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'L.I.E.' Is Infomercial For North American Man-Boy Love Association
Toogood Reports ^ | November 7, 2001 | Louis P. Sheldon

Posted on 11/07/2001 4:14:46 AM PST by Starmaker

"L.I.E.," an NC-17 film released in theaters last week has been getting rave reviews from film critics and homosexuals. The film just won two awards at the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Film Festival (also known as the "Outfest"): The Grand Jury Award for OUTstanding American Narrative Feature and tied for the Grand Jury Award for OUTstanding Actor, giving the award to Paul Franklin Dano, the young boy who is pursued by a middle-aged child molester.

Michael Cuesta is the director of the film and wrote the screenplay with Stephen Ryder and his brother Gerald Cuesta. The film was produced by Lot 47 Films in association with Alter Ego/Belladonna. (Belladonna provides production services for European commercial, music video, and TV production companies. They have done work for AT&T and American Express, plus music videos for groups like N'Sync, and KRS-One.) Lot 47 Films co-owner Jeff Lipsky helped distribute "Lolita" when he was with the Samuel Goldwyn Company.

"L.I.E.," which stands for Long Island Expressway, tells a sympathetic story of Howie, a 15-year-old boy who is pursued by Big John Harrigan, a former Marine and child molester. Harrigan is played by British actor Brian Cox.

Film critic Rex Reed, writing in "The New York Observer," says, ".Resist all temptations to avoid this exceptional film because of its subject matter (pedophilia) and see 'L.I.E.' fast. Trust me on this. You will experience one of the most profoundly moving motion pictures this year."

"Guide" magazine, a mainstream homosexual publication has criticized the Motional Picture Association of America (MPAA) for giving this film an NC-17 rating. A "Guide" editorialist noted that "'L.I.E.' is being muzzled because it suggests that the relationship between an adult man and a teenage boy, a relationship first sparked by sexual interest but never consummated, need not be monstrous."

"Guide" continues: "That a boylover might have an interest in a boy that transcends sex, that he might act responsibly, that he might provide the love missing in an adolescent's life, that he might be something other than the predatory monster everywhere else depicted-these are the ideas that so offend the MPAA." ("Guide" magazine employs as its feature editor Bill Andriette, the former editor of the North American Man-Boy Love Association [NAMBLA] Bulletin.)

One of "L.I.E's" screenwriters is Stephen Ryder, who teaches writing at New York University. Ryder was recently asked in an Internet interview how he managed to make the child molester character so charming. He replied, "That was my plan [laughter]-My evil plan." Ryder then explains that he considers the relationship between Big John and Howie to be "consensual" and that men like Big John are "just regular ordinary non-felonious people."

Big John is the most likable character in the movie. He is both cultured and patriotic. Howie's father is a womanizer who ignores the boy. Howie's best friend is a sociopathic male prostitute and another friend is having an incestuous relationship with his sister. Howie and his friends spent their leisure time robbing houses and discussing sex acts. Big John comes along and "helps" Howie when his life falls apart.

"L.I.E." is an infomercial for NAMBLA, and homosexuals and "sophisticated" film critics are applauding it. This film will undoubtedly give encouragement to homosexual child molesters who will readily identify with Big John Harrigan as he pursues his sexual prey. By mainstreaming pedophilia through films like "Lolita" and "L.I.E." Lot 47 Films owners are helping to contribute to our culture's rising levels of child abuse and molestation.

The director, screenwriters, actors, and the production company all share the guilt for producing a film that portrays pedophilia in a sympathetic light. This effort is also being aided and abetted by homosexual film groups and by mainstream homosexual magazines that obviously favor the sexual seduction of boys.

Step-by-step, homosexual activists are softening up public opinion on the issue of adult/child sex, which is euphemistically referred to in their publications as "intergenerational intimacy." We are unaware of any mainstream homosexual group condemning this film. Will PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) condemn this? Will GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network) teachers and parents condemn it?

When will the homosexual/pedophile assault against children stop? It will only stop when the public becomes outraged enough to put an end to homosexual recruitment programs in our public schools and when our legislators have the courage to say "No!" to the homosexual agenda. When will this happen? That is up to you.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: communistsubversion; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 11/07/2001 4:14:47 AM PST by Starmaker
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To: Starmaker
"When will the homosexual/pedophile assault against children stop?" It will stop when the resistant strain catches up with them.
2 posted on 11/07/2001 4:20:53 AM PST by latrans
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To: Starmaker
Allow me to repeat my personal queer rant one more time . . .

Oak Hay, I'm disturbed and puzzled about how a small bunch of contrary to nature freaks can destroy our whole civilization !!! These unsavory and unclean creatures delight in ramming their urine exhaust pipes into the rectal relief tubes of young boys (and of each other) !!! They brag and crow loudly about their filthy behavior !!! They demand access to our young and innocent children, so they can commit sodomy and oral sex acts upon them !!! Then they scream and holler "Homophobe"... when we seek to save our children from their filthy and immoral activities !!! WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE IN THIS ONCE-FREE REPUBLIC ??? DO WE NOT HAVE THE RIGHT AND MORAL DUTY TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM SLIME LIKE THIS ???

3 posted on 11/07/2001 4:28:53 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Starmaker
A, truly, target-rich environment!
4 posted on 11/07/2001 4:29:53 AM PST by Chapita
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To: Starmaker
This is giving me a headache.
5 posted on 11/07/2001 4:41:07 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Starmaker
Look out ... the FR Homophobia Police are coming ...
6 posted on 11/07/2001 4:42:12 AM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: Starmaker
a former Marine and child molester

This crap just 3 days from the Corps birthday? Chesty is gonna come back and whip some screenwritin' ass!

7 posted on 11/07/2001 4:42:12 AM PST by Buffalo Bob
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To: Starmaker
Thank you for the post. We need to become aware of garbage like this getting high marks from the film critics.
8 posted on 11/07/2001 4:49:54 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Look out, the anti-child liberals are here.
9 posted on 11/07/2001 4:56:29 AM PST by goodieD
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To: Starmaker
The Grand Jury Award for OUTstanding American Narrative Feature and tied for the Grand Jury Award for OUTstanding Actor, giving the award to Paul Franklin Dano, the young boy who is pursued by a middle-aged child molester.

Grand Jury?

Interesting name for the Awards Committee.

And not the last time these freaks will be before one, methinks....

10 posted on 11/07/2001 4:59:19 AM PST by IncPen
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To: Starmaker
Pedophilia runs rampant in the homosexual community. Pedophilia is, as the San Francisco Sentinel pointed out in an editorial, "the foundation of homosexuality." Every culture that has accepted homosexuality and come to accept sex between men and young boys. That's where we are headed, despite all the willingly-blind ignorance of those trying to normalize homosexuality.

When are conservatives and Republicans going to demand George W. Bush and Republican party STOP catering to homosexual activists and pandering to a homosexual agenda?

11 posted on 11/07/2001 5:38:46 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: GeekDejure
It's worse than that - the latest communicable diseases report from California showed the percentages of queers doing different things (as if inserting their pen*s into the other guy's fecal tube wasn't bad enough, over 40% of these disturbed people lick each other's anus, and have oral s*x after anal s*x -- meaning that they literally eat sh*t.)

These people are mentally disturbed. It is not normal. It is not right.

12 posted on 11/07/2001 5:44:01 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: Ol' Sparky
Pedophilia runs rampant in the homosexual community.

There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?

13 posted on 11/07/2001 5:52:01 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: Starmaker
""L.I.E.," which stands for Long Island Expressway, tells a sympathetic story of Howie, a 15-year-old boy who is pursued by Big John Harrigan, a former Marine and child molester. Harrigan is played by British actor Brian Cox. A two fold shot here, #1. They make this guy a former Marine, shot one at the Corps probably the most conservative of the Armed Forces. #2 Harrigan from Long Island, so number one he's American-Irish and from New York which means more than likely he's Catholic....hmmmmm a coincidence??
14 posted on 11/07/2001 6:03:04 AM PST by All-American Medic
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To: jlogajan
Pedophilia runs rampant in the homosexual community.

There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?

And your point is? The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

15 posted on 11/07/2001 6:18:51 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Starmaker
bump
16 posted on 11/07/2001 6:29:29 AM PST by VOA
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To: Starmaker
This completely explains why Brian Cox won an Emmy this year for his work in some other show.
17 posted on 11/07/2001 6:29:43 AM PST by ikka
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To: Manny Festo; EdReform; Clint N. Suhks
Ping!
18 posted on 11/07/2001 6:32:12 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: jlogajan
Pedophilia runs rampant in the homosexual community.

There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?

Considering that homosexuals comprise just 2% of the population, why do you find that surprising?

The real issue is that homosexuals are overrepresented in the numbers, comprising some 30% of pedophiles while their victims comprise some 70% of the total!

Plus, read it all again, who exactly is cheering this film? That's right, the homosexuals. They are the ones who want to normalize pedophilia just as they are cementing the normalization of their own perversion.

Sorry, but your lame observation has been repeated by virtually every pro-homo cheerleader who's ever (dis)graced this forum. It doesn't wash!

19 posted on 11/07/2001 6:36:09 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: Skooz
When "mainstream" straight publications start backing pedophilia, then it WOULD be an issue! (exception: those of you here who have cited "Hustler" as a mainstream publication :-( :-( ).

Lest we forget, it was far back as '72 that a number of uh, "diverse," McGovernite CA. delegates were pushing for lowering the age of consent.

20 posted on 11/07/2001 6:37:04 AM PST by pollwatcher
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To: jlogajan
There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?

This, while it's probably literally true, is a deliberate attempt to deceive. One could just as correctly say there are far more heterosexuals than homosexuals who are geniuses, persons of exemplary virtue, talented musicians, and heroes.

21 posted on 11/07/2001 6:45:02 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Starmaker
The pooper troopers want your children.
22 posted on 11/07/2001 6:45:56 AM PST by winodog
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To: NotTheDevil
ping-
23 posted on 11/07/2001 6:49:32 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Right Wing Professor
It's November 7th, RWP. I guess you were on a jones. :)
24 posted on 11/07/2001 6:54:15 AM PST by Skooz
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To: All-American Medic
And don't forget the actor's last name! Coincidence or clever semantics?
These people are evil, they are not sick, they are evil. Why they are allowed to pursue their nastiness with legal impunity is beyond me.
25 posted on 11/07/2001 7:00:10 AM PST by poet
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To: Starmaker
Ryder was recently asked in an Internet interview how he managed to make the child molester character so charming. He replied, "That was my plan [laughter]-My evil plan."

Oh, now THATs comforting...

26 posted on 11/07/2001 7:01:12 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: jlogajan
There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?</I?

Maybe that's because (thankfully) there are MANY more heterosexuals. I would be curious to see an unbisased study comparing the PERCENTAGE of pedophiliacs in the heterosexual population as compared with the homosexual population. I think you would be ducking for cover when the results were released.

27 posted on 11/07/2001 7:14:46 AM PST by arm958
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To: poet
Brian Cox is an exceptionally good actor.

What is age of consent in US?, here in UK it was recently lowered to 16 for males = to females. Here a 16 yr old boy can't drive a car, motorbike, take out credit, fight for his country, drink alcohol in a bar but he can consent to be buggered by a Labour MP.There is a wide choice.

Some of Bomber Blair's best friends are Horizontal Gardeners.

28 posted on 11/07/2001 7:17:14 AM PST by unending thunder
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To: All-American Medic
RE; #14...My sentiments exactly!
29 posted on 11/07/2001 7:21:44 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: winodog
My son's generation called these deviants 'fudge packers', which seems so very odd that they are protected zealously by the PC media freaks ... I would be interested to see the percentage of representation of the deviant crowd in the media business. I would bet that's one stat the Zogbys would never publicize because the shock would backlash against even the Zogbys!

It is time for PC to be diced and discarded, and Americans to act like the damn sovereigns they are responsible to be.

There is nothing 'normal' about deviancy ... it is a contradiction of order to try and create such a deviant malignancy in the language!... And is the hallmark of the homosexual crowd that they seek to 'corporate' such malignancies throughout this nation's society, at every level, and contrary to the safety of the society itself, for deviancy is the most easily manipulated by enemies of this nation.

How insulting was the recent attempt by the deviants to glorify the acts of one or more Americans on downed flights or in rescues of 9/11 by pointing to their sexual proclivities as if that was their defining nature! The acts of heroism were the more demeaned by the deviant community exploiting the sexuality over the heroism! THAT is typical of the deviant population. Why doesn't the Andrew Sullivan crowd address the outrage, from that perspective, the exploitation of heroic acts by human beings in order to promote homosexuality rather than praise the dead heroes, instead of pointing to the sexual proclivities as superior in note to the acts of heroism?

30 posted on 11/07/2001 7:49:34 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Starmaker
APPLE COMPUTER is currently featuring a trailer of this little piece of perversion on their site. If you want to tell them how proud you are of their courageous stance
</sarcasm>

email them here:mailto:trailers@mac.com

31 posted on 11/07/2001 8:34:51 AM PST by ventana
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To: FormerLib
"Ping!"

BARF!!


(Anyway, thanks for the ping)

32 posted on 11/07/2001 8:44:24 AM PST by EdReform
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To: Right Wing Professor
"There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs." This, while it's probably literally true, is a deliberate attempt to deceive

No. If you'd kill off all the homosexuals, you would not put a significant dent in pedophilia.

Therefore it is clear your motivation is not to stop pedophilia, but to kill off homosexuals.

Be honest for a change.

33 posted on 11/07/2001 8:51:37 AM PST by jlogajan
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To: pollwatcher; Skooz; Starmaker; erizona; Clint N. Suhks; Bryan; George W. Bush; MHGinTN...
"When "mainstream" straight publications start backing pedophilia, then it WOULD be an issue!"


An excerpt from "Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode By Mary Eberstadt:

"...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution...

...Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse..."

For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls.

No: As was true four years ago, contemporary efforts to rationalize, legitimize, and justify pedophilia are about boys. Forget about abstractions like nihilism; what the record shows is something more prosaic. The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this "question," settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement...

"...For shocking though it may have been to the general public, "Meta-Analytic" was in fact only the latest in a very long series of professional attempts to revise therapeutic conceptions of boy pedophilia, attempts of which most lay readers remain quite ignorant.

Professionals in the field know better. Fifteen years ago, for example, in his careful research volume Child Sexual Abuse, noted authority David Finkelhor was already drawing attention to the "body of opinion and research [that] has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

One book only recently available in the "gay studies" section of a Borders in downtown D.C., for example, is a peculiar classic of a sort entitled Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives, edited by the aforementioned pedophile icon Edward Brongersma and two colleagues. This book, according to one of its jacket endorsements, "shed[s] critical light on the broad spectrum of man-boy love and its place in ancient and contemporary societies." In other words, it is a series of briefs using scientistic polemics in an effort to rationalize the sexual molestation of boy children.

...What gives XY its unprecedented niche is that here, for the first time, is a mass-market magazine "officially targeted toward 12-29 year old young gay men," every issue of which, as one admiring journalist puts it, "features scantily clad young men in several photo spreads and on the cover." Then there is the non-photo content. The first issue was stamped "Underage." Another issue included a sympathetic pro-and-con interview with a prominent member of NAMBLA. An article in another issue was titled "F— the Age of Consent." There is also a smattering of self-help that can only make minors easier to find—for example, advice about what kids should do if their parents install a filtering system that prevents them from reaching gay cyberspace (answer: get around it).

...A few proclaim boys to be sexual fair game. Influential others disavow pedophilia per se, but tolerate its advocacy on grounds of political solidarity with persecuted groups. Still others, in the relatively new development noted earlier, appear to have opted for a kind of anti-anti-pedophilia, according to which the "real" problems for the movement are somehow Dr. Laura and the religious right, rather than the facts to which such critics draw attention: e.g., that efforts are being made to destigmatize the sexual exploitation of boy children; or that positive portrayals of "inter-generational sex," which are extremely rare in the rest of the culture, are not rare in gay literature and journalism...

34 posted on 11/07/2001 9:05:07 AM PST by EdReform
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To: jlogajan
Who said anything about 'killing off' homosexuals, you deviancy apologist? The point raised is the per capita numbers of pedophiles amongst the homosexual population as compared to the per capita amongst the heterosexual population ... the pedophiles are deviants, whether amongst the homosexual populace or the heterosexual populace. Defend pedophilia and deviancy in general, if you like, but at least be honest in your deviancy apologisms.
35 posted on 11/07/2001 9:21:15 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Speaking of killing (not to spoil the ending) but I believe that Big John Harrigan (Brian Cox character) is shot to death at the end of the movie by one of his earlier victims.
36 posted on 11/07/2001 9:33:06 AM PST by writmeister
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To: writmeister
The cesspool that is now hollywood never ceases to amaze me; even turds like this deviancy-affirming movie are touted as enlightened. It pains me to realize there are actually good, conservative actors and writers still trying to stick it out in that slurry of filth. Sadly, many succumb to the evil, eventually.
37 posted on 11/07/2001 9:37:47 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: writmeister
And here's an even scarier aspect: my wife and stepdaughter consider the movie, American Beauty, a worthy piece of cinema ... I consider it an enema with perfume, meant to demean and denegrate normalcy, pushing our society ever deeper in the fecal mire of those running Hollyweird and the media. That I have to debate such differences within my own home is disgusting!

I ask you, can Kevin Spacey be a good person, deep down, if he uses his considerable talents to glorify such deviancy which that movie promotes as 'the real America'? I don't think so.

38 posted on 11/07/2001 9:44:29 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
What is it with women. My wife loved that movie and I hated it.
39 posted on 11/07/2001 9:45:39 AM PST by writmeister
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To: Ol' Sparky; jlogajan; Right Wing Professor; winodog; MHGinTN
"Pedophilia runs rampant in the homosexual community. Pedophilia is, as the San Francisco Sentinel pointed out in an editorial, "the foundation of homosexuality." Every culture that has accepted homosexuality and come to accept sex between men and young boys. That's where we are headed, despite all the willingly-blind ignorance of those trying to normalize homosexuality."


From Reply # 167 in the message thread The Great "Gay" Racket [Free Republic]:

** "Homosexuals are the only self-identified group in the world to openly advocate pedophilia. Can you find me 12 publications from any other self-identifying group that supports pedophilia?

Gay Community News, Vol 4, #5, June 1982, asked; "How do you go about beating Anti-Pedophile attitudes"?

Gay magazine "Outrage" carried articles relating to Pedophilia in two thirds of its publications between April 1983 and July 1984.

The Journal of Homosexuality, 1987 published an article called; "Pedophilia and the Gay movement" detailing Homosexual efforts to end oppression of Pedophiles.

Gay Rights Group COC (Holland) in 1980 adopted the position that the Liberation of Pedophilia must be viewed as a Gay issue.

Gay Magazine "Outrage" Australia, May 1984 declared its editorial position on Pedophilia as "One of defence of the Civil Liberties of Pedophiles and alleged Pedophiles, and of the Right of Pedophiles to make their case in the Gay media".

The Gay Manifesto, London 1989 Calls for recognition of "Inter-generational" sex .

The Gay "Relationships" book by Charles Silverstein "Man to Man" says "Man/Boy love experiences (pedophilia) occurs too frequently to be ignored". He devoted a chapter to; "Love between the generations".

Lesbian book "Saphistry" says; "Lesbians feel it is not uncommon for an affectionate relationship between a child and an adult, since sexual desire can exist in children as well as adults"

"Sex between men and boys is the foundation of homosexuality." - 1992 editorial in The Sentinel, San Francisco's major pro-gay publication

Homosexual leaders blatantly voice tolerance for child sex abuse. A prominent gay magazine, Out, quoted Damien Martin, the head of New York’s homosexual Harvey Milk High School, as saying, "No kid has ever been hurt by [oral sex]" in September, 1994 on page 73.

The leading gay publication, The Advocate, in an article titled Getting Over It pondered on May 5, 1992 about how many boys "would have missed out on a valuable, liberating experience—one that initiated them into their sexuality—if it weren’t for so-called molestation?"

The nation’s largest gay publicist, Alyson Publications of Boston, which distributes Daddy’s Roommate and other homosexual books for kids, published Paedophilia: The Radical Case, hundreds of pages of why and how seven year old boys should be brought to climax. Another Alyson book, The Age Taboo on page 144 insists: "Boy-lovers... are not child molesters. The child abusers are... parents who force their staid morality onto the young people in their custody." **


Pedophiles Argue Their Case in the Journal of Homosexuality

The Problem of Pedophilia

More on the Pedophilia Question

On Positive Reports of Adult-Child Relationships: Taking a Closer Look

On the Pedophilia Issue: What the APA Should Have Known

Is Pedophilia Really Being Normalized?

From the North American Man/Boy Love Association - Actual NAMBLA Brochure


An excerpt from "Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode By Mary Eberstadt:

"...For elsewhere in the public square, the defense of adult-child sex—more accurately, man-boy sex—is now out in the open. Moreover, it is on parade in a number of places—therapeutic, literary, and academic circles; mainstream publishing houses and journals and magazines and bookstores—where the mere appearance of such ideas would until recently have been not only unthinkable, but in many cases, subject to prosecution...

...Plainly, as the record even then showed, a surprising number of voices were willing to rise up on behalf of what advocates refer to as "man-boy love," or what most people call sexual abuse..."

For one thing, no sustained public challenges have arisen over other primal taboos. Even more telling, if nihilism and nihilism alone were the explanation for public attempts to legitimize sex with boy children, then we would expect the appearance of related attempts to legitimize sex with girl children; and these we manifestly do not see. Nobody, but nobody, has been allowed to make the case for girl pedophilia with the backing of any reputable institution. Publishing houses are not putting out acclaimed anthologies and works of fiction that include excerpts of men having sex with young girls. Psychologists and psychiatrists are not competing with each other to publish studies demonstrating that the sexual abuse of girls is inconsequential; or, indeed, that it ought not even be defined as "abuse."

Two examples from the last few weeks will suffice to show the double standard here. In the November 12 New York Times Book Review, a writer found it unremarkable to observe of his subject, biographer Gavin Lambert, that when "Lambert was a schoolboy of 11, a teacher initiated him [into homosexuality], and he 'felt no shame or fear, only gratitude.'" It is unimaginable that New York Times editors would allow a reviewer to describe an 11-year-old girl being sexually "initiated" by any adult (in that case, "initiation" would be called "sexual abuse"). Similarly, in mid-December the New York Times Magazine delivered a cover piece about gay teenagers in cyberspace which was so blasé about the older men who seek out boys in chat rooms that it dismissed those potential predators as mere "oldies." Again, one can only imagine the public outcry had the same magazine published a story taking the same so-what approach to online solicitation, off-line trysts, and pornography "sharing" between anonymous men and underage girls.

No: As was true four years ago, contemporary efforts to rationalize, legitimize, and justify pedophilia are about boys. Forget about abstractions like nihilism; what the record shows is something more prosaic. The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this "question," settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement...

"...For shocking though it may have been to the general public, "Meta-Analytic" was in fact only the latest in a very long series of professional attempts to revise therapeutic conceptions of boy pedophilia, attempts of which most lay readers remain quite ignorant.

Professionals in the field know better. Fifteen years ago, for example, in his careful research volume Child Sexual Abuse, noted authority David Finkelhor was already drawing attention to the "body of opinion and research [that] has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

One book only recently available in the "gay studies" section of a Borders in downtown D.C., for example, is a peculiar classic of a sort entitled Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives, edited by the aforementioned pedophile icon Edward Brongersma and two colleagues. This book, according to one of its jacket endorsements, "shed[s] critical light on the broad spectrum of man-boy love and its place in ancient and contemporary societies." In other words, it is a series of briefs using scientistic polemics in an effort to rationalize the sexual molestation of boy children.

...What gives XY its unprecedented niche is that here, for the first time, is a mass-market magazine "officially targeted toward 12-29 year old young gay men," every issue of which, as one admiring journalist puts it, "features scantily clad young men in several photo spreads and on the cover." Then there is the non-photo content. The first issue was stamped "Underage." Another issue included a sympathetic pro-and-con interview with a prominent member of NAMBLA. An article in another issue was titled "F— the Age of Consent." There is also a smattering of self-help that can only make minors easier to find—for example, advice about what kids should do if their parents install a filtering system that prevents them from reaching gay cyberspace (answer: get around it).

...A few proclaim boys to be sexual fair game. Influential others disavow pedophilia per se, but tolerate its advocacy on grounds of political solidarity with persecuted groups. Still others, in the relatively new development noted earlier, appear to have opted for a kind of anti-anti-pedophilia, according to which the "real" problems for the movement are somehow Dr. Laura and the religious right, rather than the facts to which such critics draw attention: e.g., that efforts are being made to destigmatize the sexual exploitation of boy children; or that positive portrayals of "inter-generational sex," which are extremely rare in the rest of the culture, are not rare in gay literature and journalism...


An excerpt from: "Will Pedophilia Be Next In Massachusetts Schools? 'Child Molestation' Is Being 'Normalized'" by J. Edward Pawlick, Publisher, Massachusetts News:

"The Boston Phoenix is a leading advocate of pedophilia in Massachusetts. A popular columnist for the Phoenix, Michael Bronski, wrote in March 1999 that the concern about protecting our children is only "gay-bashing." He said that the concern about pedophilia is "simply the latest in a series of ongoing attacks on gay people and gay rights that use the protection of children as a cover for homophobia."

But Bronski let the-cat-out-of-the-bag in the last paragraph of his article when he repeated the canard that children are "empowered" and have "autonomy" when they have the ability to have sex with adults. He wrote, "Gay-bashing under the guise of child protection will never go away until we as a culture can discuss the lives and needs of children openly and honestly — and include recognition of their sexuality, freedom, and autonomy." [emphasis added] In his world, a child who is twelve years, or even younger, will be allowed to decide when or where he will have sex. This is exactly what the pedophiles wish because it will totally empower them...

Up until 1990, NAMBLA was a fringe element in the homosexual movement.

Then the Journal of Homosexuality published a special double issue devoted to the subject. We began to hear the same arguments from adult pedophiles that we hear from homosexuals: "I was born that way."
"I can't change."

One article in the special issue said that parents should look upon a pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a thief of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home..." A professor of social science at the State University of New York said he looks forward to the day when Americans will "get over their hysteria about child abuse."

One of the authors of the article in the Journal of Homosexuality is also an author in the new APA study.

The pre-homosexual boy is discussed by NARTH on its website. "When this lonely boy receives flattering attention from an older male, then a link is established between love and homoerotic sex. The boy comes to believe, 'If I want love from men, I must have sex with them.' Thus the normal and natural developmental need of same-sex love and approval has become eroticized. The boy may then develop a compulsive, promiscuous sexual habit pattern, which in gay life is seen fairly frequently...

The Children of Massachusetts

The citizens of Massachusetts will soon have to decide whether or not they approve of pedophilia. It will soon be fashionable.

Meanwhile, we are operating on an outdated belief in our schools that there is a "gay gene." Therefore, if any child exhibits any interest in homosexuality, we say, "Oh, you were born to be a homosexual. Go join that Gay/Straight Alliance and he'll teach you how."

The "Fact Sheet" from the American Psychiatric Association says, "Some [pedophiles] develop complicated techniques for gaining access to children. They may select a job, hobby or volunteer work that brings them into contact with children."

The perfect place for a pedophile to find them in Massachusetts would be working with a Gay- Straight Alliance in one of our schools."


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40 posted on 11/07/2001 9:56:27 AM PST by EdReform
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To: writmeister
You may not believe this, but my wife says the garbagec inema, American Beauty, promotes the girl as a strong, real character, the main shill, Spacey, as a tragic figure since just when he is supposedly getting it together, he is mindlessly murdered by the weirdo next door that believes his son has been blowing the neighbor, and the wife is the consummate frustrated American housewife! Yeah, that's the movie review I had to listen to before deconstructing the evil underlying the theme and the cinematic effort.

Just imagine, who would be alive to go to the movies if the filthy minds and lives depicted in that movie were to come to fruition? What nation could withstand foreign enemies if the homefront was characterized as shown in that movie? Now, ask yourself, who would stand to gain, ultimately, if America were to copy such filth? What force actually wants this nation to conform to such a depiction?... Oh, to be sure, for a time Hollywood could reap billions spewing out more of the same deviancy, but ultimately, what would result? Destruction, utter, complete, annihilation, by enemies for whom America is a great Satan, a thorny obstacle to world domination and genocide against such as, moderate Moslems, Christians, the Jews and Israel! Yet hollyweird is populated with Jews exploiting the denegration of American morals because there's huge money to be made in the sensationalism of deviancy!

'For we are at war with powers and principalities, not flesh and blood.'

41 posted on 11/07/2001 10:02:01 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Starmaker
Did you all get this worked up over Lolita when it came out? ... I didn't think so.
43 posted on 11/07/2001 10:19:09 AM PST by CraigH
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To: jlogajan
Therefore it is clear your motivation is not to stop pedophilia, but to kill off homosexuals.

Be honest for a change.

You mean, as you type the most laughable lies in the history of Free Republic?

Be honest, yourself. You hate America and want to see her destoryed!

44 posted on 11/07/2001 10:47:57 AM PST by FormerLib
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To: jlogajan
There are, of course, more hetero pedophiliacs. Or did you forget?

There are, of course, more heterosexuals. Or, did you forget?

46 posted on 11/07/2001 11:15:39 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: EdReform
This is absolutely insane. Not only do I have to worry about getting my ass shot off in Afghanistan when my reserve unit gets activated, but I've got to worry about my 8 year old son getting molested by these homo freaks. God in Heaven please help us.
47 posted on 11/07/2001 11:42:53 AM PST by gcraig
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To: All-American Medic
""L.I.E.," which stands for Long Island Expressway, tells a sympathetic story of Howie, a 15-year-old boy who is pursued by Big John Harrigan, a former Marine and child molester. Harrigan is played by British actor Brian Cox. A two fold shot here, #1. They make this guy a former Marine, shot one at the Corps probably the most conservative of the Armed Forces. #2 Harrigan from Long Island, so number one he's American-Irish and from New York which means more than likely he's Catholic....hmmmmm a coincidence??

What a bunch of perverted $%%^&*(*(()^$#$#@@@@!!!!!!!!!

48 posted on 11/07/2001 12:04:25 PM PST by KLT
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Not sure why I'm asking this here, but does anybody make an eight gauge shotgun? Or is ten the biggest?
49 posted on 11/07/2001 12:08:37 PM PST by Tony in Hawaii
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Homosexuality is a memetic disease. It infests and modifies the social morals of its host.

It is too socially divergent to maintain its self if left alone.

The very nature of homosexuality brings about a decline in the population of its hosts.
(no direct offspring, behavioral induced diseases like AIDS)

It continues solely due to its one transmission vector which is pedophilia.

If you see an increase in the number of homosexuals in society know that it was entirely due to
increased pedophilia.

50 posted on 11/07/2001 2:42:04 PM PST by avg_freeper
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