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Anger seethes toward West - Muslims torn between love of Islam and America.
Calgary Sun ^ | November 11, 2001 | LICIA CORBELLA

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:08:05 PM PST by NorthernRight


November 11, 2001

Anger seethes toward West

Some Muslims in North America secretly hate their adopted society

By LICIA CORBELLA -- Calgary Sun

I read an article this week that so disturbed me -- though enlightened me at the same time -- I thought I would share it. It is a piece written by Dennis Wagner of the Arizona Republic and was titled: "Muslims torn between love of Islam and America." It is a deceptive title since nowhere in it was there any indication that these so-called Americans loved America at all.

It started out quoting Moayaad Hamad, who was wearing a striped Polo shirt, Nikes and was donning a cellphone strapped to his 501 Levis. This is what he had to say about his adopted country.

"It's getting to the point where I hate being here, even though I'm a citizen," said the 22-year-old structural engineer from Phoenix. "I don't think many (Muslims) are willing to say this because they are afraid to say it ... The Qu'ran doesn't justify taking out the World Trade Center, but Islam means not just peace, but freedom. You have to defend yourself."

It's the "but," that really gets me there. What, pray tell, is anyone defending themselves against by slamming commercial jet liners into the World Trade Center. But that's not what really troubled me.

The same article goes on to interview Ihsan Saadeddin, spokesman for the Phoenix Islamic Community Center, who is described as having a beautiful suburban home with a child's painting of an American flag on the front door.

"I love the Constitution of America. I love the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech," Saadeddin said. Yet, says the article, he also believes "the ideal system is a male-controlled Islamic state," and he acknowledges discomfort with free speech that criticizes Islam.

Maybe it's because I'm a woman and women -- let's be perfectly frank -- don't fare too well in countries that describe themselves as following Islamic law. What's maddening is this fellow would like to have it both ways.

He currently "loves" the freedom of religion and speech enshrined in the U.S. Constitution because it allows him to practise his beliefs and say what he wants.

But, let's not beat around the bush here. If he and most of his fellow believers had his way, he would tear up the very foundation that gives him his rights in order for him to impose his views on his fellow Americans and me.

As one Christian pastor who is familiar with Muslim countries wrote in an email recently: "Islam advocates and pleads for tolerance wherever it is in the minority; it advocates, implements and practices suppression and violence wherever it is in the majority."

I know this column will anger many Muslims, but before you write me to complain, finish this little exercise: Name one country that follows Islamic law that can be said to be free and just and that has more people immigrating to it than want to emigrate from it?

You won't be able to because not one exists.

For the most part, Muslims want to move to the West. The Qu'ran very clearly calls on its believers to "fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qu'ran, Sura 9:5.

It is probable that the vast majority of North American Muslims do not think that non-Muslims must be slain. But if not in body, certainly in spirit. Though the body will do in certain circumstances.

Saadeddin, the fellow who says he loves the constitution, when asked to comment on the Palestinian who straps a bomb to his body and blows up a pizzeria full of women and children, views that as justified.

"If someone fights to gain his freedom, that's not terrorism," he said. "I don't even call them suicide attacks there. I call them martyrs."

The Levis-wearing engineer, Hamad, said: "I don't see anything necessarily wrong with the bombing of the (USS) Cole," referring to the attack in Yemen last year that killed 17 U.S. sailors.

This fellow is an American?

Elisabetta Burba, an Italian journalist, reported for the Wall Street Journal from Beirut that she saw well-heeled professionals cheering in the streets following the Sept. 11 attacks.

"The cafe's sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked or moved. They were excited, very excited," she wrote.

She was told that 90% of the Arab world believes that America got what it deserved.

"An exaggeration?" she asks. "Rather an understatement."

Until recently I believed that seething anger towards the West existed only in far flung places of the world. But of late -- and I have much more evidence -- I'm starting to fear that many people who live in North America secretly feel the same way.

It troubles me and here's why.

I know that I would be executed post-haste in virtually any Islamic country for doing just what I have done here, write some facts and some opinion that the rulers don't like.

On this Remembrance Day (Veteran's Day) most of us will reflect on the high cost of freedom.

Those angry men I have quoted here have exercised that hard-won freedom.

We will have dropped the torch thrown to us by the failing hands of our veterans if we refuse to listen -- and hear -- their frightening message.


Licia Corbella, editor of the Calgary Sun, can be reached at 403-250-4129 or by e-mail at licia.corbella@calgarysun.com. Her columns appear Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday.
Letters to the editor should be sent to
callet@sunpub.com.



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To: NorthernRight
It's good to hear that, NorthernRight. I correspond with several Canadians on another board and, while they are all supportive of the US, there is a good deal of hand-wringing and concern about Afghan civilians (like the Taliban really is concerned about it's own citizens). Granted the folks I talk to are mostly college age so maybe that explains the slant to the left. Many are of the opinion we should look for a non-military solution, even in light of the events of Sept. 11.
21 posted on 11/11/2001 6:53:00 PM PST by Randjuke
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To: NorthernRight
I think we need to do far more than hear and listen. Despite what Ted Kennedy has shoved on citizens, our government would be wise not to let anymore of these swine become citizens or residents. It takes more than rushing to the capitol steps to sing God Bless America, after they almost had their fannies blown off, to be worthy of the office they hold.
22 posted on 11/11/2001 6:53:23 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: GOPJ
And just as all German's were not Nazi's, all Muslims are not terrorist.

You are confusing ethnic origin with ideology. Nazism and Islam are ideologies, evil ones. Germans, Arabs, etc. are ethnic groups.

23 posted on 11/11/2001 6:54:19 PM PST by atafak
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To: NorthernRight
Ping me if you post the article about the Canadian mullahs who continue to operate with their in their a$$e$.
24 posted on 11/11/2001 6:54:31 PM PST by Aaron_A
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To: Randjuke
It's nice to see this type of article coming from our Northern neighbor.

Canada is practically the kingdom of PC. Watch her get charged with a hate crime.

25 posted on 11/11/2001 6:59:46 PM PST by white trash redneck
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To: NorthernRight
and he acknowledges discomfort with free speech that criticizes Islam.

These folks are absolutely incapable of comprehending the concept.

They do not belong in this country period.

26 posted on 11/11/2001 7:04:54 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: MissAmericanPie
The Koran fully supports BinLaden's actions, and the Moslem clerics know it.

The so called American Islamics are in major denial which is typical of cults.

27 posted on 11/11/2001 7:11:57 PM PST by Dallas
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To: NorthernRight
"If someone fights to gain his freedom, that's not terrorism," he said. "I don't even call them suicide attacks there. I call them martyrs."

If a naturalized U.S. citizen is discovered to have been a Nazi, he can have his citizenship stripped and he can be deported.

It is time for the U.S.A. to start treating the followers of Radical Islam the same way that it treats Nazis.

28 posted on 11/11/2001 7:15:05 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Calpublican
The problem with Islam is that the very uncomplicated part of the religion does not say anything about getting along with others. It says to acknowledge Allah and Mohammad. It says to pray 5 times a day. It says to visit Mecca. It says to fast in the correct month.

This is it. You have to be a scholar to read into the Koran enough to learn that doing that which is hurtful to another is wrong. But the simple muslims don't get it. The Koran should say clearly that muslims and non-muslims are both worthy of not being hurt in the name of the religion.

The point is that its easy to turn ignorant muslims to a life of crime and hate. The religion is not structured properly. Take Judaism: the ten commandments get to the part of not doing murder rather quickly. Take Christianity: The Christ represented love of your neighbor as yourself. And this is not hidden deeply in the scriptures. Muslim is only a tolerant religion when it is explained by tolerant clerics. Which is why the failure of these very clerics to come forward in voice and writing in large numbers is particularly bad for the religion in the west.

29 posted on 11/11/2001 7:19:30 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: NorthernRight
Incredible! Do any of these people have an IQ above room temperature? They think it's so wonderful here, but if they could just make one little change - like turn it into a theocracy ruled by males - here wouldn't be wonderful anymore. Why even come here - they had theocracy ruled by males where they were. Oh, that's right, the ultimate goal is for the whole world to be muslim.

I'm getting a little tired of seeing all these headlines about their hate and anger toward the west, I think it's time they worry about how much we hate them.

30 posted on 11/11/2001 7:20:54 PM PST by Let's Roll
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Well said!

The more I learn about this "peaceful" religion, the more uncomfortable I get.

31 posted on 11/11/2001 7:25:16 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: NorthernRight
Someone send this article to Bush and the rest of the Media.
32 posted on 11/11/2001 7:33:29 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: NorthernRight
And to every other American...
33 posted on 11/11/2001 7:34:27 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: Aaron_A; Randjuke; VOA; DistantVoice; XBob; Mia T; NYC GOP Chick; backhoe; JohnHuang2; monkeyshine
FYI
34 posted on 11/11/2001 7:39:05 PM PST by NorthernRight
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To: atafak
Islam is a political and religious system dedicated to our destruction. Islam is the enemy.

So very true, yet most real Americans, some FReepers included, have not been able to grasp this simple concept. I consider every muslim to be my enemy. Anyone who doesn't is either naive or foolish. The only reason they don't behave like their kind who live in predominantly muslims countries is that they are only 7 million strong here...which is 7 million too many as far as I'm concerned. Yet we still allow America to be a dumping ground for this filth who hate us so much. When will we wake up?

35 posted on 11/11/2001 7:43:17 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: Aaron_A; Randjuke; VOA; DistantVoice; XBob; Mia T; NYC GOP Chick; backhoe; JohnHuang2...
Ooops...

The Imams... article is now posted at:

Imams question focus on bin Laden
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/568846/posts

Enjoy!

36 posted on 11/11/2001 7:44:31 PM PST by NorthernRight
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To: NorthernRight
Good article. Sadly, I fear she is right.
37 posted on 11/11/2001 7:47:14 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Dallas
They darn sure don't bother to deny it very loudly. They have been so silent so far that it's far to late for them to bother to say anything. Anything they say now will fall on deaf ears. We have their number and it's zero, zero tolerance for them being in this country. I plan to make it my business to harangue every congressman every week until their secretaries are begging them to kill me or until they reject any notion of allowing any more of them to settle here.
38 posted on 11/11/2001 7:57:26 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: NorthernRight
"If someone fights to gain his freedom, that's not terrorism," he said. "I don't even call them suicide attacks there. I call them martyrs."

Well join your Jihad friends then. We're waiting....

39 posted on 11/11/2001 8:00:59 PM PST by Lent
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To: NorthernRight
"he also believes "the ideal system is a male-controlled Islamic state," and he acknowledges discomfort with free speech that criticizes Islam."

This best defines why all Muslims are unfit to be American citizens. Allowing them to emigrate here makes as much sense as it would have made to allow members of the Kremlin to emegrate to the U.S. and set up indocrination schools here during the worst days of the cold war.

Wake up Americans and western civilization!! These people with their wacky beliefs and militant behavior created one dark age in the past, and will gladly do soagin, if allowed.

40 posted on 11/11/2001 8:03:51 PM PST by ZULU
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