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Toronto Cops swamped by terror leads -- 'Unbelievable activity' linked to Sept. 11 attacks
Toronto Sun ^ | November 10, 2001 | Tom Godfrey

Posted on 11/10/2001 3:52:08 AM PST by Clive

 Toronto police have been investigating dozens of FBI-generated leads following the U.S. arrest of a Parkdale refugee claimant who is alleged to be a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden.

 Officers said Nabil Al-Marabh left a huge trail of evidence in Toronto and U.S. police are interested in his ties with the suicide pilots and their accomplices who plowed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

 "There was a lot of activity taking place," one senior Toronto cop said yesterday. "It is unbelievable."

 U.S. police said Al-Marabh is among their top five suspects of 1,200 detained in the U.S.

 Police said they've questioned dozens of bin Laden supporters in the Toronto area since Al-Marabh's arrest in Chicago for his role in the U.S. attacks. A number of suspects have been placed under surveillance and their phones tapped.

 An Al-Marabh associate, Hassan Almrei, 27, of Mississauga, has been detained as a threat to national security.

 Police said they've checked hundreds of pages of phone and financial records, searched dozens of licence plates and credit card purchases as part of their hunt for al-Qaida operatives here.

 The Toronto investigation, which has taken officers away from other duties, has prompted Chief Julian Fantino to call for the creation of an anti-terrorism task force.

 Even police association boss Craig Bromell said there should be a unit to hunt terrorists. "There are a lot of people to chase down."

 U.S. police said many of the suspected al-Qaida terrorists were nabbed through the use of the state-of-the-art computer software program Promis.

 The system interfaces with any database and can provide information on credit card, banking, pension, tax, criminal and immigration records.

 Police can input an alleged terrorist name or credit card and the software will provide details of the person's movements through purchases or phone records.

 In other developments, the U.S. Federal Aviation Authority has given the green light to Air Canada to begin flying to Washington's Dulles airport on Monday with two armed Mounties on each flight. The Mounties will remain on the Air Canada jet in Washington. The jet also has to be guarded at Pearson.

 Meanwhile, Peel police have arrested a Toronto man who allegedly assaulted an elderly man and flight stewardess on a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong on Thursday.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: theoctopus

1 posted on 11/10/2001 3:52:09 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
U.S. police said many of the suspected al-Qaida terrorists were nabbed through the use of the state-of-the-art computer software program Promis.

The system interfaces with any database and can provide information on credit card, banking, pension, tax, criminal and immigration records.

Oh well ... so much for privacy. Sigh.

2 posted on 11/10/2001 4:38:01 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: Clive
I was in Toronto last month ... lot of Pakistanies per capita in the city. Found myself doing a little
racial profiling ... screw the PC crowd.
3 posted on 11/10/2001 4:49:16 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
I was in Toronto last month ... lot of Pakistanies per capita in the city. Found myself doing a little racial profiling ... screw the PC crowd.

So it's hard to reconcile your reaction with the PCs telling you that racial profiling is a bad thing? When you get it figured out, let me know.

Quite seriously, I'm trying to deal with the guilt I have over the thought that what I want to happen equates with genocide.

4 posted on 11/10/2001 4:59:43 AM PST by Tazlo
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To: Tazlo
So it's hard to reconcile your reaction with the PCs telling you that racial profiling is a bad thing?

Yeah, right ... a terrible dilemma indeed, I stay awake at night worrying about it! ;)

5 posted on 11/10/2001 5:07:22 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: LSJohn; blam; Judge Parker
Thought y'all might be interested in the excerpt in #2.
6 posted on 11/10/2001 7:16:43 AM PST by Le-Roy
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To: Le-Roy; independentmind; Zordas; zog; BlueDogDemo; roughrider; OKCSubmariner; thinden; mancini...
Thanks for the flag, Le-Roy

" U.S. police said many of the suspected al-Qaida terrorists were nabbed through the use of the state-of-the-art computer software program Promis."

So Promis is (allegedly) still "state-of-the-art" after all these years.

7 posted on 11/10/2001 7:31:02 AM PST by LSJohn
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To: BluH2o
My husband and I discussed a trip to Toronto when we thought we might cancel our planned airline trip after 9/11. I always liked going to Toronto in the past. This time I didn't want to go because the population is just to damn diverse for my tastes right now. We wnt to San Diego instead. LOL
8 posted on 11/10/2001 7:42:06 AM PST by muggs
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To: Clive
" Meanwhile, Peel police have arrested a Toronto man who allegedly assaulted an elderly man and flight stewardess on a Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong on Thursday."

Does anyone know what became of those detained/arrested last week that were coming in from the Phillipines? I've been expecting to see some Islamic Asian terrorists slipping into the country now that we are all concentrating on the 'mid-easterner' types.

9 posted on 11/10/2001 7:53:38 AM PST by blam
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To: Le-Roy
"Thought y'all might be interested in the excerpt in #2."

Isn't that the 'secret' spy program that was sold to all our enemies, including Bin Laden?

10 posted on 11/10/2001 7:56:17 AM PST by blam
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To: Tazlo
This PBS show will calm your nerves about profiling and whether it is correct or not. Please don't hold me guilty for your nightmares. Look at it with Real Player.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

11 posted on 11/10/2001 8:03:34 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Clive
I've heard a few Toronto denizens claim that there couldn't possibly be a problem with terrorists in their city... let alone, Canada. So much for that delusion.
12 posted on 11/10/2001 8:08:02 AM PST by grimalkin
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To: blam; LSJohn
"Isn't that the 'secret' spy program that was sold to all our enemies, including Bin Laden?"(Promis)

According to some folks with Agendas on here (Fred2.5, Poohbah, sinkspur, etc.) Promis is just KooK material now. Obsoleted, down the tubes, trashed...... Just like all the KooKy stuff about OKC, Waco, Ruby Ridge and Mena.

But most their comments are deleted, after a respectable time, huh?

13 posted on 11/10/2001 9:53:55 AM PST by rdavis84
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To: LSJohn
Interesting bit of name-dropping on their part.

Thanks (as always) for the heads up.

14 posted on 11/10/2001 11:40:37 AM PST by Askel5
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To: rdavis84
Wish Uncle Bill's thread were back up. Had that and the Bloodhound big three back online for a while but at present all are back offline.
15 posted on 11/10/2001 11:46:07 AM PST by Askel5
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To: LSJohn
--probably improved on a lot, too. Bet it's been crakked and is available for d/l someplace as well.

words for the new millenium, as seen on a commercial, with apologies to karl malden--- "cash--don't leave home without it!"

add in, spare throw away quickstore/truckstop pre-paid cell phone

16 posted on 11/10/2001 12:20:17 PM PST by zog
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To: rdavis84; Clive; Wallaby
Hmmmm.....

A bureaucrat was making a routine inquiry. The government, he said, was using Promis and was hoping a French version was available. Some 900 government offices had it.

Alarm bells went off at Inslaw. Canada wasn't licensed to use the case- management software.

Later, officials in Ottawa insisted there had been a mistake and the software wasn't Inslaw's Promis after all. At that time, both the RCMP and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service denied they were using Promis or a version of it.

TALE OF SPIES AND CONSPIRACIES [INSLAW and PROMIS return to the news]

17 posted on 11/10/2001 12:43:25 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek; Askel5; Boyd
Here's one that Boyd posted way back ---- Microsoft's 'Promis': French Intelligence

There are some links on it, but beware, I think some "intel" types played a game with some of them. They get you to a "XXX" entry site that runs you around in circles trying to get back out :-)

18 posted on 11/10/2001 2:11:53 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: Askel5
Well, phooey. You're right, that link is currently unavailable (hopefully only temporarily).

However, here's a link to another of Uncle Bill's excellent compilations, with tons of links, some info about Promis, some links about the 'blood trail'. Folks can take off from there, and hopefully find more.

Vince Foster - The Mirage of Suicide and the Reality of Murder

19 posted on 11/10/2001 2:42:24 PM PST by Le-Roy
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To: Alamo-Girl; aristeides; GeorgeandtheDralgore; syriacus
a Parkdale refugee claimant who is alleged to be a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden

You all might be interested in the name of the town - "Parkdale."

Remember the Vassar expert, Don Foster, thought the writer of the anthrax letters may have had a Canadian connection.

20 posted on 11/10/2001 3:28:40 PM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
"Parkdale."

Hi, gumbo. This is interesting. Sort of like Greendale, among other things. Thanks for alerting me to the thread. I love to know what's developing!

I will probably be flying again tomorrow to take care of my Mom for a week, like I did 3 weeks ago. I hate to think of missing out on all the things that are being discussed here on FR. Only a little TV reception and no computer connection where I am going.

21 posted on 11/10/2001 4:17:17 PM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
I hate to think of missing out on all the things that are being discussed here on FR. Only a little TV reception and no computer connection where I am going

FR will have it all solved by the time you get back. Have a good trip.

22 posted on 11/10/2001 4:38:21 PM PST by gumbo
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To: gumbo
Thanks for the ping. Another very interesting clue. I just love mysteries...
23 posted on 11/10/2001 4:41:00 PM PST by Elenya
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To: zog
"cash--don't leave home without it!"

Yeah, but make sure it's in uncirculated bills. 85%+ of circulated U.S. currency $20 and larger have sufficient drug residue to be detected by drug-sniffing dogs.

25 posted on 11/10/2001 8:06:29 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: gumbo
Thanks for the heads up!
26 posted on 11/10/2001 10:28:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: LSJohn; rdavis84; Senator Pardek; Clive; Askel5; Wallaby; Boyd; Uncle Bill
1st time I've seen anybody admit to using promis.

gives a lot of credibility to the Insight series re: mountie investigation of promis.

27 posted on 11/11/2001 10:58:07 AM PST by thinden
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To: Senator Pardek; Wallaby; Plummz; rdavis84; LSJohn; rubbertramp; Boyd
the following is taken from a reply post by Plummz to a Wallaby thread originally posted in 2K:

To: Wallaby
And I just found this at orlingrabbe.com, sourced to Canada's National Post two days ago:

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Promis

Software Open to Hackers Found in RCMP Computers Rigged with trap doors: Investigators fear police, intelligence files compromised.

Illegally produced software suspected to have been vulnerable to hackers has been found in RCMP computers, the National Post has learned -- a situation that may have exposed Canadian intelligence files to theft by foreign spies.

Two sources confirmed yesterday that RCMP officers have interviewed them about a software package called Promis, which is used to store information and evidence compiled by police, prosecutors and intelligence agencies.

The Mounties told both men that illegal versions of the software had been found in the RCMP's own databases -- despite the fact the licensed designers of the package never sold it to them.

"[The investigators] have confirmed to me that they have Promis software in the RCMP," said John Belton, a former Ontario stockbroker who has researched the case as part of an unrelated lawsuit.

"They also told me that they have stolen computer software that was evidently bugged to obtain access by foreign interests to sensitive police and security related files."

A second source, requesting anonymity, said the RCMP has been looking into the issue for more than a year, fearing that intelligence files in Canada may have been compromised.

The case is potentially embarrassing for the Mounties, who routinely compile intelligence on and evidence that could be of interest to other countries. Their files include information on individuals who are considered threats to national security and civil order, such as those linked to terrorist groups, drug dealers and human smugglers.

Moreover, the RCMP also exchanges information with the country's civilian spy agency, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), whose intelligence would be of great interest to other countries.

The RCMP confirmed yesterday that it had launched an investigation but refused to elaborate on its purpose or scope. Nor would it disclose whether the RCMP had been using Promis or any variation of it.

"But we want to reassure Canadians that, to date, we've found nothing to indicate that national security was ever compromised," said Staff Sergeant Mike Gaudet, a spokesman at RCMP headquarters in Ottawa. "Because we're conducting an investigation I can't tell you any more than that."

The revelations come on the heels of published reports that the RCMP has launched an investigation into the origin of software found in Canada -- reports the police confirmed yesterday.

An article published yesterday in a Toronto newspaper suggests the program used here was a pirated version, rigged with a "trap door" to allow American and Israeli agents to dial in to eavesdrop. The reports did not, however, say which agencies had made use of the software, only that Canadian intelligence files were at risk.

CSIS representatives denied yesterday that that agency had ever used a version of Promis, legal or illegal.

And the director of the agency that oversees CSIS noted that allegations U.S. operatives had copied versions of Promis and rigged them with trap doors -- keys that would allow hackers who knew the code to access files undetected -- first surfaced in 1991. According to published reports at the time, the copies were then sold to the governments of other countries, including Canada, Britain and Australia.

"We did ask about it at the time and CSIS investigated," said Susan Pollak of the Security Intelligence Review Committee in Ottawa. "They looked at all the angles and reported back that they used no version of the software, bootlegged or otherwise."

Other branches of the federal government cannot be so sure. The National Post has obtained copies of a letter sent by Communications Canada to Inslaw Inc., the Washington-based makers of Promis.

In it, a bureaucrat says some branches of the government are using Promis, and requests copies of training manuals to go with the program. Another official with the communications department later told Inslaw by phone that the RCMP was using the package in its field offices; altogether, the software was at work in about 900 locations throughout the Canadian government.

When Bill Hamilton, the owner of Inslaw, called back to inform them he had no record of software being sold to Canadian agencies, Ottawa began backtracking. It later claimed that it had mixed Promis up with another software package of the same name.

The National Post, August 26, 2000

11 Posted on 08/28/2000 07:21:30 PDT by Plummz
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28 posted on 11/11/2001 11:20:33 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
"It later claimed that it had mixed Promis up with another software package of the same name."

Riiiiight! (wink wink;-)

The other software was "Promises, Promises". A Primer for politicians.

29 posted on 11/11/2001 12:14:39 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: thinden
I remembered the essence of this but not the details. Thanks for resurrecting it.
30 posted on 11/11/2001 8:16:13 PM PST by LSJohn
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To: thinden
The Mounties told both men that illegal versions of the software had been found in the RCMP's own databases -- despite the fact the licensed designers of the package never sold it to them.

The Mounties also get NLETS with their PROMIS and Minesweeper and Shockwave and whatnot. NLETS is also the little ditty the ex-Chicago cop used to help him operate a large jewelry theft ring.

31 posted on 11/11/2001 8:50:48 PM PST by Plummz
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To: thinden; Zordas
My premise: whoever killed Vince Foster walked off with Promis. So we have a clue with the above article that it was not Bin Laden's boys. Could it have been?...The PROMIS software was one of the reasons bin Laden went to the 'underground' banking. The Mossad grabbed PROMIS and modified it to their own needs so fast, it was amazing. Orlin Grabbe's articles maintain that the Mossad was seen with Vince Foster walking into his apartment on the day of his death.

If that's so, the Israelis are now in control of law enforcement for the world. Personally, I think Ariel Sharon is a nut; so this can't be a good thing.

32 posted on 11/12/2001 4:40:03 AM PST by rubbertramp
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