Hell Freezes Over!

Lew Rockwell ^ | 11/10/01 | Minority Mike

[Ada Coddington]

Hell Freezes Over!
by Minority Mike

Great balls o’ fire! Katy bar the door! An’ shut my mouth wide open! I ain’t been this stunned since Biggun Stump said he couldn’t go fishing with me one weekend ‘cause he was going to a Meryl Streep film festival! My head is spinnin’ fer sure. The reason for my bewilderment is that one of the foulest bunch of socialist organizations known to man, and one of the foulest socialist men known to any organization, issued a couple of statements the other day that actually ring true! Believe it or not – an’ I know how hard it is to believe – The American Civil Liberties Union and the treasonous bastard formally known as President Clinton both said some things that contain facts! Astoundin’ ain’t it? Hell it’s damn near extraterrestrial! I know y’all find it hard to swallow, but just look here what these droopers had to say.

THE ACLU – In case you missed it, John Ashcroft and his so-called Justice Department set fire to the Constitution the other day and the first piece of it to fall to the floor in ashes was the Sixth Amendment. Your right to private counsel is now just so much dust thanks to a counselor who did it in private! Ashcroft – such a fitting name – has declared that the Feds will now be allowed to listen in on conversations between people held in federal custody and their attorneys. This includes people who have not only not been arrested, but those who haven’t even been charged with anything! John Law and his pals only need to "detain" you should they alone deem it necessary to prevent violence or terrorism! By law, the Feds can now "detain" you forever should they happen to label you a suspected terrorist! To their credit – and I can’t believe I’m writing this – The ACLU spoke out in dissent! Laura Murphy, the ACLU’s Washington office director said, "The idea that this could be happening to innocent people is really disturbing. A lawyer’s effectiveness can be dramatically diminished if the government is listening in, making a client fearful of disclosing all that the attorney needs to know to mount a forceful defense." In an example of incredible understatement, Murphy described Ashcroft’s action as "a terrifying precedent."

If you think this outrageous rape of the Constitution only applies to criminals you are criminally mistaken. This applies to anyone the Feds wish to "detain." Got an NRA sticker on your vehicle? Belong to a militia? Feel like booing the next fork-tongued politician that comes to town? Want to pray before kickoff at the next high-school football game? Are you one of the firemen who jeered Hillary off the stage? Do you reserve your God-given-Constitutionally-affirmed-payed-for-with-the-blood-of-patriots right to dissent from the agenda of the monster known as the federal government? Then I’ll be seeing you in detention soon because brother, that’s where those of us who love our country but fear our government, are heading.

The ACLU has issued a mountain of crapspeak in the past, but I’ve got to take my hat off to them on this one. For once they got it right.

BILL CLINTON – The treasonous former President and Pervert-In-Chief spoke to about a 1000 dim-witted Hillary Youth at Georgetown University the other day and inadvertently told a little bit of truth! I’d never heard Billy Jeff speak the truth before so you may be able to understand my confusion when I read the following statements attributed to the man who makes Benedict Arnold look like Yankee Doodle.

"...If you live in a country where you’re never required to take responsibility for yourself, where you never even have to ask whether there’s something you should be doing to solve your own problems, then people are kept in kind of a permanent state of collective immaturity and it becomes quite easy for them to believe that someone else’s success is the cause of their distress."

Truer words were never spoken and brother, Bill Clinton ought to know. This disgusting piece of walking sewage has spent his entire life working for the rise to power of the irresponsible and collectively immature. For a guy whose credo seems to be "The Big Boys Made Me Do It," this is an astounding piece of self-analysis. Concerning the freezing of terrorists bank accounts, the man who doesn’t know what color he is had this to say:

"We need to strengthen our capacity to chase the money and get it, and we need some legislation on that."

Words of wisdom from a ruthless tyrant who knows all there is to know about chasing money. If Bill had ever uttered the words, The Buck Stops Here, he wouldn’t have been talking about responsibility, he would have been talking about the buck. I’m confused about the legislation part though. Bill rarely bothered with legislation while he was busy destroying the country. Executive orders were more his style.

So there you have it. Truthful statements from folks who think truth is a four-letter word.

Next thing ya know Morris Dees will be joinin’ The League of the South and Jesse Jackson will get a job that doesn’t involve extortion. No doubt about it, Hell has frozen over!

Y’all take care now, hear?

November 9, 2001

Minority Mike, aka Michael J. Bates, can be reached at thunder_foot@hotmail.com. His wife, Margaret, helps him with the big words in the letters you write him.

[backhoe]

Doggone, Ada- you have finally posted something I agree with!

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

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[Khepera]

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[riley1992]

I love Minority Mike and this piece is no exception. This rule should terrify everyone to their core but, of course, it won't.

[Ada Coddington]

You're a better man than I am. I couldn't get that thing formatted.

[Whilom]

Ironic, but appropriate, that Lew Rockwell is in the same boat as Bill Clinton and the ACLU.

[riley1992]

You're a better man than I am.

Uh oh. Been pursuing extra-curricular activities lately? LOL

[verity]

Subtitle: Breaking an Ankle on the Slippery Slope!

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Must be that Clinton thought he was lying.

[Libloather]

Liberteens don't do very well with war - huh?

[1 FELLOW FREEPER]

Here we go again, with Jello John Asheap with our Injustice Department

[aomagrat]

Office of Homeland Security = American Gestapo

[MissAmericanPie]

Nothing like using a tragedy to push through an agenda that would have been impossible pre 9-11. They say this will all go away in four years, or will have to be renewed by congress in four years. They say if this begins to be abused it will have to be looked at. These are the same people that ignored the warnings leading up to 9-11.

I say, since we are so busy changing things, that some things are too important for congress or the government to decide. I say that such radical changes, such as, immigration, abortion, treaties such as GAT and NAFTA, the Terrorist Bill, and all listed in this article, must be taken out of the hands of goverment, and placed in the hands of citizens by popular vote, up or down on an issue.

This is really the only way to bring government to heel and make it more subject to the will of the people, and the only way to bring accountability and insure that the reins of power are always in the hands of the governed.

[Landru]

"If Bill had ever uttered the words, The Buck Stops Here, he wouldn’t have been talking about responsibility, he would have been talking about the buck."

Ain't it the truth.

[Architect]

The CONSTITUTION is supposed to do this.

The problem, tex, is that, however beautiful the notion of a constitutional republic may be in theory, in practice it has utterly failed. The Constitution has ceased to have any effect on political discourse since FDR threatened to pack the courts in 1937. Instead, unconstitutional legislation gets passed by a corrupt congress, which does not even read the bills. Sycophantic lawyers and perverted courts then uphold this illegal legislation, despite the plain and obvious words of the constitution.

There are lots of problems with direct democracy (and I’m not saying I’m in favor of it). But it's certainly better than the representative kind. Perversions like baby murder would never get through this process.

Unless you can figure out how to force the politicians and the courts to respect the word of their forefathers, I’m with Ms. Pie. Get legislation out of the hands of the politicians and give it back to the people, sheep though they may be. I’ll go farther. Put all legislation to a direct vote. At least that way, there won’t be so much of it.

[backhoe]

Get legislation out of the hands of the politicians and give it back to the people, sheep though they may be. I’ll go farther. Put all legislation to a direct vote. At least that way, there won’t be so much of it.

You know, I keep toying with that idea myself... and fretting over the dangers of direct democracy. But it just seems like the present "system" has become so corrupt and cumbersome that something different needs to be tried.

[MarkWar]

>Put all legislation to a direct vote. At least that way, there won’t be so much of it.

I don't think this would help. It would still the the "administrators" -- whomever they would turn out to be (lawyers, businessmen, activists, etc.) -- who would queue up the issues that the people would decide about. And it would still be the media that would shape all the input people used to make their decisions.

The whole infra-structure of the sheeple state seems to be totally independent of the particulars of government. I speculated about this in my thread: Constitution as a _Conceptual_ Maginot Line

Mark W.

[AuntB]

I know it seems simplistic, but all that has to happen is to vote out the corruptors in the congress. I'll stick with a republic. As bad as most of our legislators are I trust them more than the people....remember it's the 80% of the people who are demanding more "security".

[MissAmericanPie]

Oh you think? Ninety percent of Americans wanted a halt or more control of immigration, the issue of government funded abortion would be a squeaker, but treaties such as GAT or NAFTA would not have been accepted in their present form.

The average American has more common sense than our government, and far more at stake, so I don't get your claim that what we have now is so superior to an up or down vote by the public.

[Snardius]

You know, I keep toying with that idea myself... and fretting over the dangers of direct democracy. But it just seems like the present "system" has become so corrupt and cumbersome that something different needs to be tried.

We can start with getting the career politician out of congress. Then we can require our representatives to live and work in their districts -- make them hold a legislative session like state legislatures do. Close or decentralize almost all federal agencies. Offer a financial incentive to vote...if you vote, you get a tax credit.

Please, help me, I can't stop myself...

[Impeach the Boy]

The Lew Rockwell cultist see that Treason Bill and the ACLU agree with them, and they don't see what this should tell them. The Chicken Little Society pulls out its' broad brush and claims we live in a police state, and that Ashcroft is nothing short of the anti-Christ....Please, all you tin foils, move to Cuba, live there a few years, and IF Castro ALLOWS you to come back, at least THEN you will know what a police state is. It is ASSINE to call the US a police state.

[backhoe]

As bad as most of our legislators are I trust them more than the people....remember it's the 80% of the people who are demanding more "security"

I really haven't lost sight of that... I just get so fed up with those rotters in DC & Atlanta that I could... start a revolution?

[backhoe]

You'll get no arguement from me- I wish the SOB's would be forced to stay at home most of the year and abide- to the letter- with the laws and regulations they force us to live with.

[MissAmericanPie]

Thanks for the link, I'll read it and I may have questions later if you don't mind.

[tacticalogic]

Sooner or later the Bush pushers will have to admit that us libertarians were right - Bush is building an All American Gestapo.

Not likely. They'll still be defiantly walking around in shorts, shivering their butts off, and telling us we're too stoned to read a thermometer right.

[AuntB]

Still marching to the tune! Actually I heard one of the farmers on radio yesterday that is attending the "science" review for KF. He said all of the board was VERY interested to find out that sucker kills were high during high lake levels and they thrive when it's low. I'm holding out for HOPE.

[KC_for_Freedom]

Sooner or later the Bush pushers will have to admit that us libertarians were right - Bush is building an All American Gestapo.
Not likely. They'll still be defiantly walking around in shorts, shivering their butts off, and telling us we're too stoned to read a thermometer right.

Your right (except about the shivering), we are willing to give Ashcroft some rope on this because right now he is using the rope to hang some devil lawyers and their clients who are tied up in the 9-11 attack and won't talk. (Now I would support torture, but I suppose that is unconstitutional too).

Do not forget that Ashcroft has affirmed the second ammendment as an individual right and we can use the second ammendment to stop the Police state you all mistake this emergency for. If Clinton was doing this I would be on your side in a heartbeat (in fact remember how we feared a real emergency right up to his departure?), but I doubt the ACLU would object (if Clinton were still in. Get a grip and look at your bedfellows, and keep watchful.

[Teacher317]

Soooo, which of the Bill of Rights' protections are left?

• The First Amendment has been the trial lawyer's playground for years. We now have dozens of exceptions to every section.
  • "Free Speech" is de facto repealed on many public campuses with PC laws, as well as numerous workplace, public safety, and "Hate" exceptions.
  • "Freedom of Religion" only applies to non-Christian religions, and has been replaced with Freedom FROM any hint of religion in society. The IRS also owns a church in Indianapolis, because they disagreed with the idea that the church employees could volunteer to pay both halves of the employment taxes.
  • "Freedom of the Press" has been a boon for the Socialist movement.
  • "Freedom of Assembly" is subject to permits, ordinances and lawsuits.
  • "Freedom to petition Government for redress of greivances" no longer applies to tax cases.
  
  
• The Second Amendment has 22,000 laws invalidating the active phrase "shall not be infringed".
• The Third Amendment is irrelevant, since we send them enough money to build entire CITIES for the troops
• The Fourth Amendment is gone, thanks to no-knock raids, sealed warrants, and our new seizure laws that give a financial incentive to LEO's to abuse the system. Thank the WO(s)D for most of that progress.
• The Fifth Amendment is abused with eminent domain claiming lands for 'critical' public works like the Clinton Library and saving creatures like the mud-crested whiffled upper-west-side-of-Altoona banana worm's 14 ft puddle-habitat from Mrs. Bixby's cats. (Not a real case, for any lurker who might be reading)
• The Sixth Amendment is now repealed thanks to the War on Terrorism. (see the rest of this thread for that)
• The Ninth Amendment has been interpreted out of existence, now that activist judges have found things like a right to abortions (usurping the infant's right to live), rights for endangered species (coming before our property rights), etc.
• The Tenth Amendment has been completely ignored for decades, has been taunted with Al Gore's "No controlling legal authority" phrase, and was repealed by Bill Clinton's Executive Order #13083... until it was noticed, and quickly rescinded and replaced by THREE subsequent EO's that said essentially the same thing, but tempered with MANY exceptions to be ignored.

The original articles of the Constitution that ensure FReedom have also been repealed.

• The Fourteenth Amendment's promotion of Equal Protection under the law has been replaced with quota systems and unequal requirements for employment, the military, scholarship, and basic laws that give exceptions to government officials.
• 1913 introduced the Sixteenth Amendment that now allows the citizenry to be used as slave labor for the government (for the first 5 months of the year, currently), and has reversed the notion that people are entitled to the fruits of their own labor.
• The Seventeenth Amendment (also in 1913) has changed checks and balances of populations and states each having their own house in Congress. Now we simply have two popular representative Houses to bicker with each other at our expense.

So what's left of the precious Bill of Rights?
---The Seventh Amendment will never die, because the lawyers in Congress WANT more business.
---The Eighth Amendments protections from cruel and unusual punishments are no longer the issue... a total LACK of appropriate punishment is the bigger problem we face today.

Rest In Peace, beloved American Liberty. You were a beacon for the world while you lasted.

[Teacher317]

LOL! Oops! posted on the wrong thread... that's what I get for FReeping in TWO windows!

[NoCurrentFreeperByThatName]

Don't sweat it. It's still a good post.

[WindMinstrel]

how can something be both ironic and appropriate?

[Architect]

I can't believe that you trust politicians and lawyers over real people. Why do you trust them to vote for "representatives" then?

As for "security", remember the Senate vote for the unPATROIT Act was 98-1.

Perhaps if people had to think about the consequences of choosing security over freedom, instead of leaving it to someone else to do their thinking, they'd actually make some good decisions. You can be damn sure that they'd be ready to arm pilots for one thing.

[Shortyleigh]

Well, I'am all for the right to privacy, and I stand behind our American freedoms;BUT WHEN YOU COMMIT SUCH ACTS THAT WHERE COMMITED ON SEPTEMBER 11TH YOU SHOULD NO LONGER HAVE ANY OF THE FREEDOMS OF AN AMERICAN OR EVEN THAT OF A HUMAN BEING! I feel if it will protect this TERRIFIC country, and its WONDERFUL, law-abiding, God fearing citizens, then snoop into any and all of those letters, tap into every phone, if that means your phone or mail, or even mine, so be it, I can stand I bit of privacy invasion if it will mean tomorrow I'll still live in the greatest nation ever....

[MeekOneGOP]

Hell Freezes Over!

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It has???? All right! My day has FINALLY arrived! ;-)

[MeekOneGOP]

BILL CLINTON – The treasonous former President and Pervert-In-Chief spoke to about a 1000 dim-witted Hillary Youth at Georgetown University the other day and inadvertently told a little bit of truth!

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Yeah? Well, I'm not so sure about how much truth he actually spewed, but here's the article on that was posted here on FR:

Clinton Joins the Blame-America-First Crowd [Major Barf Alert]

[MeekOneGOP]

You're right. Life is better in Afghanistan! (/sarcasm)

[MeekOneGOP]

LOL! Oops! posted on the wrong thread... that's what I get for FReeping in TWO windows!

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Truly? Then I take back my reply post #47. LOL

[tacticalogic]

we are willing to give Ashcroft some rope on this because right now he is using the rope to hang some devil lawyers and their clients who are tied up in the 9-11 attack and won't talk. (Now I would support torture, but I suppose that is unconstitutional too).

Ah yes. The "end justifies the means" argument. This was always one of Clinton's favorites, too.

Do not forget that Ashcroft has affirmed the second ammendment as an individual right and we can use the second ammendment to stop the Police state you all mistake this emergency for. If Clinton was doing this I would be on your side in a heartbeat (in fact remember how we feared a real emergency right up to his departure?)

Well, gee, how generous of him. Maybe the next AG will let us keep the First Amendment in exchange for the Second. Ever heard of "precedence"? Any constitutional wiavers you're willing to grant Bush/Ashcroft automatically become fair game for the next Clinton/Reno. I might have a little more faith if Ashcroft acted like he was paying any attention at all when Bush said he supported states rights.

[Kevin Curry]

Why should it surprise anyone that at a fundamental level, fringe libertarianism, Bill Clinton, and the ACLU are triplet pups whelped by the same dysfunctional bitch?

I've been wise to this for some time.