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Fraternity party is sad lesson in racism
Indianapolis Star ^ | Nov. 10, 2001 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 11/10/2001 2:19:30 AM PST by Quilla

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:26:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

My alma mater -- already struggling with slashed state funding, meddling, megalomaniacal trustees and a demoralized faculty -- now has a racial controversy on its hands. In late October, members of two white fraternities, Delta Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi, celebrated Halloween with elaborate, racist tableaux.


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Can you say "redneck"?
1 posted on 11/10/2001 2:19:31 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
It amazes me that people, even near-children like these "dolts", would so brazenly display their utter ignorance and shamelessness at a public or semi-public function. A better punishment would be to make them walk in those costumes through downtown Mobile and see how "funny" they think such disgusting shenanigans are after they get done picking the caps out of their asses.

Oh, and there's nothing wrong with the Confederate flag.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 2:54:10 AM PST by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Quilla
That would not have happened 25 years ago, when the Kappa Alpha fraternity still held an annual Old South Day parade down a main street of the Alabama university town, with its members dressed in Confederate uniforms, girls dressed in hoop skirts

I wonder why? Political Correctness, perhaps?

4 posted on 11/10/2001 3:07:22 AM PST by Dan De Quille
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To: Jonathon Spectre
I'm from Alabama and attended Auburn (although, frankly, I've never heard of these two particular frats) some years ago. I am sad to report that racism is alive and well here.
5 posted on 11/10/2001 3:07:37 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
But the incident is also a striking reminder of the reasons why traditionally white universities have a hard time recruiting African-American students. It's not that black kids are too dumb to get in, as many critics of campus diversity efforts seem to think.

Instead, black students show a healthy skepticism toward attending college on a campus where they would have to endure overt racism of the sort displayed by the dolts of Delta Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi.

These dolts are really just ignorant a$$holes of the worst kind, but the author throws a curve at the end of this piece. This was not overt racism, this was hidden racism that got found out. It has nothing to do with campus diversity efforts. And even less to do with why to many black students have a difficult time meeting entrance requirements.

6 posted on 11/10/2001 3:09:55 AM PST by Fzob
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To: Dan De Quille
I wonder why? Political Correctness, perhaps?

I considered the KA's to be gentlemen (who consumed large quantities of beer, but, hey this was college) who were proud of their southern heritage. If I remember correctly, they had a cannon in their front yard and Old South Day was a beautiful celebration of southern culture.

7 posted on 11/10/2001 3:13:10 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
I doubt these guys were actually KKK.. IMO they were mocking with the Hallween costumes.. attempting to be 'edgy'.. what they are .. is really stupid.
8 posted on 11/10/2001 3:14:57 AM PST by Zipporah
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To: Quilla
I suppose the PC police will supply the sheeple with a list of goverment approved halloween costumes in time for next years holiday.
9 posted on 11/10/2001 3:16:01 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Fzob
I suspect that the majority of racism is hidden, thereby preventing the above-mentioned 'cap in the ass'.

I recall attending an elaborate masquerade party at a girl friend's elegant home in Montgomery, Alabama about 20 years ago. Three fellows apparently thought they were cute in their KKK outfits. They happened to enter through the kitchen, where the hostess' staff of three black ladies were stationed. I was in the kitchen at the time and saw the looks on these ladies' faces. It was horrible. My girl friend's father escorted the three men to the door and they were well lectured before being asked to leave the premises.

10 posted on 11/10/2001 3:25:14 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
What a load of P.C. crap. These frat boys were just having a little fun, and let's face it: they were lampooning racist stereotypes, not celebrating them.

I'll bet, though, that the author has no problem with the real racism spewed by black traitors such as Malik Shabazz and Louis Farrakhan. Oh, wait, only patriotic white Christians can be racist -- sorry.

11 posted on 11/10/2001 3:50:40 AM PST by bassmaner
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To: Quilla
In late October, members of two white fraternities, Delta Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi, celebrated Halloween with elaborate, racist tableaux.
Some dressed as Ku Klux Klan members lynching blacks (fraternity members in blackface). Other white frat boys donned blackface, Afro wigs, heavy gold necklaces and shirts inscribed with the Greek letters Omega Psi Phi to mock members of Auburn's oldest black fraternity.

I wonder how the writer knows this?

12 posted on 11/10/2001 4:01:33 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Jonathon Spectre
Nothing done or said on a college campus should surprise anyone. Between the leftist out of touch professors and the idea that EVERYONE must go to college this is exactly what is to be expected.
13 posted on 11/10/2001 4:02:35 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: bassmaner
Sorry, these guys went way over the line in bad taste. What's next? Concentration camps? It isn't the KKK thing, it's the total lack of judgement.

Oh and the same goes for all those bogus Moslem "students" in this country "celebrating" 9/11. Ship 'em home to their hairy mothers. Idiocy is idiocy no matter what color.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 4:05:38 AM PST by eno_
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To: AppyPappy
Because the brilliant ones chose to do the following:

The faux-KKKers had hired a photographer, who posted the photos on a Web site so the merry pranksters could easily order snapshots online. Needless to say, news of the Web site spread quickly.

15 posted on 11/10/2001 4:07:54 AM PST by Quilla
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To: eno_
Auburn?In Alabama?Racism?Naaaaaaah.
16 posted on 11/10/2001 4:11:28 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Quilla
can you say redneck?

redneck is a term that refers to a farmer's sunburn around their neck for being outside all day tending to their crops. it is a term that is too good for these idiots.

can you say jail time?
17 posted on 11/10/2001 4:18:10 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Quilla
I find this KKK fraternity prank deplorable too, in my heart and my mind. Nor do I care for the NOI/BP/NBP way of thinking.

FYI Ms. Tucker writes for the Atlanta Journal Constitution, not the Indy Star. But I wouldn't be surprised to have the Star run her column, because didn't the Star get sold by the conservative Pulliams to the liberal Gannetts last year?

foreverfree (a white dude who's lived on both sides of Mason Dixon)

18 posted on 11/10/2001 4:23:50 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: bassmaner
This is nothing more than a bunch of stupid frat boys who think that they can do anything they want because of some greek letters. They will still be children when they get out of college. Actually, instead of blackface, the frat boys should have had someone dressed up as Bobby Lowder(the megalomaniacal trustee that is ruining the school)being lynched.
19 posted on 11/10/2001 4:24:24 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: yawningotter
Actually, instead of blackface, the frat boys should have had someone dressed up as Bobby Lowder(the megalomaniacal trustee that is ruining the school)being lynched.

Talk to us, especially those who have never been to the heart of Dixie.

foreverfree

20 posted on 11/10/2001 4:27:01 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: mlocher
I understand that's how the term was originated. But the farmers in my neighborhood ride in air conditioned tractors that rival a Lincoln in terms of comfort features and home mortgages in terms of payments. We don't refer to these gentlemen (the success of their crop production drives our local economy) as rednecks.
21 posted on 11/10/2001 4:28:33 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
Safe to whup up on a redneck. Same people that do are quiet as church mice at other times.
22 posted on 11/10/2001 4:31:02 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Quilla
For the record: As an ardent defender of Southern herritage and flying of Confederate flags let me say that this behavior is disgusting.
23 posted on 11/10/2001 4:32:09 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: Quilla
So a bunch of frat boys get excoriated for donning black face and hoods. I'd like to see the same indignation, outrage, and screams for scalps when blacks openly talk about killing Whitey, cops, or whoever else they decide needs to die. Overtly racist black organizations not only exist on college campuses..............they thrive and usually due to, believe it or not, loads of university and/or government funding. THAT'S alright, I guess, right folks??? Black student publications that are horrible racist rags that continue ONLY due to outside funding, black student unions, various branches of The Nation of Islam or the "New Black Panthers" or any of a variety of similar groups that fairly ooze strident racism.

Yep.............they're just fine.

The hypocrisy of the author and many on this thread just sickens me.

24 posted on 11/10/2001 4:35:37 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Quilla
Not that it really matters, but Delta Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi totally SUCK at AU. That might explain the poor behavior. These are not quality individuals.
25 posted on 11/10/2001 4:37:45 AM PST by Lizzy W
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To: RightOnline
when blacks openly talk about killing Whitey, cops, or whoever else they decide needs to die.

It's like a bad rap song!

27 posted on 11/10/2001 4:39:11 AM PST by Lizzy W
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To: Quilla
Whatever happened to "freedom of expression" and the 1st Amendment?

Don't the same Constitutional protections that apply to crucifixes in urine and elephant-dung smeared pictures of the Virgin Mary apply to these guys too?

28 posted on 11/10/2001 4:40:19 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Quilla
"Can you say "redneck"?

Even the 'rednecks' are disgusted by those Auburn Frats.

29 posted on 11/10/2001 4:43:44 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: yawningotter
Oh Gawd, the dem loving Bobby Lowder is still on the board?

For the record, his brother, Jimmy, is an ardent Republican (big donor, too) and has a wonderful family.

30 posted on 11/10/2001 4:44:33 AM PST by Lizzy W
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To: Jonathon Spectre
I see no problem here. They were at a private party. Their costumes, and their attitudes, are none of the universities business.
31 posted on 11/10/2001 4:45:20 AM PST by quebecois
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To: Jonathon Spectre
I see no problem here. They were at a private party. Their costumes, or their attitudes, are none of the university's business.
32 posted on 11/10/2001 4:46:36 AM PST by quebecois
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To: SauronOfMordor
Maybe the South is trying to actually do something about racism. Frankly, the KKK are looked upon as less than savory characters - I'm trying to be polite here. We don't exhibit the Virgin Mary depicted in elephant dung as art in our museums and some of our judges even display the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms.
34 posted on 11/10/2001 4:49:52 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
I considered the KA's to be gentlemen (who consumed large quantities of beer, but, hey this was college) who were proud of their southern heritage...

Are you saying that lynchings are part of the Southern heritage?

35 posted on 11/10/2001 4:50:52 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: shuckmaster
"I suppose the PC police will supply the sheeple with a list of goverment approved halloween costumes in time for next years holiday."

I don't see this as a 'PC police' issue. I've never been able to comprehend the mindset of the idiots who donned white sheets and hung people because of the color of their skin. IMHO, those frats were exhibiting the same cowardice and lack of human decency.

36 posted on 11/10/2001 4:51:17 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: Pissed Off Janitor
"So can we also force the Muslim students who cheared the 9/11 attacks to dig bodies out of the rubble...no?...I didn't think so."

good idea.. why can't we put them to work at Ground Zero?

37 posted on 11/10/2001 4:53:32 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: Quilla
Some dressed as Ku Klux Klan members lynching blacks (fraternity members in blackface).

Ted Danson?

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38 posted on 11/10/2001 4:53:55 AM PST by JCG
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To: Labyrinthos
No sir. The KA's (Kappa Alpha's) were not party to this action carried out by the Delta Sigma Phi and Beta Theta Pi fraternities.
39 posted on 11/10/2001 4:55:30 AM PST by Quilla
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To: Quilla
"I considered the KA's to be gentlemen "

KA = Animal house at my school. Sloppy drunks and skirt chasers extrodanaire. The cannon always looked cool though.

40 posted on 11/10/2001 5:02:44 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: bassmaner
What a load of P.C. crap. These frat boys were just having a little fun, and let's face it: they were lampooning racist stereotypes, not celebrating them.

You sound alot like the democrap apologists who are always making excuses for Clintoon's boorish behavior, except instead of blaming the VRWC, you blame the PC police.

41 posted on 11/10/2001 5:02:57 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Quilla
Can you say Halloween? It's a holiday noted for costumes and party themes designed to shock, outrage, frighten, and disturb.
42 posted on 11/10/2001 5:09:04 AM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: Quilla
University students should have more work to do so they don't waste all their time on this kind of crap. I bet these are either kids whose parents pay for them to go to school or are receiving scholarships---hopefully not from the taxpayers. Kids who work their own way through college don't have this kind of time on their hands.
43 posted on 11/10/2001 5:14:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Quilla
I stand corrected. Apology offered.
44 posted on 11/10/2001 5:15:34 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: quebecois
"I see no problem here. They were at a private party. Their costumes, or their attitudes, are none of the university's business."

I didn't 'do' the Greek thing in college, but I thought that if they had a party under their Greek letters, they had to maintain certain standards.

45 posted on 11/10/2001 5:17:40 AM PST by sweet_diane
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"had to maintain certain standards"

At most universities today, "standards" are set by radical leftists who seek to ban anything that they don't like (while looking the other way when unsavory things are said and done with which they happen to agree).

What I think about these boy's behavior is immaterial. Auburn university accepts government money, and should be forced to abide by the Constitution....namely the First Ammendment in this instance.

The whole purpose of freedom of thought and freedom of speech is the protection of those forms of expression with which we disagree. No one ever tries to ban agreeable ideas.

The article mentioned that the incident was being "thoroughly investigated". What are they investigating? So long as these boys didn't hurt any one physically, their costumes are no one's business.

The real problem in this country is not racism. The real problem in this country is political correctness. It exploits "extreme cases" to set precedents, which are then used in a subjective, selective manner to persecute anyone who harbors ideas with which the liberals disagree.

46 posted on 11/10/2001 5:24:38 AM PST by quebecois
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To: sweet_diane
I've never understood the mindset of people who dress up like pirates & raid ships or witches who on around broomsticks with big pointed hats or cowboy outlaws pretending to rob banks & shoot innocent Indians or death itself carrying around sycles searching for souls but, you see them every halloween & nobody's kicking them out of school & demanding they be deprived of their education & punished for life because they picked an 'insensitive' party costume on the one day of the year when it's customary for kids to dress up out of character.
47 posted on 11/10/2001 5:32:55 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: Labyrinthos
It is true that lynchings were a part of the Southern Culture.

It is also true that extreme rates of murder and rape are a part of the Black culture. Both were wrong but one is worse than the other. The interesting thing is that only the other is widely excoriated.

My Grandmother's 1st Cousin (and closest friend) was raped and murdered by four Black men. She was a beautiful blond 12 year old. After they were caught, they said they really wanted the black headed one (my grandmother). The girl's family, and the entire community searched for her for nearly a day before she was found in a pond weighed down with logs. Her little dog found her. Her little body had been brutalized beyond recognition.

The Black turpentiners were separated, questioned, and all admitted guilt, giving details. They were all immediately shot to death.

One of those participating in the killing was a Black man who was a friend of the family.

The fascinating thing to me is that there is a web site listing all those lynched during this time. These four are on the list.

On the other hand, there is no monument or rememberance at all for the little 12 year old, except her tombstone.

I expect some time there will be a TV movie made over the incident in which the little girl will be portrayed as a hooker, her parents as toothless rednecks and the murderers as heroes who really tried to save the little girl from her molesting relatives.

The previous is one reason I despise the Southern hating scum who post on this forum.

48 posted on 11/10/2001 5:38:45 AM PST by yarddog
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To: mlocher
can you say jail time?

Jail time?!?! And what other parts of the Constitution do you want to flush?

49 posted on 11/10/2001 5:50:48 AM PST by frossca
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what other parts of the constitution do you want to flush?

when i make similar comments about clinton that are clearly constitutionally invalid, i typically get kudos. yes, we must live by the constitution, but a hate crime is a hate crime (not sure if this qualifies). if we are to rid ourselves of government rules and live free, then we must rid ourselves of racism.

this act is an awful prank. i was also incensed by the author who was very appologetic in her tone about this event.
50 posted on 11/10/2001 6:56:40 AM PST by mlocher
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