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FREEPS, THE CLINTON CLAN MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!!
vanity | 11-10-01 | self

Posted on 11/10/2001 7:57:28 AM PST by bobono

I admire Mr. Robinson for his willingness to provide a conservative forum. Sadly, this forum does little to diminish the impacts of the issues to which freepers respond.

Do we intend to simply continue to satisfy our need to express our outrage by useless postings? At what point do we direct this common spirit into political (and non-violent) activism? I envision a future post that says “Hillary provides nukes to Bin Laden” and the Freeper response would be limited to posting a thousand I-Hate-Hillary posts. What is our threshold, if not the current events? What will it take to get us organized into productive action?

For example, the threads accurately suggesting that Clinton was treasonous seem to indicate that there is a general belief in gross, criminal wrongdoing and crimes against the state. But if we believe that, why are we content with only posting? Yes, we all agree about the issue, but isn’t Clinton lucky to have critics who conduct their responses to crime by complaining in cyber space?

I like Bush, but I remain angry with him and with Ashcroft for not directly pursuing these Clinton’s. As a result, Bush has perpetuated the Clinton damage that the whole world sees. Such completely awful Clintonian behavior has not only gone unpunished, it has been rewarded by the United States. Bush was elected to restore dignity – and to clean up. He has not exhibited signs of acting against those who soiled the nation – the Clintons. Why?

Now we must come together to demand Bush acknowledge the mandate to move against the Clintons. America seeks an assessment of blame, and the Clintons, in their arrogance, have provided an obvious solution. Recent incidents have raised the public perception (and disgust) about Clintonian evil.

Bill, as a former war protesting draft dodger and former Commander-in Chief, publicly blames America for terror inflicted upon it. Hillary, as senator of the state where terror struck, when greeted by a crowd that she was unable to hand-pick and control, is nationally booed by the people that allegedly voted for her, exposing that the true public despises her. Chelsea, as a brainwashed idiot, has been recently exposed as both a fool and a liar.

Public awareness of Clintonian evil is growing. At a minimum, Clinton’s should all be stripped of pension and protection based on their anti-Americanism. At a midpoint, they should be imprisoned for civil and criminal acts. At full measure , the Clinton clan should be tried, convicted, and punished as traitors.

Jim, it is your forum, and you have a huge and growing following. You have achieved recognition on almost all conservative news outlets. Can you somehow develop an effective action committee? Isn’t our collective inaction tantamount to tacit approval, or is it something far worse?


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1 posted on 11/10/2001 7:57:28 AM PST by bobono
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To: Angus_Day
Who will join? Who will lead?

Jim, would you respond?

3 posted on 11/10/2001 8:03:47 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
"Do we intend to simply continue to satisfy our need to express our outrage by useless postings? At what point do we direct this common spirit into political (and non-violent) activism?"

Well thank you for letting us know your opinion of Free Republic, Jim and the Freepers.

4 posted on 11/10/2001 8:05:38 AM PST by IVote2
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To: bobono
bo...

Reality is a stern taskmaster. Firstly, no president in history has ever allowed investigation of a former president. Most often for good reasons.

Secondly, as for activism, I agree with your premise, but again reality gets in the way. It takes money, time, people and dedication, FR has none of these in hand.

5 posted on 11/10/2001 8:07:21 AM PST by cynicom
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To: IVote2
I don't get it - this is the extent of your comments pertaining to all that was stated? This was a call to action, not a criticism. Sorry if you felt personally challenged.
6 posted on 11/10/2001 8:08:15 AM PST by bobono
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To: cynicom
In this age, perhaps money is less necessary - we have free access to internet publication. We have media attention. Reality changes as forces move it in a particular direction. Don't give up.

As for history, no former president investigated by next Prez. But this is unlike any other former president. If not now calling for change, then what?

7 posted on 11/10/2001 8:10:43 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
Do we intend to simply continue to satisfy our need to express our outrage by useless postings?

Posting information is a vital first step in educating people about important matters. Many grass root activities have been organized as a result of articles posted on Free Republic. What activities have you participated in as a result of FR.?

8 posted on 11/10/2001 8:12:18 AM PST by slimer
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To: bobono
"We were amazed at how sensitive and smart and wise this young woman was," Brown said. "Chelsea was completely free of spin."

Chelsea free of spin? Not in a million years.

FReep Halibut Award-- Dishonorable Mention

9 posted on 11/10/2001 8:14:16 AM PST by let freedom sing
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To: bobono
Personally I found your post "uninformed", since you don't seem to have any idea of what Freepers have actually done. As to "challenged", I was merely being "polite".
10 posted on 11/10/2001 8:14:29 AM PST by IVote2
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To: slimer
I agree, but the intent was not to trade activism stories, but instead, to engender a common form of support for common ideals repressented here. I am frustrated with the strength of the opinions and the corresponding weakness of the action leading to constructive change.

We agree on the value of posting, but it relies on follow-up action, which I am seeking Jim's help in promoting

11 posted on 11/10/2001 8:15:19 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
Ping me when you are "Ready to Roll" To hell with POLITICS, lets get some JUSTICE.
12 posted on 11/10/2001 8:15:50 AM PST by Zeno44
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To: IVote2
What is productive about your reply? Do you view me as insincere, or are you more interesting in defending the status quo?

Please focus on my intent, as uninformed as it may seem. Can't we do more than yak?

13 posted on 11/10/2001 8:17:06 AM PST by bobono
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To: Zeno44
I am ready to join, ready to roll, but I am appealling for someone with credibility to lead - Jim?????
14 posted on 11/10/2001 8:18:09 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
Well said! I suppose we rail against the Clintons because doing so does serve our need for catharsis when we feel so frustrated that the criminals are allowed to go free, when instead they should be incarcerated.

So, does anyone have any intelligent and workable ideas that we can implement to see to it that justice is served?

15 posted on 11/10/2001 8:19:26 AM PST by Dixielander
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To: Dixielander
thanks dixie - I really seek Jim to address this, and of course, I would volunteer to help organize. But I admit/confess to being no leader. But I would be there to be involved. How does one directly address Mr. Robinson?

I wonder if those in the media that acknowledge FR would help - Rush, Sean, Mike, etc...and how about Ms. Coulter?

16 posted on 11/10/2001 8:23:28 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
bo...

Money...Perhaps you recall the two ads from long ago that FR had in the Washington Times. Getting the money was worse than pulling hens teeth. The end result was worth it as it got FR put on the cyber map.

Presidential sins...Never ever trust any politician, of any stripe, to leave office with clean skirts, it has never happened.

17 posted on 11/10/2001 8:25:02 AM PST by cynicom
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To: bobono
From your lips to God's ears. You are absolutely correct in your assessment of the clinton crimes going unpunished. I too would like to see more activism on this board. I do my part by calling and e-mailing President Bush to bring the clintons to justice. I have tried every angle I can think of. My latest is to tell him that because the clintons have been let off the hook and set up in splendor by our government, the terrorists could use that as evidence of our unworthiness and of us being infidels to the followers in the Muslim world. I am angry Fox, Rush and every other conservative bastion for not going after the Vince Foster murder. That alone should sink these evil clintons. But everybody zips up when it is mentioned. I just keep hammering away at phone calls and e-mails. That's all I can think to do. If all of us did that, perhaps we might make some headway but I don't see if happening.
18 posted on 11/10/2001 8:27:37 AM PST by Samizdat
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To: bobono
You might consider getting involved in the FR Chapter in your area. Jim Rob could probably help you with location and members. Freeper protests, rallies and activities are going on all over the place.
19 posted on 11/10/2001 8:28:27 AM PST by slimer
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To: cynicom
We have volume, we have numbers, we do not need to pay for ads. We have media attention. We might benefit from organizing as we obtain the free press!!

As for your comment about it always being this way with past politicians, it seems almost to play into the hands of the "everybody does it" and the "let's just move along" crowd...

20 posted on 11/10/2001 8:28:29 AM PST by bobono
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To: Samizdat
thanks - you are right, and it seems like you ARE doing all you can do at the moment. But if Jim (or someone else of size and credibility) would offer to lead our actions beyond those you stated, I believe as you seem to that we would be a force of change for the good of the country....
21 posted on 11/10/2001 8:30:26 AM PST by bobono
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To: slimer
thanks, but again, based on your suggestion, that's just me seeking Jim again - I have done that. Now, we need Jim, (or some strong and credible leader) to offer to consolidate our voice and our intent.
22 posted on 11/10/2001 8:32:24 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono

Hillary Clinton Says Americans should Shovel Chicken $h!t to get themselves back to work.


That’s basically what she just said when asked on CNN what poultry waist has to do with national security.
23 posted on 11/10/2001 8:32:45 AM PST by Fearless Flyers
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To: Fearless Flyers
......starting with her and the two other Clinton clan members, I presume? Or are they technically lower than pollo poo?
24 posted on 11/10/2001 8:33:48 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
I focus on the Vince Foster murder because all that needs to be done is for Ashcroft or someone of authority to pronounce that it was not a suicide. Then all eyes would turn to the clintons. A murder in the White House. Think of that! Their other crimes would follow. Its really very simple but those in authority refuse to touch it. I don't know why. It is such a blatant murder that any fool could see. I keep praying and calling.
25 posted on 11/10/2001 8:34:02 AM PST by Samizdat
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To: bobono
Pet Peeve - someone who "volunteers" someone else to do something that they, themselves, are not willing to do.

Bobono, if you want this done, you must take the LEAD. You must be willing to take action yourself. What a cop-out to insist that Jim jump in. At the least, it seems that you are trying to put Jim on the spot. My opinion, Jim needs not to defend himself to you, as to why he isn't willing.

Sorry, bobono, this isn't the way to get things done. You must not expect others to do what you aren't willing to do yourself.

26 posted on 11/10/2001 8:38:16 AM PST by i_dont_chat
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To: Samizdat
I agree - but look at what was said during the impeachment trials - that even if the documents in the evidence room were viewed (which they were not) by all the congress/senate and if it all proved Clinton had lied, treasoned, raped, etc. we still couldn't get a conviction.

This is due to the strength of the MEDIA, that, up to this point in time, has had no counter-balance.

EFFECTIVELY MANAGED, WE CAN BE THE EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION TO THE MEDIA

27 posted on 11/10/2001 8:38:21 AM PST by bobono
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To: Fearless Flyers
Would you mind expanding on what you just stated about hitlery? I am curious.
28 posted on 11/10/2001 8:39:59 AM PST by Republic
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To: bobono
bo...

I am trying to have a civil discourse, therefore please do not assume anything as to how I feel.

In otherwords you are saying the work done by myself and countless others concerning the ads were, pointless, needless, worthless or how would you characterize them????

At the time they were the only action in town. We did what we could with what we had. That fact remains the same today. Any and all political causes that want to go national in scope, have got to have money. Ask Ross Perot.

I do not subscribe to the, "all the others do it". Check history, read me the names of any presidents that ever investigated another president for wrong doing. It has never happened. Just as now, Ashcroft is blocking any investigation into Janet Reno.

29 posted on 11/10/2001 8:40:15 AM PST by cynicom
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To: i_dont_chat
My comments are born from admitted inability to lead, rather than unwillingness. I don't mean to put Jim on the spot. But if Rush had to choose between providing a guest spot to me or to Jim, who do you think Rush would choose. I have no name recognition - Jim does. And I offered an "out" to Jim by stating that it could be anyone with similar credibility.
30 posted on 11/10/2001 8:40:59 AM PST by bobono
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To: Republic
Sorry, I meant pollo caca, but I sought alliteration
31 posted on 11/10/2001 8:41:42 AM PST by bobono
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To: cynicom
Nothing personal - you seemed to claim ads were difficult and ineffective - I was proposing an alternative.

If we continue to rely on history to guide us, we will conform to the same mistakes. This is about change, and NOT tolerating Ashcroft's willingness to replace Reno as ineffective head of DOJ....we need a consolidated voice to say so, not a thousand individual posts, or an obscure and expensive advertisement. Sorry if I offended - not intended.

32 posted on 11/10/2001 8:45:12 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
I wonder if those in the media that acknowledge FR would help - Rush, Sean, Mike, etc...and how about Ms. Coulter?

May I add to that list, " how about David Schippers ?"

33 posted on 11/10/2001 8:54:13 AM PST by DreamWeaver
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To: Republic
I went to look for the transcript but it hasn't been posted yet. Hillary was interviewed on CNN, the final question asked her to explain what poultry waste had to do with National Security. Apparently this is part of the National Security bill going through the Senate, and they had a video clip of Daschel vigorously supporting the issue. Hilary spent about three minutes dancing around the issue and criticizing the house bill that was sent to the Senate. In the end she said that poultry waste was a viable way to get Americans back to work.
34 posted on 11/10/2001 9:13:54 AM PST by Fearless Flyers
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To: bobono
I like Bush, but I remain angry with him and with Ashcroft for not directly pursuing these Clinton’s.

I feel as strongly as you that the xlintons should be punished, but, you know what?... it ain't ever going to happen. Let me tell you why. Bush may be a infinitely better person than x42, but he is a loyal member of the elite ruling class of this country. From the white house on down thru the state govts, even down into the local govts of large population centers, gov't today is a single, massive entity tasked only with self-perpetuation, unlimited growth and increased control of the masses.

Bush is conducting his war, Ashcroft is busy burning the tattered remains of the Constitution and the rest of the national-level politicians are busy scurrying around building their power and control. The bad thing is, after this latest chapter of the american empire is written, we'll be less free, less safe and less wealthy. The state will be bigger, more intrusive, more powerful, and all the members of the elite, xlintons included, will be living high on the hog, on our dime.

We allowed the state to get way too much out of control to turn it back around. Its all downhill from here, folks. Remember what happened to the last honest, decent, reform-minded outsider to be elected president (Jimmy)? Washington nearly destroyed him. Fault him all you want, but he tried to do what he believed what was right for the country and he couldn't change a thing. Trying to elect good people to reform the system is like pouring clean water into sewage... no matter how much water you add, you still get sewage. The system can corrupt good people faster than they can be elected, and those that can't be corrupted (Jimmy, Ron Paul) are marginalized, ignored or driven from power.

35 posted on 11/10/2001 9:18:10 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: bobono
Neighbor, long before I'd ever been on the web, or heard of Free Republic, I was doing my damdest to "get" the clintons & their ilk.

Remember Bob Barr's "Inquiry into Drafting Letters of Impeachment?"
( 1997, I *think* )

I was on board for that- writing letters, calling talk shows, sending money when I could.

Well, we did, at least, get the corrupt & treasonous SOB impeached, if not thrown out of office. Considering 90% of the news and entertainment industries were against us, I'm surprised we got as far as we did. Educating the public, then as now, is the key.

I post stuff like this:

-clintonism in one easy lesson--

because I am still trying to educate people... and I get sick of doing it, tired of hammering on the same old stuff... but I also know that many, many people have never, ever heard these things before. If I reach just one more person a day who wakes up out of their TV-induced stupor and says "Geez! That bunch was a pile of criminals!" then I'm doing something to the good.

There is so much more I could tell you, and I'm not trying to give you a hard time- the point is, we have to first bypass the corrupt, celebrity-worshipping media ( in all its forms ) and get more & more people to educate themselves & get their own news. Instead of the Pap spoon-fed by Kicky Katie and her pals on TV, who are still madly in love with the 'toons. Even now after all we've seen and been thru, they still adore the rotter. Think "moon-struck teenager..."

Here's most of what I have published on FR, and a fair amount of it has links in one way or another to that hideous pair who raped America:

Backhoe's Digs- links to more links

I have more, but have housework to do, groceries to get, an ailing wife to tend, and old, old Mom to see.... back ( maybe! ) later....

36 posted on 11/10/2001 9:23:52 AM PST by backhoe
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To: bobono
I think our media friends are consistent in publishing the dirty truths about the Clintons, and they are being heard. But...there are still so many immoral and ignorant people in this country who worship the duo, that its a tough job to convince them that their worship is misplaced. Also, our elected and appointed representatives in government are afraid to act because of fears that their crimes or indiscretions might come to light.

So, what to do? In addition to individual letter-writing, think about circulating a well-written and well-documented petition throughout the country. As we get people to sign, we can also introduce them to FR and other conservative sites on the net through a handout sheet with website addreses. We can also set up a speakers bureau, which we must commit to supporting, both financially and by providing audiences for the speakers.

If any of you Freepers see any merit in these suggestions, or have better ones, please post.

37 posted on 11/10/2001 9:24:28 AM PST by Dixielander
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To: Fearless Flyers
Thanks---er, 'a viable way to get Americans back to work'? What a laughable, idiotic statement. Gish. Let's see that creep shovel some, herself.
38 posted on 11/10/2001 9:27:13 AM PST by Republic
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To: bobono
"Can't we do more than yak?"

Some can, some can't for whatever reasons. If nothing else, people are taking information and ideals expressed here with them into their daily lives and sharing them.. could be around the copier at work, waiting for the subway or even while being interviewed by Brit Hume! There is something to be said for that.

We don't get many opportunities from FReeping down here in South Alabama, but we do have the bad habit of discussing politics and religion (when we don't think any yankees are listening!), and I know I've enlightened quite a few people about the Clinton way of thinking. Those people take what they learned with them into the polling booth and hopefully, make wise voting choices. Same thing with the folks who saw the DC FReepers on a daily basis... something had to have sunken in.

Anyway... I definately see your point, just let's remember that there is value even in yaking.

39 posted on 11/10/2001 9:43:20 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: Republic
the image of Hillary doing anything remotely associated with the people's work would be catastrophic to the image she has assembled....but I would pay to see her in an orange jumpsuit doing just that
40 posted on 11/10/2001 9:46:11 AM PST by bobono
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To: sweet_diane
I agree wholeheartedly in the value of yakking, but I am really upset. We all find excuses for doing no more. This is serious stuff, and we are watching (and yakking) as the once proud nation evaporates!!
41 posted on 11/10/2001 9:48:10 AM PST by bobono
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To: backhoe
Yours is a tireless crusade - but what if those energies, and the energies of us all were more productively assigned to action?
42 posted on 11/10/2001 9:49:18 AM PST by bobono
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To: Dixielander
Thanks for also encouraging ideas !!! I agree we have poor leadership - but we need something that borders on a revolution to demand the majority be heard. The majority does not want its ex-Prez embarrassing us further.

We can all agree on many things, if we are not divided as the left would seek. I say the symbolic value of incarcerating the Clintons would be huge, and serve as a warning that all policians will be accountable for gross and willful misconduct and malfeasance and crime and rape and treason and......... How about a national slogan or project that is something to the effect of "Convict the Clintons" and honestly and factually lay out their crimes against the state and the desire of the "people" to have them arrested and tried?

43 posted on 11/10/2001 9:54:45 AM PST by bobono
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
You seem more aware of the futility of conventional means (elections, letter writing) than most

Why not create a means of voicing your displeasure in a more productive manner - say, appealling to the media for a grassroots uprising seeking symbolic justice in the form of Clinton incarceration?

We must take action, before it is too late...

44 posted on 11/10/2001 9:57:17 AM PST by bobono
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To: DreamWeaver
Had anyone actually listened to him (Schippers), we might have a new understanding of what it means to be an American (corruption will be punished!!).

Unless we send a message to Clinton AND TO BUSH that protecting the ruling class will cause the masses to embrace further interest in reform, leading them to rise up as our patriotic founders did, they are reasonably expected to continue to perpetuate these crimes against us.

45 posted on 11/10/2001 10:01:16 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
Well bobono... we're on the same page. I'm bookmarking and hoping for answers.
46 posted on 11/10/2001 10:03:40 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: sweet_diane
thanks, and YOU can call me Bo....
47 posted on 11/10/2001 10:06:30 AM PST by bobono
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To: bobono
"How about a national slogan or project that is something to the effect of "Convict the Clintons" and honestly and factually lay out their crimes against the state and the desire of the "people" to have them arrested and tried?"

Ok... once we get "Convict the Clintons" bumperstickers everywhere, how do we get the rest of the message out? Other than having them (and their minions) cross-examined on CourtTV, I just don't see how we could get the info out without folks thinking it was all VRWC lies.

48 posted on 11/10/2001 10:14:10 AM PST by sweet_diane
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To: bobono
We must take action, before it is too late...

I already think its too late. You can fight a particular battle against the state and, rarely, if the stakes of losing aren't too big, you can win. Bringing the xlintons to trial for treason, murder, theft, bribery, war crimes, etc, etc (all of which I believe they are guilty of) would have too many repercussions for the gov't to ever let that happen.

Liike I said before, the gov't is a big, monolithic criminal organization that protects its own, past, present and future. And unlike the mob, they can make you pay on live TV, in front of a national audience (Waco), and get away with it. Our voices don't mean a thing.

49 posted on 11/10/2001 10:16:10 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: bobono
bttt
50 posted on 11/10/2001 10:19:52 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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