Skip to comments.FREEPS, THE CLINTON CLAN MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!
Posted on 11/10/2001 7:57:28 AM PST by bobono
I admire Mr. Robinson for his willingness to provide a conservative forum. Sadly, this forum does little to diminish the impacts of the issues to which freepers respond.
Do we intend to simply continue to satisfy our need to express our outrage by useless postings? At what point do we direct this common spirit into political (and non-violent) activism? I envision a future post that says Hillary provides nukes to Bin Laden and the Freeper response would be limited to posting a thousand I-Hate-Hillary posts. What is our threshold, if not the current events? What will it take to get us organized into productive action?
For example, the threads accurately suggesting that Clinton was treasonous seem to indicate that there is a general belief in gross, criminal wrongdoing and crimes against the state. But if we believe that, why are we content with only posting? Yes, we all agree about the issue, but isnt Clinton lucky to have critics who conduct their responses to crime by complaining in cyber space?
I like Bush, but I remain angry with him and with Ashcroft for not directly pursuing these Clintons. As a result, Bush has perpetuated the Clinton damage that the whole world sees. Such completely awful Clintonian behavior has not only gone unpunished, it has been rewarded by the United States. Bush was elected to restore dignity and to clean up. He has not exhibited signs of acting against those who soiled the nation the Clintons. Why?
Now we must come together to demand Bush acknowledge the mandate to move against the Clintons. America seeks an assessment of blame, and the Clintons, in their arrogance, have provided an obvious solution. Recent incidents have raised the public perception (and disgust) about Clintonian evil.
Bill, as a former war protesting draft dodger and former Commander-in Chief, publicly blames America for terror inflicted upon it. Hillary, as senator of the state where terror struck, when greeted by a crowd that she was unable to hand-pick and control, is nationally booed by the people that allegedly voted for her, exposing that the true public despises her. Chelsea, as a brainwashed idiot, has been recently exposed as both a fool and a liar.
Public awareness of Clintonian evil is growing. At a minimum, Clintons should all be stripped of pension and protection based on their anti-Americanism. At a midpoint, they should be imprisoned for civil and criminal acts. At full measure , the Clinton clan should be tried, convicted, and punished as traitors.
Jim, it is your forum, and you have a huge and growing following. You have achieved recognition on almost all conservative news outlets. Can you somehow develop an effective action committee? Isnt our collective inaction tantamount to tacit approval, or is it something far worse?
Jim, would you respond?
Well thank you for letting us know your opinion of Free Republic, Jim and the Freepers.
Reality is a stern taskmaster. Firstly, no president in history has ever allowed investigation of a former president. Most often for good reasons.
Secondly, as for activism, I agree with your premise, but again reality gets in the way. It takes money, time, people and dedication, FR has none of these in hand.
As for history, no former president investigated by next Prez. But this is unlike any other former president. If not now calling for change, then what?
Posting information is a vital first step in educating people about important matters. Many grass root activities have been organized as a result of articles posted on Free Republic. What activities have you participated in as a result of FR.?
Chelsea free of spin? Not in a million years.
FReep Halibut Award-- Dishonorable Mention
We agree on the value of posting, but it relies on follow-up action, which I am seeking Jim's help in promoting
Please focus on my intent, as uninformed as it may seem. Can't we do more than yak?
So, does anyone have any intelligent and workable ideas that we can implement to see to it that justice is served?
I wonder if those in the media that acknowledge FR would help - Rush, Sean, Mike, etc...and how about Ms. Coulter?
Money...Perhaps you recall the two ads from long ago that FR had in the Washington Times. Getting the money was worse than pulling hens teeth. The end result was worth it as it got FR put on the cyber map.
Presidential sins...Never ever trust any politician, of any stripe, to leave office with clean skirts, it has never happened.
As for your comment about it always being this way with past politicians, it seems almost to play into the hands of the "everybody does it" and the "let's just move along" crowd...
Bobono, if you want this done, you must take the LEAD. You must be willing to take action yourself. What a cop-out to insist that Jim jump in. At the least, it seems that you are trying to put Jim on the spot. My opinion, Jim needs not to defend himself to you, as to why he isn't willing.
Sorry, bobono, this isn't the way to get things done. You must not expect others to do what you aren't willing to do yourself.
This is due to the strength of the MEDIA, that, up to this point in time, has had no counter-balance.
EFFECTIVELY MANAGED, WE CAN BE THE EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION TO THE MEDIA
I am trying to have a civil discourse, therefore please do not assume anything as to how I feel.
In otherwords you are saying the work done by myself and countless others concerning the ads were, pointless, needless, worthless or how would you characterize them????
At the time they were the only action in town. We did what we could with what we had. That fact remains the same today. Any and all political causes that want to go national in scope, have got to have money. Ask Ross Perot.
I do not subscribe to the, "all the others do it". Check history, read me the names of any presidents that ever investigated another president for wrong doing. It has never happened. Just as now, Ashcroft is blocking any investigation into Janet Reno.
If we continue to rely on history to guide us, we will conform to the same mistakes. This is about change, and NOT tolerating Ashcroft's willingness to replace Reno as ineffective head of DOJ....we need a consolidated voice to say so, not a thousand individual posts, or an obscure and expensive advertisement. Sorry if I offended - not intended.
May I add to that list, " how about David Schippers ?"
I feel as strongly as you that the xlintons should be punished, but, you know what?... it ain't ever going to happen. Let me tell you why. Bush may be a infinitely better person than x42, but he is a loyal member of the elite ruling class of this country. From the white house on down thru the state govts, even down into the local govts of large population centers, gov't today is a single, massive entity tasked only with self-perpetuation, unlimited growth and increased control of the masses.
Bush is conducting his war, Ashcroft is busy burning the tattered remains of the Constitution and the rest of the national-level politicians are busy scurrying around building their power and control. The bad thing is, after this latest chapter of the american empire is written, we'll be less free, less safe and less wealthy. The state will be bigger, more intrusive, more powerful, and all the members of the elite, xlintons included, will be living high on the hog, on our dime.
We allowed the state to get way too much out of control to turn it back around. Its all downhill from here, folks. Remember what happened to the last honest, decent, reform-minded outsider to be elected president (Jimmy)? Washington nearly destroyed him. Fault him all you want, but he tried to do what he believed what was right for the country and he couldn't change a thing. Trying to elect good people to reform the system is like pouring clean water into sewage... no matter how much water you add, you still get sewage. The system can corrupt good people faster than they can be elected, and those that can't be corrupted (Jimmy, Ron Paul) are marginalized, ignored or driven from power.
Remember Bob Barr's "Inquiry into Drafting Letters of Impeachment?"
( 1997, I *think* )
I was on board for that- writing letters, calling talk shows, sending money when I could.
Well, we did, at least, get the corrupt & treasonous SOB impeached, if not thrown out of office. Considering 90% of the news and entertainment industries were against us, I'm surprised we got as far as we did. Educating the public, then as now, is the key.
I post stuff like this:
because I am still trying to educate people... and I get sick of doing it, tired of hammering on the same old stuff... but I also know that many, many people have never, ever heard these things before. If I reach just one more person a day who wakes up out of their TV-induced stupor and says "Geez! That bunch was a pile of criminals!" then I'm doing something to the good.
There is so much more I could tell you, and I'm not trying to give you a hard time- the point is, we have to first bypass the corrupt, celebrity-worshipping media ( in all its forms ) and get more & more people to educate themselves & get their own news. Instead of the Pap spoon-fed by Kicky Katie and her pals on TV, who are still madly in love with the 'toons. Even now after all we've seen and been thru, they still adore the rotter. Think "moon-struck teenager..."
Here's most of what I have published on FR, and a fair amount of it has links in one way or another to that hideous pair who raped America:
I have more, but have housework to do, groceries to get, an ailing wife to tend, and old, old Mom to see.... back ( maybe! ) later....
So, what to do? In addition to individual letter-writing, think about circulating a well-written and well-documented petition throughout the country. As we get people to sign, we can also introduce them to FR and other conservative sites on the net through a handout sheet with website addreses. We can also set up a speakers bureau, which we must commit to supporting, both financially and by providing audiences for the speakers.
If any of you Freepers see any merit in these suggestions, or have better ones, please post.
Some can, some can't for whatever reasons. If nothing else, people are taking information and ideals expressed here with them into their daily lives and sharing them.. could be around the copier at work, waiting for the subway or even while being interviewed by Brit Hume! There is something to be said for that.
We don't get many opportunities from FReeping down here in South Alabama, but we do have the bad habit of discussing politics and religion (when we don't think any yankees are listening!), and I know I've enlightened quite a few people about the Clinton way of thinking. Those people take what they learned with them into the polling booth and hopefully, make wise voting choices. Same thing with the folks who saw the DC FReepers on a daily basis... something had to have sunken in.
Anyway... I definately see your point, just let's remember that there is value even in yaking.
We can all agree on many things, if we are not divided as the left would seek. I say the symbolic value of incarcerating the Clintons would be huge, and serve as a warning that all policians will be accountable for gross and willful misconduct and malfeasance and crime and rape and treason and......... How about a national slogan or project that is something to the effect of "Convict the Clintons" and honestly and factually lay out their crimes against the state and the desire of the "people" to have them arrested and tried?
Why not create a means of voicing your displeasure in a more productive manner - say, appealling to the media for a grassroots uprising seeking symbolic justice in the form of Clinton incarceration?
We must take action, before it is too late...
Unless we send a message to Clinton AND TO BUSH that protecting the ruling class will cause the masses to embrace further interest in reform, leading them to rise up as our patriotic founders did, they are reasonably expected to continue to perpetuate these crimes against us.
Ok... once we get "Convict the Clintons" bumperstickers everywhere, how do we get the rest of the message out? Other than having them (and their minions) cross-examined on CourtTV, I just don't see how we could get the info out without folks thinking it was all VRWC lies.
I already think its too late. You can fight a particular battle against the state and, rarely, if the stakes of losing aren't too big, you can win. Bringing the xlintons to trial for treason, murder, theft, bribery, war crimes, etc, etc (all of which I believe they are guilty of) would have too many repercussions for the gov't to ever let that happen.
Liike I said before, the gov't is a big, monolithic criminal organization that protects its own, past, present and future. And unlike the mob, they can make you pay on live TV, in front of a national audience (Waco), and get away with it. Our voices don't mean a thing.