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Anthrax Threats Mass Mailed to Abortion Clinics
Los Angeles Times ^

Posted on 11/09/2001 10:54:51 AM PST by Asmodeus

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

November 9, 2001 Anthrax Threats Mass Mailed to Abortion Clinics By MEGAN GARVEY, TIMES STAFF WRITER Security: More than 200 facilities receive FedEx packages, while more are intercepted en route to West Coast.

WASHINGTON -- FedEx packages containing a white powder and the threat: "This contains anthrax. You're going to die," arrived Thursday morning at more than 200 abortion clinics in the Midwest and along the East Coast.


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1 posted on 11/09/2001 10:54:51 AM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
The directors of Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation and the Feminist Majority on Thursday asked for a meeting with Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft and Homeland Security Director Thomas J. Ridge.

I see no reason needed for a meeting.

2 posted on 11/09/2001 10:59:03 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Asmodeus
Charming.

gotta wonder about these god squads

which come less than a month after more than 250 similar letters were sent to abortion clinics through the U.S postal system.

I missed this one. Was it publicized at all?

3 posted on 11/09/2001 10:59:18 AM PST by fod
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To: newzjunkey
hmmm, should the "army of god" fall under auspices of the new "patriot act" as a terrorist organization?
4 posted on 11/09/2001 11:01:35 AM PST by fod
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To: Asmodeus
Yep news comes out that the anthrax mailings may come from a Ted Kaczynski(i.e leftist, pro-abortion, anti-human) wannabe, and all of the sudden packages from FedEx(i.e overnight deliveries) show up at abortion clinics.

Planned Parenthood probably sent them out themselves to muddy the waters, IMHO.

5 posted on 11/09/2001 11:01:43 AM PST by Dane
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To: Asmodeus
Please delete. Already posted here but did not come up in Search prior to posting.
6 posted on 11/09/2001 11:01:55 AM PST by Asmodeus
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To: fod
(1) If you honestly believe that these packages were sent by a Christian group, you're way too gullible. PP couldn't buy this kind of publicity.

(2) The first mailing was news coast-to-coast. It was featured on my local news three times in one week.

7 posted on 11/09/2001 11:02:11 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Asmodeus
Desperate for attention, sympathy, and more federal funding (for security!)...I better shut up before I become a suspect.
8 posted on 11/09/2001 11:03:41 AM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: newzjunkey
They don't really want a meeting, they just want a reason to bitch when Ashcroft says no. But I don't think their little plan will work. I think most Americans realized the AG is just a little busy right now.
9 posted on 11/09/2001 11:09:29 AM PST by evilsmoker
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To: fod
Whoever sent these packages via Fed Ex had to pay Fed Ex last I checked they did not deliver packages for free. For an underground group to have accounts suitable for mailing all these packages via Federal Express is beyond credulity. If this is unsolved within hours then one must presume that the group behind this is also the package recipients.

In any case anyone committing an anthrax hoax should be spending the next twenty years as the guest of the government.

My guess is that it is is PP itself doing the mailings and when someone gets caught they will argue that it was necessary to bring attention and security.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - yorktown

10 posted on 11/09/2001 11:09:38 AM PST by harpseal
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To: wideawake
(1) If you honestly believe that these packages were sent by a Christian group, you're way too gullible. PP couldn't buy this kind of publicity.

I never said anything of the sort, please don't put words in my mouth.

I like to think I have a good grasp of Christianity, and the "army of god" don't qualify IMO, .

(2) The first mailing was news coast-to-coast. It was featured on my local news three times in one week.

Crazy, can't believe I missed it, must have coincided with my last trip out of country...

11 posted on 11/09/2001 11:12:10 AM PST by fod
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To: Asmodeus
"Anthrax Threats Mass Mailed to Abortion Clinics" Kind of redundant aint it... You know the really ironic thing is, less people probably died today because of Anthrax.
12 posted on 11/09/2001 11:17:54 AM PST by Blackyce
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To: Asmodeus
Watch for this theory to come out shortly by the FBI: In an effort to "save face", they will claim ERIC RUDOLPH did it. And the reason the writing slants downhill is because he is still hiding on the side of a mountain in North Carolina.
13 posted on 11/09/2001 11:18:47 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: Asmodeus
Frank Mendiola

14 posted on 11/09/2001 11:26:34 AM PST by toenail
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To: Blackyce
You know the really ironic thing is, less people probably died today because of Anthrax.

Point well taken.

15 posted on 11/09/2001 11:37:59 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Asmodeus
Is the "Army of God" an underground organization with no known members, address, or web site? I assume so, otherwise it would be insane for them to openly take responsibility for illegal acts. But I still think it needs to be proven that they are in fact responsible; I would not put at past PP to send these threats to themselves.
16 posted on 11/09/2001 11:39:50 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Asmodeus
The Army of God has a website and a mailing address in care of "Rev. Donald Spitz" in Chesapeake, VA. All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers.
17 posted on 11/09/2001 11:40:16 AM PST by ravinson
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To: ravinson
Notice that no anthrax has ever been found in any of these abortion clinic threat letters or packages. Meanwhile, people have died of anthrax from letters that seem to have been sent from Islamofascist strongholds like Trenton, NJ.
18 posted on 11/09/2001 11:48:46 AM PST by ikanakattara
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To: ravinson
If the "Army of God" has a website and known members, would they be so stupid as to sign the name of their organization to terrorist letters? If they did so and the FBI still can't find evidence to arrest them, the FBI is beyond hope. But if there is no evidence linking the "Army of God" to those letters, then PP is itself a suspect and should have left a trail. What is going on with the FBI?
19 posted on 11/09/2001 11:48:48 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Asmodeus
How does one spell "Reichstag"?
20 posted on 11/09/2001 11:49:45 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: ravinson
"All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers."

All the pro-life zealots who rightly proclaim that abortion is murder give aid and comfort to desperate women and their babies. And that's what drives you nuts.

21 posted on 11/09/2001 11:50:17 AM PST by toenail
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To: Asmodeus

22 posted on 11/09/2001 11:53:27 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: ikanakattara
Notice that no anthrax has ever been found in any of these abortion clinic threat letters or packages.

That doesn't mean they are harmless acts, does it?

23 posted on 11/09/2001 11:57:41 AM PST by ravinson
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To: Asmodeus
It's ludicrous this reporter and her editor wouldn't mention at least the possibility, that enemies of pro-life groups would be sending this stuff through the mail.
24 posted on 11/09/2001 12:00:12 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: ravinson
If the Army of God actually sent those letters and signed their name to them, why can't the FBI prove anything? It would seem to be easy to solve a crime when there is physical evidence and someone says, "I did it!" If you can't solve a crime like that, what crime can you solve?
25 posted on 11/09/2001 12:02:44 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
If the "Army of God" has a website and known members, would they be so stupid as to sign the name of their organization to terrorist letters?

Signing the name of an organization doesn't prove that the owners of a website who use that name are involved. As they claim on their site, the "Army of God" is a loose knit organization or merely a "state of mind".

If they did so and the FBI still can't find evidence to arrest them, the FBI is beyond hope.

I'm nop big fan of the FBI, but as long as people can send letters and packages anonymously, it's very difficult to pin down responsibility for terrorism by mail.

26 posted on 11/09/2001 12:04:18 PM PST by ravinson
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To: toenail
All the pro-life zealots who rightly proclaim that abortion is murder give aid and comfort to desperate women and their babies,

You cannot properly claim that abortion is murder without redefining "murder" and therefore making the statement meaningless demagoguery, and demagoguery gives no comfort to any rational person.

27 posted on 11/09/2001 12:07:41 PM PST by ravinson
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To: ravinson
Of course anyone can claim to be a member of an organization even if they are not, and send a letter under false pretenses. My point was that if the Army of God really did send those letters, the FBI should have a lot of physical evidence as a basis for an investigation.
28 posted on 11/09/2001 12:08:06 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: ravinson
"You cannot properly claim that abortion is murder without redefining "murder" and therefore making the statement meaningless demagoguery, and demagoguery gives no comfort to any rational person."

Care to explain why you don't think committing abortions is not murder?

29 posted on 11/09/2001 12:12:55 PM PST by toenail
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My point was that if the Army of God really did send those letters, the FBI should have a lot of physical evidence as a basis for an investigation.

What "physical evidence"? As I said, the Army of God appears to be a very loose organization, and even in the unlikely event the FBI finds fingerprints on the letter, how do they find the sender if their prints aren't on file?

30 posted on 11/09/2001 12:13:56 PM PST by ravinson
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To: ravinson
All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers.

Attempting to compare this situation to President Bush's declaration that nations who harbor terrorists are also accountable is ridiculous and void of any reasonable logic. Don't work.

31 posted on 11/09/2001 12:17:41 PM PST by PLK
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To: toenail
Care to explain why you don't think committing abortions is not murder?

Murder is defined as the unlawful and malicious killing of another, and abortion is not illegal, not malicious, and cannot even be proved to be the killing of another person.

32 posted on 11/09/2001 12:18:11 PM PST by ravinson
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"Murder is defined as the unlawful and malicious killing of another, and abortion is not illegal, not malicious, and cannot even be proved to be the killing of another person."

A true believer.

What makes you think that committing abortions is legal?

Killing defenseless babies is malicious.

And only by deluded sophistry can anyone claim that another person is not killed.

33 posted on 11/09/2001 12:24:31 PM PST by toenail
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To: evilsmoker
I think most Americans realized the AG is just a little busy right now.

Busy with what? Meddling with states rights in Oregon. Listening to privledged attorney-client conversations? Fighting medical marijuana? He needs to meet with Planned Parenthood before they use his lack of response as a weapon against him. Whether you approve of PP or not, the AG needs to actively prosecute ANYONE who mails an Anthrax threat. That is his DUTY.

34 posted on 11/09/2001 12:28:49 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: ravinson
"What physical evidence?

The 450 letters and packages.
35 posted on 11/09/2001 12:28:57 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Dane
This is clearly an inside job. PP, or a lone sympathizer, mailed this hoax. Hopefully, the FBI will be able to track this package quickly like they did with the Bush debate tapes. Mailing this FedEx was a critical mistake on the mailer's part.
36 posted on 11/09/2001 12:30:19 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: ravinson
even in the unlikely event the FBI finds fingerprints on the letter

Exactly. Anyone who couldn't find a way to mail a letter without getting fingerprints or DNA on a letter is a complete idiot.

Then again, anyone who would send out an anthrax letter is by definition, an idiot, too.

37 posted on 11/09/2001 12:32:29 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: toenail
What makes you think that committing abortions is legal?

The law. Read it, digest it, get a clue.

Killing defenseless babies is malicious.

Legal malice is defined as the intentional doing of a wrongful act.

And only by deluded sophistry can anyone claim that another person is not killed.

You cannot prove that a fetus is a person any more than you can prove that any human sperm cell and egg cell considered together constitute a "person".

38 posted on 11/09/2001 12:33:58 PM PST by ravinson
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To: Diverdogz
Then again, anyone who would send out an anthrax letter is by definition, an idiot, too..,?

Then I guess you don't believe in the concept of an "evil genius"?

39 posted on 11/09/2001 12:37:30 PM PST by ravinson
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Idiot was the wrong word to use. Yes, I believe that there are "evil genius's". History is full of them.
40 posted on 11/09/2001 12:42:53 PM PST by Diverdogz
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"The law. Read it, digest it, get a clue."

I've read the Constitution ("...to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."). I've read about the separation of powers, where the judicial branch doesn't write law. I've read memo excerpts from SCOTUS justices where they blatantly stated that (at least) part of the Roe v. Wade decision was "legislative" and "arbitrary." I've read subsequent decisions where some SCOTUS justices admit that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, but they leave it be, for the sake of continuity.

Committing abortions is not legal. It's tolerated and advocated, but that doesn't make it legal. Not under our Constitution anyway.

41 posted on 11/09/2001 12:45:04 PM PST by toenail
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I think they're going to make being pro-life a "hate crime". I doubt very much anyone other than Planned Parenthood themselves mailed these so-called threats to the clinics. They are the biggest liars of all.
42 posted on 11/09/2001 12:47:54 PM PST by FITZ
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"You cannot prove that a fetus is a person any more than you can prove that any human sperm cell and egg cell considered together constitute a "person"."

Deluded sophistry, as I mentioned. I'll stick with science; you can mutter about philosophical theories.

43 posted on 11/09/2001 12:49:02 PM PST by toenail
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I missed this one. Was it publicized at all?

Planned Parenthood is trying to capitalize on the current tragic events. When the anthrax first came out, they mailed themselves some envelopes filled with powder and cried they were exposed to anthrax.....but never shut a single clinic down, supposedly allowing their "patients" to be exposed, because they knew it wasn't a real threat. This is only their latest gimmick.

44 posted on 11/09/2001 12:51:47 PM PST by FITZ
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To: toenail
It's best to ignore those who would kill their own offspring.
45 posted on 11/09/2001 12:52:24 PM PST by FITZ
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"All of the anti-abortion zealots who assert that "abortion is murder" give aid and comfort to abortion clinic attackers"

I believe that abortion is murder, I do not "support" any such movement. You assume too much and show your ignorance on the issue. I give no aid or comfort to groups or individuals that condone or participate in illegal acts. That can't be said by many environmentalist.

"Murder is defined as the unlawful and malicious killing of another, and abortion is not illegal, not malicious, and cannot even be proved to be the killing of another person."

You are wrong, Murder is defined as the taking of Human Life by another human without just cause (as in self-defense, which is also clearly defined). A Fetus is Human by all scientific standards and is alive which constitutes Life. It has separate and distictive DNA, Blood and Brain Waves. Whether it is dependant on another's care for survival is not relevant.

So, in fact stopping a Human from living without just cause is Murder. And a Fetus is a Living Human. That makes Killing a Fetus a Murder. This is not a moral question but a Scientific one, easily explained by simple formula (a (Human or not) + b (Alive or Not) = c (Human Life or Not)). Only idiots complicate the simple.

BTW - Why do you think there has never been a Popular Vote on the issue?

46 posted on 11/09/2001 12:53:43 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: FITZ
"It's best to ignore those who would kill their own offspring."

It's not best for their offspring.

47 posted on 11/09/2001 12:56:17 PM PST by toenail
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To: toenail
Bump on #41
48 posted on 11/09/2001 12:56:40 PM PST by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
"BTW - Why do you think there has never been a Popular Vote on the issue?"

There was a popular vote on it. We call it the ratification of the Constitution, of which one of the stated purposes is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity." The pro-death camp would have us believe that killing our posterity secures our posterity's blessings of liberty.

What there hasn't been a vote on, and the pro-death crowd will never ask for it, is if we can change our Constitution to limit protection to extrauterine persons only.

49 posted on 11/09/2001 1:02:42 PM PST by toenail
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To: CyberCowboy777
Starter reading:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/roe_v_wade_is_not_a_law.htm

http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/seamless/articles/roe/woodward.html

50 posted on 11/09/2001 1:05:07 PM PST by toenail
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