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We Are Going to Conquer America
Jewish World Review ^ | Nov. 12, 2001 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 11/12/2001 4:11:46 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 11/12/2001 4:11:46 AM PST by SJackson
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To: BenF
hey
2 posted on 11/12/2001 5:16:50 AM PST by jonatron
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To: SJackson
And my Muslim friend told that Jihad really meant inner struggle! Not war!
3 posted on 11/12/2001 5:21:03 AM PST by dennisw
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To: SJackson
Anne Coulter wants us to conquer and convert them as well. I guess it's a race to see who conqures who first
4 posted on 11/12/2001 5:23:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: SJackson
It means that the existing order - religious freedom, secularism, women's rights - can no longer be taken for granted. It now needs to be fought for.

This is serious business.

Let's roll!!

5 posted on 11/12/2001 5:25:57 AM PST by Norb2569
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To: dennisw; BenF
Hey, guess where this mosque and Islamic village is located.......

Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan?

Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Qatar?

Nope. This place is located about 22 miles north of Los Alamos, New Mexico, a couple of hundred miles from my house.

See here for more........

IS THERE A JIHAD FORTRESS NEAR YOU?

6 posted on 11/12/2001 5:28:26 AM PST by Fred25
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To: Sabertooth
Ping!
7 posted on 11/12/2001 5:29:24 AM PST by TopDog2
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To: Fred25
How many Los Alamos foreign Muslim scientists are attending that Mosque? Hmmm.......
8 posted on 11/12/2001 5:50:52 AM PST by dennisw
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Siraj Wahaj, the first imam to deliver a Muslim prayer for the U.S. House of Representatives, holds that if Muslims unite, they could elect their own leader as president; "take my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us."

I don't like the sound of that.

9 posted on 11/12/2001 9:56:54 AM PST by texasbluebell
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In the area where I live, I never see any foreign or local Arabs, but there are a lot in Gallup and Albuquerque, and I think there are some in the Santa Fe area. I don’t know about Los Alamos, but the lab tended toward “multi-culturalism” during the Clinton years. The big Chinese spy, Win Ho Lee, still lives in the Santa Fe area and has a Chinese “support group” backing him up. He spent only about a year in jail.
10 posted on 11/12/2001 12:03:59 PM PST by Fred25
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To: SJackson; jonatron; BenF; dennisw; Non-Sequitur; Norb2569; Fred25; TopDog2; Sabertooth...
"it is the duty of all Muslims to complete the march of jihad [holy war] until we reach America and liberate her."

This theme of "liberation" is not new to Islam. Muslims consider conquests of non-Muslim lands as liberating them.

Read how the "prophet" wanted Rome and Constantinople "liberated".

The Liberation of Constantinople

[This article was published in the 14th issue of Nida'ul Islam magazine (http://www.islam.org.au), July-September 1996]

Narrated `Abdullah Bin Bashar Al Khath`amy according to his father that he heard the prophet (peace and blessings upon him) saying: "You will liberate Constantinople, blessed is the Amir who is its Amir, and blessed is the army, that army." (narrated by Imam Ahmad)

Attempts to Liberate the City

A few words which issued from the Imam of the Muslim nation with respect to the promise from the Allah, All Glory to Him, at the tongue of His messenger (s.a.w.) which made the Muslim lieutenants in different times to compete with pounding hearts to liberate this city so that they can achieve the honour of the above description which Allah has blessed them with at the tongue of His messenger.

The first to besiege Constantinople was Mu'awiya son of Abi Sufyan during the Khilafa of 'Ali bin Abi Taleb (May Allah be pleased with him) in the year 34 (ah), he was followed by his son Yazid in 47 (ah) then Sufyan Bin Aws in 52 (ah) who was in turn followed by Salma during the Khilafa of 'Umar Ibn 'Abdul 'Aziz in the year 97 (ah). It was also besieged during the Khilafa of Hisham Ibn 'Abdul Malik in 121 (ah) and the last siege was during the Khilafa of Haroun Al Rashid may Allah have mercy on him in 182 (ah). The sieges stopped when the Islamic government began to weaken and split and became preoccupied with its enemies internally and externally until the arrival of the 'Uthmany sultans who took turns in besieging it one after the other with no result, until the blessed general came who deserved the description of the messenger (s.a.w.), this happened approximately eight centuries after the first siege. This was on the 16th of Rabee' Al Awwal in 857 (ah) when the 'Uthmany sultan Muhammad Al Fateh May Allah have mercy with him moved against the city walls with his army of 150,000 Mujahideen who were very keen to achieve the great honour of accomplishing the blessed promise.

However, they did not rely solely on the promise, they also underwent a complete preparation to achieve the victory. The historian Ismail Hami Danshbund, a contemporary of the sultan Muhammad Alfateh narrates: "The sultan would spend long hours every night since ascending the throne, studying the plans of the city, looking for strategic points of defence and attempting to find weak points which he could benefit from and to work on the appropriate plan to attack these points. In addition to this, the Sultan had committed to memory all the previous attempts to liberate the city, the names of their leaders, and the reasons for their failure... He would continue to discuss with his lieutenants and generals what is required for the final attack. He also ordered the engineers to build what is required to facilitate the liberation. They built large cannons which would traject numerous heavy metal balls and bombs weighing as much as three tonnes. In addition to the other heavy artillery which the sultan built himself which were used for the first time in the attack on Constantinople; which had a great effect in the liberation of the city. That was from the material end, however, on the morale end, he took with him many contemporary scholars and Imams who held authority such as Sheikh Alqourany, and Sheikh Khisrawi, who would motivate the soldiers and drive them towards Jihad... As for his enemies, as soon as he reached the walls of the Constantinople, he ordered the call of Azan for Jum`a and commenced prayer. When the Byzantines saw the hundred and fifty thousand Muslims praying behind their leader and the sound of their takbir breaking the horizon, they began to tremble in fear and worry, and their minds were defeated before their bodies.

THE BATTLE

After the sultan divided and placed his army, he sent his messenger to the king of Bizantia asking him to hand over the city giving him a full guarantee of safety for its residents, their wealth, their lives, their beliefs, and their honour. The refusal of the king to do this and his declaration of war against the Muslims led to the bombardment of the city for 48 days leading to the demolishing of some of the outer walls, without reaching the inner walls. The city withstood other operations. When king Constantine realised the seriousness of the situation, he wrote to the pope who assisted him with five large ships filled with weapons, provisions, and soldiers.. leading to the increase in morale of the defenders. Their joy did not last for long however, for the next morning, they were surprised with eighty ships inside their gulf which they had blocked with heavy chains and fortified with a large force. However, the sultan through his foresight brought the ships over land by paving a path for them of six miles of large tree branches which he had embalmed with oil so that the giant ships can slide over them with their tens of thousands of soldiers.. until they were brought to the gulf waters behind the enemy defences. At the time that the ships reached the gulf, the ships of the Bizantines were flaming with the fire from the artillery of the Ottomans, despite this, Constantinople withheld one more time.

However, the sultan persisted, and he ordered the digging of tunnels underground to use these to crawl into the city, though the early discovery of these by the Bizantines made them of no effect.

The Military Prowess

With the new morn, the sultan ordered the setting up of his secret weapon which he had invented himself, which is a giant mobile tower, higher than the walls of the city accommodating hundreds of soldiers. This struck fear amongst the Bizantines leading them to believe that the Muslims were using demons in their battles. After the Muslims broke the middle walls, the defenders were able to destroy the moving towers by throwing chemicals at them. However, the resistance of the city began to weaken, while nightfall had left the Bizantines filled with fear leading them to spend their night in their churches praying their Lord to send to their aid the blue angels to save Constantinople from the Muslims. Whilst the sultan spent his night motivating his armies reminding them of the hadith of the messenger (s.a.w.), and praying for victory from Allah.

Entering The City As soon as the new morn came, the soldiers began their general attack. The Muslims began to erect towers and ladders and to cast projectiles at the inner walls of the city. However, the forts of the city and the desperate defense of its army delayed its liberation, and thousands of Muslim soldiers fell martyrs. When the sultan saw the size of his loss, he ordered the foot soldiers to withdraw. whilst he also ordered a continuation of the bombardment until midday, when he ordered a complete attack and stirred them to this. The Muslim army attacked and some of the Mujahideen were able to enter the city, the first to enter it was the Mujahid Hasan Ulu Badi with thirty of his brothers, however, the arrows rained on them from every side, and they were all martyred, the Muslims then began to retreat, and they almost began to flee.

The Importance of The Leader in The Battle

At this came the essential role of the leader in the battle as the sultan stood and spoke to his soldiers taking example from the messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) during the battle of Uhud giving an example of bravery in a few words, saying: "my sons, here I am ready for death in the path of Allah, so whoever desires martyrdom, let him follow me. Then the Muslims followed their leader like the flood from the dam tearing down the obstacles of Kufr until they entered the city and raised therein the word of monotheism... In this manner fell the city of Heracle which stood stubbornly in front of the Muslims for eight centuries... So they entered it erasing the Bizantine government opening the doors of Europe for the call of Islam. They recorded a white page in our history, realising the promise of the messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) as when he was asked which of the two cities would be liberated first, Constantinople or Rome, he said: "The city of Heracle (i.e. Constantinople) would be liberated first." [Ahmad, authenticated by Al Albany].

By Br. Muhammad El-Halaby

11 posted on 11/12/2001 12:15:05 PM PST by Pericles
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To: SJackson
To the poster of this thread, this response is not aimed at you. thank you for making us aware of their threat. Now this is what I say to the people making these threats: In A Pig's Eye!!!! You're Epitaph's Will Read: You Tried To Conquer America and FAILED!!!! You Would Be Conquerors will BE EXTERMINATED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!! This is not a Threat To You, It Will become FACTS!!!! We Have Had Enough Of YOU TERRORISTS PERIOD! You're Time Is SHORT!!!!
12 posted on 11/12/2001 12:25:30 PM PST by Defender2
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bump
13 posted on 11/12/2001 1:30:47 PM PST by VinnyTex
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To: SJackson
bttt
14 posted on 11/12/2001 1:31:43 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Pericles
I would add that these Muslim fruit loops go crazy whenever some Muslim land is taken back by Jews...... by Spain .......by anyone. Last week Osama Bin Laden was whining about something that happened 500 years ago. The expulsion of Islam from Spain. What an idiot!

The funny part is Jews were expelled too. But we Jews just consider it part of history though the inquisitions were terrible.

15 posted on 11/12/2001 2:32:12 PM PST by dennisw
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To: SJackson
Interesting. But I couldn't help noticing, while reading the last line, that Muslims aren't the only ones against these things.

...religious freedom, secularism, women's rights...

16 posted on 11/12/2001 2:39:19 PM PST by mlo
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To: Fred25
Too many of them for my comfort if this is really the goal. I don't trust any of them. I wish we could deport them all to the middle east. Ever notice how many of them come here for the education.. medical is the one I am thinking of... saying they want to learn all they can so they can go home and help their people.... and then they don't go?!
18 posted on 11/12/2001 2:49:53 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: Cavalry
Thanks, but I prefer less brain-washing in my diet you F-ing Anti-Islamic scum.

Would you care to expand on your opinion of me? Is it pure prejudice, or do you have some reason, any reason.

19 posted on 11/12/2001 2:58:21 PM PST by SJackson
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No, they stay, knowing the hell-hole they came from is ruined & will never get any better & maybe, just maybe . . .

well you can guess the rest

It's a big problem that needs to be admitted to first before we can even begin to do anything about it{if anything, ideas anyone?}.

I guess it comes down to whose invisible friend in the sky loves them best.

"Who loves you, baby!"

20 posted on 11/12/2001 3:01:15 PM PST by norraad
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To: Defender2
This deserves repeating;

Now this is what I say to the people making these threats: In A Pig's Eye!!!! You're Epitaph's Will Read: You Tried To Conquer America and FAILED!!!! You Would Be Conquerors will BE EXTERMINATED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!! This is not a Threat To You, It Will become FACTS!!!! We Have Had Enough Of YOU TERRORISTS PERIOD! You're Time Is SHORT!!!!

Let's face it, Muslims who aspire to world domination are not doing very well in the modern world.
They oppress and weaken their own people, and most often are fighting each other and their own governments..and the power of western influence in their own countries.
Look at the way the rallying cry for a Muslim vs west conflict by Osama was rejected by every single govt of even so-called Muslim nations.
Iran is an example of how the desire for freedom, liberty and opportunity has young people rebelling against the oppressive restrictions of Islamic rule.
They simply cannot compete against the west.
I don't beleive for one minute that they ever had a chance at "Conquering America", and after the events of Sept 11, and Osama's insane rantings...the reputation, influence and unity of Muslims has been severly damaged all the more.

21 posted on 11/12/2001 3:19:54 PM PST by Jorge
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To: SJackson
The day a Radical Muslim or organization found and run by a radical Muslim rules a defeated west is the day hell freezes over.... it is impossible... the the anthrax they can make, all the smallpox, all the hijackings... cannot defeat the west... and deep down they know it.

Not only because we dominate them in every aspect, militarily, socially, financially and yes, EVEN CULTURALLY! (I know that offends some, but its the truth, and it is that cultural dominance and the reasons for it that are why they cannot win.) but because they do not even offer an alternative, like the verse of a contemporary country western song "then what?" If by some miracle of incomprehensible size should happen and america were to be defeated... Then What Bin Laden? Then what? You see you do not offer visions of the future, or of improvement, but visioins of destruction and terror. You don't have a goal or dream or desire to drive yourselfs to the future, just desperate hatred and cowardice and desires to destroy... you have no great pheonix to rise from the ashes of the carnage, the carnage is your only destination, and that alone will never be enough to cause it to come to pass.

The US Culture has its down side, just like all things, but the fundamentals of the american culture is opportunity and growth and freedom. Every american is free to better themselves, regardless of gender, or race or religion... The only limit upon them is the limit they themselves accept or place. Our women do not walk 3 paces behind the men, we don't genitally mutiliate girls at birth, we force our mothers and daughters into hiding and not allow them to participate.... we don't (despite what some leaders may believe) limit the growth or dreams of anyone... From our melting pot great men and women of all creeds, religions and colors have rose to help make our land and our world a better place... in your world, this will never happen because division and hatred is all you have.

22 posted on 11/12/2001 3:21:30 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
Every american is free to better themselves, regardless of gender, or race or religion... The only limit upon them is the limit they themselves accept or place.

You're right. I think Pipes is warning us of our corresponding responsibility to be vigilant in defence of our freedom. He references an"...Islamic missionary from abroad unblushingly declared in the 1920s, "Our plan is, we are going to conquer America." This can be done from within, as well as through external attacks. You're right, this is not a short term threat, but we must be aware of it. I'd feel much better if those loyal Americans of the Islamic faith, and they are many, would speak out more.

23 posted on 11/12/2001 3:53:05 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Defender2
Now this is what I say to the people making these threats: In A Pig's Eye!!!! You're Epitaph's Will Read: You Tried To Conquer America and FAILED!!!! You Would Be Conquerors will BE EXTERMINATED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!! This is not a Threat To You, It Will become FACTS!!!! We Have Had Enough Of YOU TERRORISTS PERIOD! You're Time Is SHORT!!!!

Yeah... what he said!!

25 posted on 11/12/2001 4:03:34 PM PST by Norb2569
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To: SJackson
I'll say it again. Bring back the enforcement of the Alien and Sedition Acts. (Still constitutional.) EVERYONE of Middle Eastern descent, first and second generation Arabs residing in this country, submit themselves for FBI screening or face immediate deportation. You can throw any label at me you want but I have two small children and I am not interested in Arab-American "rights." I am interested in the protection of my children PERIOD!
26 posted on 11/12/2001 4:44:50 PM PST by jackd
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Bring back the enforcement of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Several of those in custody are being held under the Sedition Act. It's back

27 posted on 11/12/2001 4:50:47 PM PST by SJackson
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
Pipes: However bizarre this goal, the killing of five thousand Americans requires that it be noted and seriously considered.

LLAN-DDEUSANT: I don't know whether to laugh or to actually worry that some Americans actually feel the slightest bit of threat about this.

Don't laugh. 5000 fewer Americans have the opportunity to feel threatened, or not, than a few months ago.

28 posted on 11/12/2001 4:58:55 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Italics off
29 posted on 11/12/2001 4:59:54 PM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw
The Muslim warriors are more like a sneaky dog. You know the one that always pisses on the carpet but you can never catch. Then one day you catch him in the act and beat his tail between his legs out the door.
30 posted on 11/12/2001 5:01:55 PM PST by kingh99
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To: mlo
"Interesting. But I couldn't help noticing, while reading the last line, that Muslims aren't the only ones against these things. ...religious freedom, secularism, women's rights..."

So who else is? It's interesting to me that you cannot accept the reality that it is the Judaeo Christian West that has brought the beauty liberating human thought to the world...not Mohamedanism or Communism!

31 posted on 11/12/2001 5:07:03 PM PST by eleni121
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To: kingh99
Sure hope so. The brutal Talibs are performing to this standard as I type.
32 posted on 11/12/2001 5:08:19 PM PST by dennisw
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
How goes it LLAN-DDEUSANT?

You're Osama Bin Laden's favorite poster at FreeRepublic. He likes everything you have to say here.

33 posted on 11/12/2001 5:10:42 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Pericles
Thanks for the referenced article about how Mohamedans view the Fall of Constantinople and the last minute attempt by the West to help...too late of course. Let us hope that the ongoing struggle (and it will continue) will not mimic history. Putin's alliance bears hope but it appears that the west is again fragmenting its strength.
34 posted on 11/12/2001 5:12:05 PM PST by eleni121
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So who else is? It's interesting to me that you cannot accept the reality that it is the Judaeo Christian West that has brought the beauty liberating human thought to the world...not Mohamedanism or Communism!

Excuse me?! Where do you get a conclusion about what I do or don't accept? You better read what I said again, it said nothing that would even imply such a thing. Try thinking.

35 posted on 11/12/2001 5:12:33 PM PST by mlo
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To: SJackson
""MUSLIMS make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country," said President Bush shortly after September 11,"

OK, they contribute, but the second one of the SOB's decides he wants to kill me, he opens the islam hunting season.

36 posted on 11/12/2001 5:13:14 PM PST by lawdude
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To: Non-Sequitur
"I guess it's a race to see who conqures who first"

With Bush so eager to embrace the Muslims, one has to wonder how he stands on this thing.

37 posted on 11/12/2001 5:16:22 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: dennisw
and my muslim friend told [me] that jihad really meant inner struggle! not war!

a war is merely an extroverted inner struggle!
38 posted on 11/12/2001 5:16:57 PM PST by mlocher
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To: mlo
OK then. Answer your own question - "who else is?!"
39 posted on 11/12/2001 5:16:59 PM PST by eleni121
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To: SJackson
And will this takeover be peaceful or violent?
40 posted on 11/12/2001 5:20:27 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: SJackson
>>>>>>We Are Going to Conquer America<<<<<<<<

go ahead and try...but I will not give up. You will have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands!

41 posted on 11/12/2001 5:21:38 PM PST by irish guard
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To: Norb2569
You Go Guy!!! " LET'S ROLL "
42 posted on 11/12/2001 5:30:20 PM PST by Bombard
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To: Don Myers
And will this takeover be peaceful or violent?

I don't think there will be one. I don't think Pipes does either. I think the message is that there are those who would like to effect one, peacefully or violently, and that we need to be vigilent.

43 posted on 11/12/2001 6:03:40 PM PST by SJackson
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To: irish guard
I'm right there next to you, irish....
44 posted on 11/12/2001 7:37:34 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
You can't equate accidental deaths around the country with the intentional planning of murdering 6,000 Americans within the WTC. Your fulcrum is out of tolerance.
47 posted on 11/12/2001 8:01:45 PM PST by Buckeroo
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Don't laugh. 5000 fewer Americans have the opportunity to feel threatened, or not, than a few months ago.

LLAN-DDEUSANT: 25,000 Americans die in traffic accidents a year, 25,000 in gun deaths. 5,000 more is hardly a statistical blip.

Buckeroo: You can't equate accidental deaths around the country with the intentional planning of murdering 6,000 Americans within the WTC.

LLAN-DDEUSANT:Auto deaths may be accidental, but most gun deaths certainly are not. Your value system is distorted. This was a grim and brutal crime, but just a crime that happened when we failed to take some basic and relatively inexpensive steps to avoid it.

Buckeroo, now lighten up. LD has explained to us 9/11 was just a big car accident, an easily preventable one at that. I knew it was our fault. You and I may consider it murder, but that's just our distorted American value system at work.

49 posted on 11/12/2001 8:26:04 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
These people are no different than the Communists. Each must dominate in order to rule their kind of rule. Any dissent is immediately and brutally crushed, even suspected dissenters are murdered, usually after being horribly tortured as a lesson to others. Nothing but devout and constant adoration is acceptable.

When you look at the likes of Hillary Clinton, Tom daschle, Dick Gephardt, et al., you are seeing the same faces of evil. They seek to gain power by stealth and once that power is gained what do you think they will do? Look what they do when not in power. Look what they do to try to achieve power. Why would you expect them to change once they gained power?

This is a battle between good and evil, just as Bush said, and we MUST win it or perish. If the liberal Democrats gain control we are no better off than if the Muslims or Communist gain control. They are all they same masquerading under differnt banners.

50 posted on 11/12/2001 8:52:49 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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