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Fraternity party is sad lesson in racism
Indianapolis Star ^ | Nov. 10, 2001 | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 11/10/2001 2:19:30 AM PST by Quilla

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:26:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Howlin
Thanks for posting that information. One interesting thing:

We have also learned that during the party held at Delta Sigma Phi on October 27, 2001, those inappropriately dressed individuals were immediately confronted by the chapter president upon his arrival at the function. He told the individuals involved to immediately change their outfits, which they did.

They may have changed their outfits, but they also stopped to have a photographer take pictures of them in their original costumes. How "immediately" were they confronted, I wonder?

181 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:13 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
You don't see the distinction between dressing as a pirate and dressing as a Klansman?

I don't see it either. Please explain it to me.

182 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:14 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Dressing as a pirate is not an in-your-face expression of racism. Dressing as a Klansman is.
183 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:15 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: sneakypete
Let me add one other thing. I just looked at the pictures of those idiot frat boys dressed in blackface and in Klan outfits. Their costumes weren't all in good fun -- they were meant to be offensive and racist, and they definitely were. And these students were so proud of the obnoxiousness of their attire that they stood there smiling for the photographer!
184 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:23 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
Dressing as a pirate is not an in-your-face expression of racism. Dressing as a Klansman is.

Ahhh,that type of thinking is as clear as mud. I suppose the people murdered and/or raped by pirates were somehow less murdered and/or raped than those murdered and/or raped by the KKK? I see you are slack enough mentally that you suscribe to the "thought crime" theory. Too bad.

185 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:26 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: NYCVirago
BTW,if a pirate were also a racist,would he be somehow "worse" than the other pirates? Should all the other pirates shun him,and not invite him to any of the good parties? Enquiring minds want to know.
186 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:30 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Ahhh,that type of thinking is as clear as mud. I suppose the people murdered and/or raped by pirates were somehow less murdered and/or raped than those murdered and/or raped by the KKK? I see you are slack enough mentally that you suscribe to the "thought crime" theory. Too bad.

Oh c'mon. If somebody dresses as a pirate, it's one of those "Ay Matey" type of outfits, with an eye patch, and is meant to be like a cartoon character. There is nothing cartoonish or cute about dressing as a Klansman -- it is an offensive and in-your-face statement. It's about as lighthearted as showing up to a costume party in a Nazi uniform.

187 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:31 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: sneakypete
BTW,if a pirate were also a racist,would he be somehow "worse" than the other pirates? Should all the other pirates shun him,and not invite him to any of the good parties? Enquiring minds want to know.

Give me a break. These students thought they were so daring and provocative in their blackface and Klansman outfits. To say that their motivations were the same thing as some cartoonish pirate outfit is just silly. Of course, these students had a limit to their edginess, as I didn't hear any reports about them showing up to a black fraternity costume party in their garb. I wonder why not -- according to you, it's the same exact thing as dressing as a pirate!

188 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:31 PM PST by NYCVirago
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To: mlocher
when i make similar comments about clinton that are clearly constitutionally invalid, i typically get kudos. yes, we must live by the constitution, but a hate crime is a hate crime (not sure if this qualifies). if we are to rid ourselves of government rules and live free, then we must rid ourselves of racism.

I'm not sure what you've said about Clinton, but wearing a tacky Halloween costume is not against the law. Clinton, on the other hand, has certainly committed perjury and likely committed rape. Either of those crimes can and should result in someone's going to jail.

What these frat boys did is not a hate crime. A hate crime is an action done with the intent of causing terror, distress, etc. to a particular group of people. These guys were being idiots in their own frat house, and there is no evidence at all that they intended to intimidate anyone.

While I agree that we should work to rid ourselves of racism, sending these idiots to jail does not accomplish that goal. I don't have a problem with the university rescinding their official status, but that is a matter for the university to decide.

I agree with those who say that it is hypocritical to attack what these guys have done without having equal disapproval for the vitriol that many blacks spew towards all whites. (I'm not saying that you approve of black racism. This is just a general comment.)

WFTR
Bill

189 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:35 PM PST by WFTR
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To: NYCVirago
Of course, these students had a limit to their edginess, as I didn't hear any reports about them showing up to a black fraternity costume party in their garb. I wonder why not -- according to you, it's the same exact thing as dressing as a pirate!

The reason for this is obvious. The black racists of today would love a opportunity to ratpack anybody who showed up where they outnumber them by 100 to 1. Note how they can have black fraternities,where whites are not allowed this freedom of association.

BTW,if you think the KKK outfits aren't cartoonish by now,you don't get out much. As far as that goes,the modern KKK is pretty cartoonish,itself. What else can it be when the average member is either stupid enough to be a Kennedy,or is a federal agent?

190 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:42 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Well ole Hillary hell no was a no-show.

To be honest, I am glad he didn't show up. When we arranged to meet, I was so mad that the only thing I could think of was beating the snot out of him.

After having time to reflect, the whole idea was a bad one. All kind of legal repercussions could have followed.

I freep mailed him with instructions that we would meet, go to a secluded location and his brother would then have to go at least a mile away. He mailed me back that he would only meet me on the shoulder of the road. I did not answer him, but was not going to fight him on a public roadway. I decided to just play it by ear if he came. Since he didn't the problem was solved.

191 posted on 11/17/2001 12:44:14 PM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog
Well ole Hillary hell no was a no-show.

That's about what I expected to happen.

To be honest, I am glad he didn't show up. When we arranged to meet, I was so mad that the only thing I could think of was beating the snot out of him.

Yes,Indeedy! I've sure been there!

After having time to reflect, the whole idea was a bad one. All kind of legal repercussions could have followed.

I know what you mean about that. I've offered to meet a few posters myself,and could see nothing but jail time at the end of that road. I had mentally put myself in your position,and I think the first thing I would have done if he had shown up was shoot his brother. This type of thing is generally frowed upon by any LEO's who might happen by.

192 posted on 11/17/2001 1:14:24 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: yarddog; sneakypete
Looks like your grasp of reality is as shaky as ever, Yarddog. We waited for you for over an hour. We did notice an older, heavyset man driving a green truck on the road at 3:15. He sped up greatly when he saw us. I assume that was you. Other than that, it was a quiet afternoon.

It was a good weekend for us. Thanks for the excuse for the road trip. If you wish to reschedule, I will be happy to accommodate you, however, this time, you'll have to meet me, as I don't want to waste the gas on another one of your no-shows. In the meantime, I suggest you stop issuing invitations you don't wish to honor.

193 posted on 11/18/2001 10:34:00 AM PST by Hillary? Hell no!
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To: Hillary? Hell no!
You are a bald faced liar. I don't intend to respond to you again on this thread or any other on any subject. I was driving a 2000 Lincoln Towncar instead of the pickup. There was a new white Chevy pickup, marked "Whiddon Construction" with two middle aged men in it parked at the little store. Other than that no one else came by.

I almost went over to them, but neither matched your description so let them go about their business.

195 posted on 11/18/2001 1:34:30 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Hillary? Hell no!
As I said, I do not intend to discus anything with you but I forgot one thing. Since you were there for over an hour please describe the intersection. What was on each corner? What was on the NW, NE, SW, and SE Intersection? In what shape was the road. The shoulders?
196 posted on 11/18/2001 2:32:40 PM PST by yarddog
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