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AFGHANISTAN: Apache Attacks at Night with Hellfire
StrategyPage ^ | 11/9/01 | Anon.

Posted on 11/09/2001 9:48:31 AM PST by untenured

The New War

November 9, 2001; Northern Alliance troops continue to advance south of Mazar-i-Sharif, reporting that they are seven kilometers from the city. The Taliban have been resisting, sometimes forcing the Northern Alliance troops back with counterattacks. Most of the US bombing is concentrated on Taliban troops outside Kabul and Mazar-i-Sharif. Taliban supplies, vehicles and headquarters are also being hit in Kandahar and other towns (wherever ground or air reconnaissance can find them.) US special forces troops with the Northern Alliance combat units are calling in bombing missions for direct support of the Northern Alliance advance. This is particularly useful, as the opposing Taliban troops are definitely there and not as well dug in as they usually are. This means more casualties for the Taliban, and a more rapid advance for the Northern Alliance.

According to reports from people inside Kabul, the US is now sending helicopter gunships at night. Armed with Hellfire missiles, the Apache helicopters are hitting specific vehicles and buildings. The AH-64 gunship can operate at night and detect and hit small targets. Israel has used AH-64s and Hellfires to make surprise attacks on Palestinian terrorists (day and night).

While the Taliban is not saying what it's losses are, Pakistani groups that have sent volunteers to help the Taliban have. One group admitted 35 of its members were killed last month in Kabul and recent bombings near Mazar-i-Sharif saw another Pakistani group admit that 85 of it's members had been killed. These reports could indicate that the Taliban have lost several thousand men (dead and wounded.) There have also been over a thousand Taliban troops (led by their commanders) who have switched sides. The Taliban has also announced that it is trying to send reinforcements north to Mazar-i-Sharif. This could get interesting. Predator UAVs can patrol the roads north from Kabul, and call in warplanes or Specter gunships to attack Taliban troop convoys. The US estimates that the Taliban has 40,000-50,000 armed men under their control (of which about a third are foreigners.)

General Franks, commander of US forces in the Afghan theater, said the campaign was on schedule. General Franks is responding to media criticism that the operation is moving too slowly and that, somehow, the US is "losing the war." The media show little interest in covering the most crucial aspect of the campaign; logistics. The US has been building up supplies in out of the way places like the UAE, Diego Garcia and Central Asia. Without a substantial build up of ammo and other gear, large scale ground operations, and warplane sorties from Central Asian bases, are impossible. Perhaps most reporters aren't good at math, but until the logistics numbers are large enough, you can't move a military campaign into high speed. The logistics build up during the 1991 Gulf War went on for five months before there was any significant action. Meanwhile, another aircraft carrier is being sent to the Indian ocean. The navy is able to keep its carriers supplied by sea, a technique the navy has used with great success since World War II.

The problem is what to do with them. Without adequate supplies in Central Asia, they cannot go there. And the only ships needed in the Indian ocean are carriers with aircraft that with range to hit targets a thousand miles north in Afghanistan. So far, only Britain has been able to supply carrier aircraft. Several nations have offered their command forces, which amount to less than a thousand troops. But these could be used from Pakistani or Uzbek bases. Pakistan is keeping it's Islamic fundamentalists under control, but only as long as there is limited US activity from Pakistani bases. Moving large quantities of US supplies, or weapons (like armored vehicles) via Pakistani roads railroads is considered dangerous. It might encourage attacks by Islamic militants (who have been staging attacks on the government, and each other, for years.)


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They only update once a day, so the Mazar-i-Sharif analysis is already old, but the rest is interesting as always.
1 posted on 11/09/2001 9:48:31 AM PST by untenured
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To: untenured
Apache
2 posted on 11/09/2001 9:55:10 AM PST by SLB
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To: untenured
BUMP for sensible analysis. Thanks for posting it.
3 posted on 11/09/2001 9:57:44 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: untenured

4 posted on 11/09/2001 9:59:50 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: untenured
I just heard Jim Dunnigan on the hourly ABC radio news update briefly talking about Mazar-i-Sharif (they gave the strategypage.com URL too) so it's great he's finally back in the major media where he should be..will get mondo hits for their page, I bet, too...it was very short..he was basically just talking about how great it would be if Mazar fell....but I wonder if he'll make the TV nightly news like he finally did during the Gulf War land war(He couldn't get on the major media during the Gulf War buildup because he wasn't telling them what they wanted to hear...he was pointing out the Iraqis were badly overrated, had no desert fighting experience, desert wars don't last very long, etc.)

Looks like Strategypage may be overtaking Stratfor and garbage sites like Newsmax for military analysis on FR, which is a great thing.

5 posted on 11/09/2001 10:12:32 AM PST by John H K
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To: untenured
"... Perhaps most reporters aren't good at math, but ..."

Heh, heh, heh. Nice dig.

6 posted on 11/09/2001 10:38:17 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks for the really nice picture.
7 posted on 11/09/2001 11:06:58 AM PST by tessalu
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To: John H K
Hey John, is Stategy page a freebie? Cause I used to like Stratfor, but then they started charging for their services and I am a cheap internet junkie so have been looking around for a good intel spot.Would appreciate your response.
8 posted on 11/09/2001 11:08:59 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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BTTT
9 posted on 11/09/2001 11:13:45 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: untenured; harpseal; Squantos; B4Ranch
bttt
10 posted on 11/09/2001 11:24:14 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
btt
11 posted on 11/09/2001 11:33:45 AM PST by harpseal
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To: untenured
Mazar is the key. With Mazar's road junction under friendly control, US forces from Uzbekistan can strike unimpeded deep into Afghanistan. It also allows the N.A., with a little help from their friends, to open a second front against Kabul. Go get 'em boys!
12 posted on 11/09/2001 11:37:32 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
Once we control the areas around (ex Soviet) Bagram AFB and the airport at Mazar, and we can bring the helos up close, this war will shift into another realm.
13 posted on 11/09/2001 2:13:24 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: untenured
Ok I DO NOT believe this report. Apaches CANNOT be refueled in the air and do not have the range to fly from the carriers. SO where are they coming from or where are they getting fueled at?

Now if you tell me that it a Pave-low of some sort then I believe it. The only other option is that there is a significant ground base in Afghanistan that has the capability to sustain those actions. SORRY no sale.

14 posted on 11/09/2001 2:24:07 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
Loose lips?
15 posted on 11/09/2001 2:29:51 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Its nice when you finally get to read a sound analysis of the situation. The media mutts are totally morons and have done us a disservice.
16 posted on 11/09/2001 2:38:15 PM PST by appeal2
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To: null and void
Do you people all believe that these guys are complete idiots?

I can guarantee you that they know the specifications and operational requirements of every aircraft and weapon in our arsenal better than someone who uses them.

Go to Janes and you can read the specs on every military machine in the air and on the ground.

I for one am sick of all of the stupid nonsense and made up crap flowing around.

All's it takes is a satellite phone and a modem with a computer. Hell you can go to Navy and Air Force web sites and find out the status of most of their assets by clicking a mouse. One guy with binoculars can watch ships coming and going. I hate these Fer's but give them some credit for not being complete morons.

17 posted on 11/09/2001 2:46:22 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
I for one am sick of all of the stupid nonsense and made up crap flowing around.

Then I'm glad you've made it your personal mission to insure that anyone with a modem can get accurate information.

(Just in case they've missed some important detail about a shortcoming of any system...)

18 posted on 11/09/2001 3:15:27 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Hey I did not invent the internet Al Gore did.

Also this stuff is available in any good library (So don't just blame me).

You MIGHT have a valid complaint if I was revealing troop movements inside the ATO.

Once again I think you are way underestimating the intelligence of the enemy. A big mistake.

Do you know how to work a stinger? They do....

19 posted on 11/09/2001 3:39:12 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
Once again I think you are way underestimating the intelligence of the enemy. A big mistake.

Maybe. No matter how intelligent they are, I'd just as soon keep them as ignorant as possible. I'm not omniscient, I don't know what crumb of information will provide them a way to down an aircraft, or kill even one of our soldiers. I wouldn't want to be the one to unwittingly give them an edge, no matter how small...

20 posted on 11/09/2001 3:50:26 PM PST by null and void
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To: null and void
Whatever Polyanna.....
21 posted on 11/09/2001 3:56:56 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$
More like Cassandra...
22 posted on 11/09/2001 3:59:32 PM PST by null and void
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To: mad_as_he$$; Travis McGee; harpseal
You actually believe that Al-Queda has any SAT LINK after the 11th ??. If your really into what you say via intel then surely you must have stumbled onto an EC-130 or two ?? Usama's communications is currently two cans and a string IMHO. But then again, Uncle Sugar will only allow what they want them to have.

Jamming, bagpipes, pitched tones etc etc make everything except semiphore flags , runners and localized field phone networks moot. They come on line and EW types are soo deep in his southern end they tell him what he's thinking before he says it IMHO.

Just my 2 cents of course..............Stay Safe !

23 posted on 11/09/2001 7:01:01 PM PST by Squantos
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To: untenured
There have also been over a thousand Taliban troops (led by their commanders) who have switched sides.

Am I the only one that doesn't like this "switching sides" stuff? Would you want a guy fighting next to you who last week was shooting at you?

If you fought with the Taliban, you either stay with them and take your beating, become our POW, or go home and hide.

24 posted on 11/09/2001 7:14:29 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: untenured
The accuracy of this report is doubtful. MH-6's maybe. AH-64's, I doubt it, at least not yet.
25 posted on 11/09/2001 7:15:40 PM PST by TADSLOS
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To: Squantos
Well initially I thought the same as you but I have seen several stories on sky-news where the NA guys were talking to towel-a-ban on walkie talkies. Very weird. Also Sat phones are VERY hard to jam - that's the reason we use them. You have to be almost between the ground dish and the sat. to have any effect. Also burst transmissions are very hard to jam...... Read some Clancy for the real backround.
26 posted on 11/10/2001 6:00:02 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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