faces a prison term or possible deportation, was arrested on November 3 last year at the airport while trying to board a flight to Omaha, Nebraska. Security officials found several knives, a stun gun and a can of pepper spray in his carry on luggage.
The Chicago Sun-Times added that the judge ordered attorneys to report back to the court on June 24 on what progress doctors are making in restoring Gurung’s competency.
Gurung’s arrest was the first high-profile case involving lax of US airport security after the horror of September 11, when 19 hijackers slipped through security at various US airports and took control of large jets full of passengers. They slammed the jets on the World Trade Centre Twin Towers in New York, and also on the Pentagon in Washington.
The apparent lack of airport security demonstrated by Gurung’s arrest helped convince America’s politicians to put airport security workers on the federal payrolls. Earlier, airport security was mostly contracted out to private companies.
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