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Without overvotes Gore was doomed
St. Petersburg Times ^ | November 11, 2001 | STEVE BOUSQUET and THOMAS C. TOBIN

Posted on 11/11/2001 6:26:57 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy

More than 2,100 Florida voters who wanted Al Gore to become president tried to make doubly sure of their choice. So did more than 1,300 voters who backed George W. Bush.

They marked a ballot for their candidate and then wrote in his name for president, too. Or they circled the name, or tried to scratch out a mistake, or otherwise made a second mark to emphasize their choice.

Those votes could have turned the election for Gore. But the extra emphasis ensured they wouldn't count.

Instead, the ballots were labeled as overvotes, or ballots which machines read as having marks for more than one candidate and were never recounted by hand. Had election officials looked at them, the intent of these voters would have been abundantly clear.

The ballots were unearthed in an analysis of 113,820 overvotes for the St. Petersburg Times and other media companies.

Why weren't they counted last year?

Most elections supervisors interpreted state law to say that a vote would be invalidated if a voter marked a ballot more than once in a contest. That meant if a voter punched out a chad for a candidate and then wrote in the candidate's name or circled the name on the ballot, for example, it would be labeled an overvote and rejected -- never to be seen again, even in a manual recount. At least 705 voters filled out the oval or punched the chad for Gore, then also wrote in his name as a write-in selection. At least 515 did the same for Bush. None of those votes counted, even though every voter's intent was obvious.

Florida's new election law mandates new voting equipment that should dramatically reduce overvotes. The law also ensures that votes like the 3,500 tossed out last year would be reviewed in a manual recount.

For Gore, the changes came too late.

Gore could have picked up 2,182 votes last November on overvotes where voter intent is clear, and Bush would have gained 1,309 votes, the media companies' analysis shows. That difference would have enabled Gore to defeat Bush in any statewide recount that included overvotes, regardless of what statewide standard for counting undervotes was used.

If the recount would have continued on Dec. 9, Gore would not have picked up enough overvotes to overtake Bush. That's because only nine counties were planning to count overvotes, and differing standards were being used to count undervotes.

But the first hand count of all ballots that were set aside as overvotes in the 2000 presidential election reveals:

n Gore's effort was badly damaged by another type of overvote, those in which voters chose two separate candidates. This often happened in counties where the names of presidential candidates were spread over two columns on a ballot or across two pages.

There were about 65,000 ballots with these types of two-candidate overvotes. The review found 40,371 ballots marked for Gore and for a second candidate. Another 15,803 had Bush and a second candidate's name.

n The two most common types of overvotes were for Gore and Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan, and for Gore and Libertarian Party candidate Harry Browne. Those 20,610 overvotes represent more than 18 percent of the total number of uncountable overvotes, and many presumably were intended for Gore.

n Bush also apparently lost votes to overvotes where no voter intent could be determined. Some 4,994 ballots, for example, were marked for both Bush and Buchanan. Many presumably were meant for Bush.

n Eight of every 10 overvotes where no voter intent could be determined are traced to the now-outlawed punch card voting machines.

n Optical scan machines that counted votes in a central location caused big problems because, unlike more advanced optical scan systems, they didn't catch mistakes at the polling place.

Of those overvotes where the voter's intent could be determined, Bush and Gore would have received their largest number of additional votes from ballots cast on optical scan machines with a central counting system. Their fewest number of additional votes would have come from punch card ballots, which are the ones that became the focal point of the election controversy.

This overvote phenomenon was not well understood throughout the state in the chaotic weeks following the 2000 election. But the problem was immediately apparent in Palm Beach County.

That county's infamous "butterfly" ballot featured Gore's name on a left-hand page and Buchanan's name on a facing right-hand page. The punch card holes for each candidate ran down the middle.

Even on Election Day, Democrats were hearing from voters who left the polls and then were uncertain whether they had voted for Gore as they had wanted, or punched the hole for Buchanan by mistake.

Overall, 5,352 Palm Beach County voters punched holes for both Gore and Pat Buchanan. Another 2,864 voters punched holes for both Gore and Socialist David McReynolds, whose name also was across from Gore's.

While Gore suffered the most damage from those overvotes in Palm Beach, Bush did not escape unharmed: 1,676 Palm Beach County voters punched holes for both Bush and Buchanan.

Imperfect machines, the design of the ballots and pure voter error all contributed to the problems with overvotes across the state. Some voters may have been confused by the ballot design, and some first-time voters appear not to have known that making more than one choice in a race would void their ballots.

But the voter's intent was clear in about 3 of every 100 overvoted ballots.

Among those ballots, Gore could have gained 515 votes in Lake County, 264 votes in Escambia County and 250 votes in Duval County.

Bush could have gained 343 votes in Lake County, 166 votes in Charlotte County and 143 votes in Manatee County.

Most overvotes were cases such as the Palm Beach County voters who chose Gore and Buchanan on the "butterfly" ballot, or Duval County voters who chose Gore and a minor-party candidate whose name appeared on the second page of the ballot. Those votes were routinely rejected.

But overvotes came in many forms, and county elections supervisors now know they can determine the intent of the voter in some cases.

Florida has a new, broader definition of a "clear indication of a voter's choice," to be applied the next time a manual recount takes place.

Canvassers, for example, would have to count all those presidential ballots where voters chose a candidate then wrote the same candidate's name as a write-in.

But the debate continues over whether those write-in overvotes should have been counted in the totals. At an election-law public workshop in Tampa last week, Democrats and Republicans clashed over that question, just as they did in the dizzying days that followed the closest presidential vote in Florida history.

"Something doesn't compute," said Sharon Becker of Lake Wales, chairwoman of the Polk County Democratic Party. "People were obviously confused, because it didn't say, "Write in the name of your candidate unless you have voted for someone else.' It said, "Write in your candidate's name' and a lot of people did that. They followed the directions to the letter. They filled in the oval for whoever and then wrote that same person's name on the line."

Said Pasco County Elections Supervisor Kurt Browning: "When I found this out, I was, like, give me a break. . . . Those should be counted. What was the voter's intent?"

The ballot instructions above or next to the list of presidential and vice presidential candidates also said "Vote for Group" or "Vote for One Group."

Dee Williams, a Republican activist from Tampa's Sun City Center, said Florida is going too far to divine a voter's thoughts. She referred to a new rule that anticipates 22 separate what-ifs, and in each case the vote would be counted.

"If the instructions are clear, there shouldn't have to be all these if's, trying to figure out what the voter intended," Williams said. "I just feel that any attempt to alter the ballot should spoil that ballot, and if they don't ask for another one, then they don't have a vote. I don't care who it is."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: floridarecount

1 posted on 11/11/2001 6:26:57 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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2 posted on 11/11/2001 6:29:05 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
ok al, stop counting, go fix your tenants toilet and till your tobacco crop!
3 posted on 11/11/2001 6:32:10 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: Bubba_Leroy
My wife says, "If wishes were horses, then beggers would ride. I guess this applies in this case. If our elections are going to be close lets get accurate machines and find ways to give a "fill in your term here" voter another chance.

None the less this analysis does not take into account the military absentee votes or the early call of Florida's panhandle voters. (And why does Florida have two time zones anyway?)

4 posted on 11/11/2001 6:34:36 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Bubba_Leroy
"While Gore suffered the most damage from those overvotes in Palm Beach, Bush did not escape unharmed: 1,676 Palm Beach County voters punched holes for both Bush and Buchanan." (St. Petersburg Times)

In other words, the only sense in which Algore "won" would be by counting as "votes" for one presidential candidate ballots by people too senile to know that you couldn't vote for two or more competing candidates.

Algore is through. His looney-left backers will blame him forever for blowing what seemed like certain victory - to the point that he ended up desperate to count as "votes" ballots on which people voted for other presidential candidates as well as him. And if he - or people connected with him - try disputing Bush's "legitimacy" now, the whole Archie Bunker set will desert him in any 2004 campaign!

Algore in his own words, 1992-2000 - including Earth In The Balance

5 posted on 11/11/2001 6:36:21 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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6 posted on 11/11/2001 6:37:43 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: KC_for_Freedom
(And why does Florida have two time zones anyway?)

The western part of the panhandle is in the Central Time Zone. The line follows the Chattahoochi (sp?) river, which also separates Georgia from Alabama to the north. It's just the way it worked out, I suppose.

7 posted on 11/11/2001 6:42:05 PM PST by peteram
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Thanks for the image, Bubba. I always wanted a copy of that!
8 posted on 11/11/2001 6:43:08 PM PST by peteram
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To: Bubba_Leroy
40,00+ ballots punched for Gore AND someone else, just as I thought, voter fraud in it's most classic design.
Those who have researched fraud will recognize this immediately, and we have been vindicated!
9 posted on 11/11/2001 6:47:57 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Gore could have picked up 2,182 votes last November on overvotes where voter intent is clear, and Bush would have gained 1,309 votes, the media companies' analysis shows. That difference would have enabled Gore to defeat Bush in any statewide recount that included overvotes, regardless of what statewide standard for counting undervotes was used.

Translation: If only they had been permitted to break the law ....

Damn' that U.S. Supreme Court! (/sarcasm)

10 posted on 11/11/2001 6:55:41 PM PST by usconservative
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To: usconservative
"on overvotes where voter intent is clear"

Clear to whom? That is why there are objective legal standards for counting votes - so a bunch of democRAT county hacks don't get to read ballots like tea leaves trying to discern what the voter really intended to do.

11 posted on 11/11/2001 7:00:11 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy
And what about the voters in the panhandle of Florida who didn't vote because the media called the election before they had a chance to vote? The military ballots thrown out? The immense amount of "Democratic" voter fraud in other parts of the country?
12 posted on 11/11/2001 7:03:52 PM PST by garyhope
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To: Bubba_Leroy
If the recount would have continued on Dec. 9, Gore would not have picked up enough overvotes to overtake Bush. That's because only nine counties were planning to count overvotes, and differing standards were being used to count undervotes.

If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped.

Quote of the Day by Twins613

13 posted on 11/11/2001 7:12:10 PM PST by RJayneJ
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To: peteram
It's just the way it worked out, I suppose.

Yeah, I knew that. It was just my way of being funny. I realize any state with enough East West dimension can get into this mess, but once you realize that the elections get messed up and the media can't be trusted to behave properly, if I were Florida I would leave the polls open in Miami until I was ready to close them statewide. That way the media would have to stand at bay until the polls were closed in the panhandle. But what do I know?

14 posted on 11/11/2001 7:46:28 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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