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Fr. Pavone is alive and well, and he's behind the abortion "billboard truck" campaign!
Catholic Answers ^ | 10/29 | Fr. Frank Pavone

Posted on 11/08/2001 10:12:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan

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You can listen to this via Real Player anytime. Just click on the link and then the 10/29 broadcast and hear for yourself. I'm psyched that Fr. Pavone is behind the rolling billboard campaign, and that it's not a fly-by-night campaign. LET'S ROLL!
1 posted on 11/08/2001 10:12:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: *Catholic_list
Good news! Let's roll!
2 posted on 11/08/2001 10:13:18 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
There was a thread about it the truck billboard campaign (and Fr. Pavone's involvement) on FR some time back. I think I have it bookmarked at home. I hope Cardinal Egan can find a way to let Fr. Pavone continue to be involved with PfL even if he returns to local parish duties.
3 posted on 11/08/2001 11:05:54 AM PST by ELS
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To: Aquinasfan; patent; proud2bRC; Dumb_Ox
It's time to get serious about the abortion issue again. It's time for a new grass-roots push. We've got a big-time chance to forge a pro-life majority if we get our message out forcefully - and graphically. Graphic images ended Vietnam. They can help end abortion.

There is already a growing surge of support for the Pro-Life cause. Let's push the issue. If successful, this will also have the beneficial side effect of causing massive defeats for RINO and Democrat candidates.
4 posted on 11/08/2001 11:06:10 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: father_elijah; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Salvation; ELS; nina0113; Steve0113; el_chupacabra...
bumping.
5 posted on 11/08/2001 11:21:05 AM PST by patent
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To: Aquinasfan
Excellent story about the rolling billboards ("Reproductive Choice Campaign")and campus demonstrations ("Genocide Awareness Project") sponsored by the Center for Bioethical Reform: Last year a pro-life friend of mine who is very much an activist and who loves Fr. Pavone and PFL was disturbed to find out that Pavone supported the graphic photo idea. I convinced her to go see the GAP dispaly for herself - on the campus of IU in Bloomington, IN last month. She left that display convinced it was a very effective and appropriate means to share the truth. She saw the young people forced to think about what "Choice" really means and the undeniable indications shown by the photos that the little 10 week old fetus is actually very human, very innocent, and worthy of protection.

Amen. She was a hard sell. She is sold. Nuf said.

7 posted on 11/08/2001 11:47:54 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: patent
Wonderful news about Fr. Pavone.

I recently had occasion to defend my own stance on LIFE and the entire scope of the "pro-life at all stages" fight for the unborn, fairly simply and also effectively.

After hashing through the standard excuses for exclusion, the cases of rape and incest ... the use of fetal cells, etc ... we discussed the logic for my own passion for life in terms of a living child and mother and what we would do in defense of those two figures, particularly in regard to a life threatening danger to a newborn and his Mom.

We totally agreed that the defensive fight for the Mom and her infant would be violently strong and possibly result in a "noble" death for the defender, but worthwhile to save those lives at any cost.

We proceeded to the second point of having been deprived of our rights to be involved in such a fight through mis-appropriate interpretation of laws, which deny our basic and constitutional rights to even protest at an aboratorium

After agreeing to the scientific proofs of even atheistic scientists, that the unborn have separate and singular identities proven in their DNA ... we finally agreed that the analogy of the Mother and the NEWBORN was no different, providing we honestly believe that life is to be treasured from conception to the grave and therein lies the rub.

Conscious or not there is some sort of mental categorization which assigns more value to the born than to the pre-born and that is why we are so forgiving and acceptance of incrementalism. This is the nature of this particular flaw of mental reservation that so many are using today ... to the detriment and death of the unborn.

This use of mental reservation concedes only a "categorized right to life", rather than realization that pre-born life is indeed LIFE of a HUMAN BEING, with attendant rights. How we have arrived at the notion that it is somehow LESS PRECIOUS and LESS ENTITLED TO LIVE than the already born, is one of all of society's biggest banes. It just does not make good sense.

Let us pray for those who have the unborn in their care!
8 posted on 11/08/2001 11:48:39 AM PST by AKA Elena
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To: Notwithstanding
Even more important - she was overwhelmed at the peace and grace that oozed out of the people staffing the display. Those people are filled with God's grace and a testament to His name. Powerful love-filled tender souls standing up for the truth in a loving and gentle way. Some truths are appaling - but true nevertheless.
9 posted on 11/08/2001 11:50:31 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Aquinasfan
The lawyer researched how issues like slavery were overturned by the SC in the past.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Supreme Court ever actually overturned Dred Scott. I think it took a constitutional amendment to outlaw slavery.

Btw, Aquinasfan, thanks for posting this. Father Pavone is a fantastic representative for those of us who value life. What is this about "negotiation" with Cardinal Egan, though?

10 posted on 11/08/2001 11:53:39 AM PST by gumbo
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To: AKA Elena
Conscious or not there is some sort of mental categorization which assigns more value to the born than to the pre-born and that is why we are so forgiving and acceptance of incrementalism.
Just came across that today, in fact.

patent  +AMDG

11 posted on 11/08/2001 11:58:56 AM PST by patent
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To: gumbo
What is this about "negotiation" with Cardinal Egan, though

Due to the shortage of Priests, Cardinal Egan has asked Fr. Frank Pavone to step down from Priests for LIfe, and return to serving in a Church.

12 posted on 11/08/2001 12:27:43 PM PST by electron1
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To: patent
I pray that Father Pavone is allowed to stay on the front line of the Pro-Life war.
13 posted on 11/08/2001 1:16:01 PM PST by EODGUY
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To: Aquinasfan
Father Pavone and pro-life BUMP!
14 posted on 11/08/2001 1:20:48 PM PST by goodieD
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To: electron1
return to serving in a Church.

This may not be entirely a bad thing. He'll (have|get) to preach at least once on Sunday and each weekday. 10-1 his sermons won't be the mealy-mouthed pablum too many Catholic priests mistake for preaching.

AB

15 posted on 11/08/2001 1:28:32 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Aquinasfan
Father Frank bump!
16 posted on 11/08/2001 1:50:53 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: patent
BTTT
17 posted on 11/08/2001 3:36:35 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Antoninus
In 2000, the democrat party took 'a woman's right to choose a serial killer' as their election slogan, except they got away with leaving off 'a serial killer'(that is, after all the actual reality of the phrase if finished truthfully). We the people awake to the holocaust in our nation mustn't let them get away with that ever again, and we must hold the pubbies feet to the fire until they pass legislation banning as murder partial birth abortion and end ALL abortion that is not expressly to save a woman's life. We must also demand of the politicians that they fund adoption programs and set-aside monies to aid women unable to raise the child they carry, with mandetory sterilization for the man and woman involved when more than one 'incident' occurs against the vulnerable unborn.
18 posted on 11/08/2001 4:11:12 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: electron1
Thanks for the info re Fr. Pavone.
19 posted on 11/08/2001 4:30:48 PM PST by gumbo
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I was just thinking that someone should create a 5 second, e-mailable Quicktime (or Flash?) movie of an ultrasound of a 90-day-old unborn child. Then all of us pro-lifers can e-mail it to our friends, and so on. It would be an inexpensive way to get our message across.
20 posted on 11/08/2001 5:11:15 PM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan
Great idea -- bypass the press that won't show. And God Bless Father Pavone and Priests for Life.
21 posted on 11/08/2001 5:26:09 PM PST by victim soul
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To: ELS
There was a thread about it the truck billboard campaign (and Fr. Pavone's involvement)

Here it is: Controversial Reproductive "Choice" Campaign Launched on CA Highways

22 posted on 11/08/2001 5:49:27 PM PST by ELS
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To: patent
bumping back
23 posted on 11/08/2001 11:25:40 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: ELS
I can't wait until they come here to Massachusetts, particularly Brookline, the liberal and abortion capital of New England.
24 posted on 11/09/2001 3:38:00 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: electron1
It is not necessarily due to a shortage of priests that Fr. Pavone was recalled. It may be because PFL has strongly endorsed projects that display the truth of choice in full color - and the USCCB does not like such a "controversial" project. Cardinal Egan (any cardinal for that matter) has to be somewhat mindful of politics - and therefore does nto wat the most powerful catholic voice on Life to be a priest who shows people the bloody truth of choice (in addition to all the other wonderful projects he supports). For USCCB and Cardinals it may be too much to stomach - such a strong and absolute in your face message about the culture of death. It is offensive to the people these men need to make nice with (Kennedy's and Daschles and other jakals).
25 posted on 11/09/2001 7:40:57 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
I highly doubt that is the case. For atleast 4 reasons.

1. There is a shortage of Priests, in NY especially, right now.

2. Cardinal Egan has ALSO removed MANY other priests from there duties also. He is NOT just targeting PFL.

3. Cardinal Egan replaced Cardinal O'Conner, who, rumor has it, left the Archdiociese(sp?) in debt and with problems.

4. I have read of where Cardinal Egan speaks out for life, in front of journalist and everything. He seems to be pretty pro-life in his views.

5. By removing Fr. Frank Pavone, it really does NOTHING to stop the projects going on with PFL. There are other priests involved(includding the son of Scalia, the supreme court justice), and surely another priest will take Pavones place and keep the same direction.

OK, more than four reasons. But these are enough to make me believe that it is an honest call that Cardinal Egan is making. He might be doing this for the very opposite reason, to signal to all the other priests that have been removed from their assignments, that it is serious. SO serious Cardinal Egan is even forced to remove Fr. Pavone from PFL. I have even heard of Cardinal Egan temporarily shutting down some Churches in NY. So this is serious.

26 posted on 11/09/2001 8:18:16 AM PST by electron1
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To: electron1
Either reason might be true. We don't really know. A priest must obey his bishop , for sure. And Fr. Pavone is obeying his bishop (Egan).

Who else (priests) has been recalled? Who else hasn't been? Do you have names?

27 posted on 11/09/2001 11:58:12 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
No, I originally posted the article where it first came out that Fr. Pavone was being called, in that article there were names. I just cant find it anymore. I must have deleted it. But Fr. Pavone himself talks about many others who have also been called from special assignment.
28 posted on 11/09/2001 12:37:28 PM PST by electron1
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To: patent
Thanks. I firmly believe that legalized abortion has succeeded mostly because the horror of what abortion actually is has been suppressed. The billboards tell the truth and shatter the lies. God bless Fr. Pavone for all he has done to get the truth out there!
29 posted on 11/10/2001 2:49:45 PM PST by smorgle
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To: Aquinasfan
This is great! Sometimes I get discouraged by the attitude of Catholics when it comes to abortion. When my daughter was in 6th grade she told her CCD teacher about a pro-life rally and wanted her teacher to announce it to the class. The teacher wouldn't. I found out later the teacher was pro- abortion & pro-clinton. When parents are pro-choice we have to make sure the CCD teachers are pro-life so they can reach these kids.

Wow! A pro-life Catholic lawyer. I wish there were more of them around.

30 posted on 11/10/2001 10:21:58 PM PST by lara
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To: Aquinasfan
I was just thinking that someone should create a 5 second, e-mailable Quicktime (or Flash?) movie of an ultrasound of a 90-day-old unborn child. Then all of us pro-lifers can e-mail it to our friends, and so on. It would be an inexpensive way to get our message across.

This sounds like a great idea. I would love to e-mail this out to a few hundred pro-life activists. There has to be a freeper who can make this happen.

31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:34 PM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: *Abortion_list
bumping to abortion list
32 posted on 12/03/2001 8:27:12 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aquinasfan
Now we have the Catholic Coalition for Public Pronography. I wonder if they will be taking ad out in Hustler.
34 posted on 12/03/2001 8:32:38 AM PST by pcl
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Why do you consider photos of murdered, unborn children to be pornography?
35 posted on 12/03/2001 9:17:26 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Julyman16
Thought you would find this Catholic activism encouraging.

A picture is worth a thousand words kind of thing:)

36 posted on 12/03/2001 9:24:36 AM PST by AquariusStar22
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To: AKA Elena
Conscious or not there is some sort of mental categorization which assigns more value to the born than to the pre-born and that is why we are so forgiving and acceptance of incrementalism.

If a person holds this as a primary belief, those images will probably trigger a cognitive dissonance. They can not accept that their beliefs kill people therefor those images must not be of people even though they look like people. The end result being the reinforcement of the belief you are trying kill.

37 posted on 12/03/2001 9:29:55 AM PST by pcl
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To: Aquinasfan
One of the defintions of pornography is:
Gruesome or senstational material causing shock or horror.

If your self image interfers with your accepting the images as pornographic, maybe you will accept "obscene." The definition of obscene being:
Repulsive; disgusting; Offensive to accepted standards of decency.

38 posted on 12/03/2001 9:40:41 AM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
Well, the photos are disgusting and disturbing. No doubt about that.

But what's worse is that these babies are being killed now. Would you have objected to a billboard campaign in Germany during WWII showing photos of bulldozers plowing piles of corpses?

39 posted on 12/03/2001 9:57:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Would you have objected to a billboard campaign in Germany during WWII showing photos of bulldozers plowing piles of corpses?

The question is not relevent as those were corpses of former persons.

I would object to billboards showing graphical display of the slaughter of dinner table animals. My objection would be that the billboards were pure sensationism as are those trucks.

BTW: While I do object, I also support their right under the First Ammendment to display this obscene material.

40 posted on 12/03/2001 10:42:34 AM PST by pcl
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The question is not relevent as those were corpses of former persons.

The Nazis regarded the Jews as subhuman too.

I would object to billboards showing graphical display of the slaughter of dinner table animals. My objection would be that the billboards were pure sensationism as are those trucks.

Interesting that you would compare the "slaughter of dinner table animals" to whatever it is that is on the side of the trucks. Since you believe that what is on the side of the trucks is neither human nor animal, why do you object?

41 posted on 12/03/2001 1:15:51 PM PST by Aquinasfan
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why do you object?

Do you really have to ask? You seem like a bright guy. I am sure you have the common sense to know the answer.

42 posted on 12/03/2001 3:24:24 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
Although the images will most certainly be disturbing, I find the actual killing of unborn, defenseless babies to be far more disgusting, repulsive and offensive than the mere photographs that show the results.

At what point do you believe that a fetus actually becomes human, just out of curiosity? They somehow miraculously transmute at the moment they leave the birth canal? Or perhaps you agree with Peter Singer, and believe that infanticide is okay up to the end of the first year of life? Or perhaps your argument is that it's okay to kill them because they are dependent upon the mother--so do you then believe in killing those on respirators or dialysis machines? The point is, there is no logical defense for abortion.

Pregnancy may not always be welcome or convenient for some, but for those cases: adoption is the option.

43 posted on 12/03/2001 3:39:32 PM PST by austinTparty
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At what point do you believe that a fetus actually becomes human, just out of curiosity?

The fetus of a homo sapian become a person when it take its first breath of air into its lungs. This is moment it recieves a soul. The soul being the thing that deferentiates a person from every other living thing in the Universe including homo sapian ebryos and fetuses.

44 posted on 12/03/2001 4:17:09 PM PST by pcl
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So, then, by your logic, abortion is okay up until the very moment the baby is fully out of the mother's body?
45 posted on 12/03/2001 4:27:59 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: pcl
Where does it 'receive' this soul from?
46 posted on 12/03/2001 4:55:45 PM PST by constitutiongirl
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I would object to billboards showing graphical display of the slaughter of dinner table animals. My objection would be that the billboards were pure sensationism as are those trucks.

I suppose it would be sensationalism to a degree - but it is a funny thing to say - it always amuses me that people can be put off their dinner by scenes on the 6 o'clock news of a slaughterhouse.

When you think about it, it should be quite normal that people should not be offended by seeing where meat comes from, when people all over the world tuck into a meat dinner a few hours or days after they killed the animal themselves. A lot people have become quite out of touch with the reality of killing.

47 posted on 12/03/2001 5:01:29 PM PST by New Zealander
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To: austinTparty
So, then, by your logic, abortion is okay up until the very moment the baby is fully out of the mother's body?

Strictly speaking, yes it would be okay.

I also believe that a fetus is a potential person. The closer it gets to birth, the greater the potential. A third trimester fetus has such a high potential to become a person that I would need a very good reason to abort it. One of the very few good reasons would be that the mother's life was in danger.

48 posted on 12/03/2001 5:08:27 PM PST by pcl
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To: constitutiongirl
Where does it 'receive' this soul from?

For want of better words: From God.

49 posted on 12/03/2001 5:09:43 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
**I also believe that a fetus is a potential person. The closer it gets to birth, the greater the potential. A third trimester fetus has such a high potential to become a person that I would need a very good reason to abort it. One of the very few good reasons would be that the mother's life was in danger. **

Well..you're just everywhere on this board, huh? ;o)

Let's discuss this for a bit. A fetus (actually Latin for baby) can be aborted in the third trimester if the mothers life were in danger, right? Are you not aware that a third trimester unborn baby can live outside the mothers womb? So, why would you want to suck the brains out, killing it, in order to save the mother.

I experienced severe toxemia in my pregnancy. In order to save my life the Doctors opted to deliver my child. In doing so they saved my life and that of my baby, 5 weeks premature. What makes you think that the mothers life can be saved but the baby is up for debate. You assume much but know little.

50 posted on 12/03/2001 7:21:18 PM PST by homeschool mama
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