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Catholic Campaign for Human Development?

Posted on 11/12/2001 6:56:17 AM PST by Aunt Polgara

Please forgive this vanity. My parish is again asking for donations to the Campaign for Human Development.

Does anyone know if they ever cleaned up their act, or are they still helping to support pro-abortion groups?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: catholiccampaign; catholiclist; cchd; marxism; socialism

1 posted on 11/12/2001 6:56:17 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara; proud2bRC; Askel5; sinkspur; patent; victim soul; Aquinasfan
Anyone have any current info about the Campaign for Human Development? I would like to put a note in the envelope to tell my pastor why I will not donate to the CHD if they still help fund pro-abortion groups, but I need some current info.

Also, it seems like it would be a good idea to flag this to the Catholic list whichever way it comes out. The CHD has had so much bad publicity, I wonder why our parishes are still asking us to donate to it. Perhaps they have cleaned up their act, she said hopefully...(sigh)

2 posted on 11/12/2001 7:03:23 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
Say, Auntie, kinda got your groups mixed up there, huh. Please reiterate exactly what pro-abortion groups you think the Catholic Church is funneling money to.

Can't wait for her reply. Probably thought she'd get one fish (Mackerel Snapper?) to bite on this troll-bait.

3 posted on 11/12/2001 7:05:16 AM PST by woofer
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To: Aunt Polgara
Although I am not Catholic, I spent three years working at the UN in a coalition with Catholics who took their religion seriously. Most of the nominally Catholic humanitarian groups there took positions diametrically opposed to the position of the Holy See on questions of abortion and homosexual rights. In fact, these people were often contemptuous of pro-life, pro-family groups. I often wondered whether good Catholics were supporting these groups not knowing what they positions they were taking.

I'm not sure whether the Catholic Campaign for Human Development is one of those groups, but Austin Ruse at the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute might know. You can e-mail him at austinruse@c-fam.org

4 posted on 11/12/2001 7:12:07 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: woofer
Say, Auntie, kinda got your groups mixed up there, huh. Please reiterate exactly what pro-abortion groups you think the Catholic Church is funneling money to.

I'm sure you mean well, but this is not the action of a troller looking to start a fight. There really is some serious question of where the funds from this collection go. A Catholic who does not realize the extent of infiltration into our own bureaucracies is a Catholic living in ignorance.

SD

5 posted on 11/12/2001 7:19:30 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Aunt Polgara
The CCHD is basically a slush fund for those members of the Catholic hierarchy in America who prefer dabbling in leftist politics, over the cure of souls. I seem to recall that they have been snookered once or twice into supporting groups sympathetic to abortion. The dollars were minimal, compared to the overall and continuing mischief wrought by the CCHD. Please contribute to the defunding of this sorry bunch. Double up on your regular contribution next Sunday, and starve the CCHD.
6 posted on 11/12/2001 7:24:31 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Aunt Polgara
Here is a link to an earlier thread about the Campaign for Human Development.
7 posted on 11/12/2001 7:26:16 AM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: Aunt Polgara
Can't add anything to what Romulus said.
8 posted on 11/12/2001 7:31:04 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: woofer
Hi Woofer, (ignoring your insults) I guess you are not familiar with the controversy surrounding the Campaign for Human Development. You can read more about it here

Basically, the CHD funnels money to local groups who are supposed to help disadvantaged people help themselves.

The problem is that many of these local groups are far left-wing extremists who, for instance, support NOW, the ACLU, etc. It is my understanding that the CHD money is to be used only for specified purposes, but that will free up the local groups' money to be used for activities that are antithetical to Catholic teachings.

For example, the article cited above talks about a group called ACORN, which my archdiocese (Los Angeles) has given money to. According to the article, ACORN helped fund the "March to Fight the Right" a couple of years ago. If you remember that march, a big part of it was pro-abortion advocacy.

My question is an honest one. I support my church, but I will not support programs in my church that can funnel money to groups that support anti-Catholic activities.

9 posted on 11/12/2001 7:33:06 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: woofer
Better listen to Auntie. Just wait a little bit and there will be some Freepers show up with evidence. I am a lifetime Catholic who believes totally in the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church. I am not a dissenter except when it come to Campaign for Human Development. I should have been abolished years ago.
10 posted on 11/12/2001 7:35:04 AM PST by Renatus
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To: Aunt Polgara; woofer
Oops, Sorry, I did my html link badly. HERE is where you can read an article about the Campaign for Human Development and its funding of anti-Catholic groups.

FWIW, I think it's important for the Catholics here on FR to be sure that the money we donate to Catholic sponsored charities actually goes to genuine Catholic charities.

I'm sorry if you were suspicious and didn't take the time to check out my Catholic pro-life bona-fides. It's actually easy to check out someone, with the "find in forum" feature of FR. Although I don't post often, it should have been clear to you that I am pro-life if you had taken the time to check me out.

Most of us appreciate it if you try to deal respectfully with other posters until and unless they prove themselves to be no more than hit n run liberal disrupters. I know I certainly appreciate it when the tone on threads remains civil.

11 posted on 11/12/2001 8:57:38 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
They MIGHT not be giving money to pro-abortion groups, but they ARE still a left-wing outfit that gives money to groups that give money to pro-abortion groups, and which do political campaigning for pro-abortion politicians, etc.

My position is that once a "Catholic" agency gets involved in pro-abortion activity, it deserves to be destroyed. There should be no forgiveness for agencies, only individuals.

The Campaign for Human Development has always been political. It has never been about aiding the poor, except insofar as the socialists running it convinced themselves that Sovietizing America would "help the poor."

12 posted on 11/12/2001 9:02:15 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: woofer
Where have you been vacationing, Neptune? Auntie is exactly right. The bishops' bureacracy in Washington is full of pro-aborts, and the Campaign for Human Development has given considerable support to get pro-abort politicians elected.
13 posted on 11/12/2001 9:04:26 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Renatus
I should have been abolished years ago.

There, there. Have you looked into a self-esteem program?

14 posted on 11/12/2001 9:07:09 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Aunt Polgara
I agree-and recommend that Catholics )and non-Catholics) contribute to Catholic Charities (in Maryland, see catholiccharities-md.org). This organization helps people of all faiths and the money goes directly to those who need help (it is not a clearinghouse charitie like United Way). I've been active in this organization for many years and they do not support or otherwise contribute to abortion in any way, shape or form.
15 posted on 11/12/2001 9:07:35 AM PST by apollo11
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To: father_elijah; Antoninus; aposiopetic; Salvation; ELS; nina0113; Steve0113; el_chupacabra...
Flagging my bump list though I know not all of you are Catholic, just thought those who are will want to read a bit before contributing.

Take a look at the thread linked in post 7, for example. Personally, I agree with Romulus, except that I wouldn't double my weekly donation to the parish priest who asked me to donate to the CHD. I would attach something like the article linked in #7 (not the FR thread, but the original article) and tell them both my donation for the CHD and the weekly plate were going to priests for life (or an equivalent).

patent

16 posted on 11/12/2001 9:11:17 AM PST by patent
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To: Aunt Polgara; patent
Organize Ohio suffers major setback as CCHD rescinds grant

Organize Ohio suffers major setback as CCHD rescinds grant

colist@comm-org.utoledo.edu colist@comm-org.utoledo.edu
Wed Aug 15 12:50:29 2001


[ed:  This message gives us the opportunity to discuss who 
controls funding for community organizing and how to change 
that.]

 From:          GLDP <gldp@mail.bright.net>

>>For immediate release
Contact:  Kate Pilacky at 1-877-ORG-OHIO

Organize!Ohio Suffers Major Setback as Catholic Campaign Rescinds Grant

Conservative causes were handed a victory as Rev. Robert J.Vitillo,
Executive Director of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development moved to
rescind a grant in the amount of $30,000 from the Catholic Campaignfor Human
Development (CCHD) to Organize!Ohio, a statewide network of community
organizations.

Citing pressure initiated on the archconservative
http://www.freerepublic.com website, the Campaign for Human Development
reacted to allegations that Organize!Ohio was involved in the activities of
the National Abortion Rights Action League(NARAL). The CCHD inquisition was
based on speculation that Organize!Ohio or a project of Organize!Ohio was
involved in activities which are contrary to the moral teachings of the
Catholic Church". 

In a July 31, 2001 letter to Organize!Ohio, Fr. Vitillo concedes
Organize!Ohio is not directly involved in facilitating or promoting
abortion. The letter further states, Organize!Ohio does not have a position
on abortion, did not assist NARAL in promoting its own mission, and did not
offer any particular services,training, or technical assistance to NARAL.

 On two occasions (1999 and 2000), Organize!Ohio received membership dues
checks, amounting to donations, totaling $125.00 from NARAL. NARAL is not
currently a memberof Organize!Ohio. 

Organize!Ohio brings together organizers around the state to share
strategies and experiences in helping to empower poor people and their
organizations and has selected the issues of Amnesty for Immigrants; the
Mount Olive Pickle Boycott in support of Farmworker Organizing; Restoration
of Welfare Rights; Affordable Housing; and Universal Access to Health Care
as our campaigns. 

While it is clear that the activities of Organize!Ohio are within the
traditions and teachings of the Catholic Church, the funding agreement was
unilaterally suspended on the premise that "the MoralGuidelines for CCHD
Funding indicate that even when the matter of direct cooperation with
morally objectionable activity does not apply, CCHD must avoid funding any
projects which have the potential to cause scandal". (Fr.Vitilloletter of
July 31,2001.)

 However, the Moral Guidelines referenced by Fr.Vitillo do not set forth the
circumstances under which potential for scandal might arise but rather
incorporates by footnote the Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic
Health Care Services. The Directive, in paragraph 71 states:  "

        "The possibility of scandal must be considered when applying the
principles governing cooperation. Cooperation, which in all other respects
is morally licit, may need to be refused because of the scandal that might
be caused. Scandal can sometimes be avoided by an appropriate explanation of
what is in fact being done."(emphasis added) 

Rather than suspend funding to an organization that advances a social
justice agenda consistent with the principles and values of the Catholic
Campaign for Human Development, an appropriate explanation, provided by
Organize!Ohio could have been accepted by the CCHD rather than giving a
victory to the opponents of organizing and social justice whose views are
represented on the <A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/" website. 

Free Republic describes itself as an online gathering place or independent,
grass-roots conservatism on the web working to roll back decades of
governmental largesse and to champion causes which further conservatism in
America. 
Organize!Ohio will assess its future without CCHD fundingsupport at the
Annual Gathering of Community Organizers scheduled for the weekend of
September 15th in Lancaster, Ohio.

Donations to offset this funding loss may be sent to Organize! Ohio,
1875 North Ridge Rd, Suite A, Lorain, Ohio  44055.   
For details, call 1-877-ORG-OHIO or 
>>email:info@organizeohio.org.
------- End of forwarded message -------


17 posted on 11/12/2001 10:04:19 AM PST by Romulus
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To: patent
All your "archconservatives" are belong to us. Ha ha ha!
18 posted on 11/12/2001 10:06:42 AM PST by Romulus
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To: Aunt Polgara
Aunt Polgara, your post is anything but a vanity post. It is a wonderful example for all of us to question the ultimate destination of our charitable contributions.

Speaking from experience, it is becoming more and more difficult to find a charity that deserves support. We need look no further than the Red Cross or United Way.

The results of your post will be beneficial to all of us.

God Bless

19 posted on 11/12/2001 10:10:48 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: Romulus
That is so insulting. I am not an archconservative. I am a right wing hyper-archconservative and proud member of the VRWHAC Conspiracy.

patent

20 posted on 11/12/2001 10:16:06 AM PST by patent
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To: patent
...I am a right wing hyper-archconservative and proud member of the VRWHAC Conspiracy.

O-oh! You are getting awfully close to becoming a Traditional Catholic!

Benedicamus Domino!

21 posted on 11/12/2001 10:22:08 AM PST by Trebics
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To: Trebics
LOL!
22 posted on 11/12/2001 10:52:32 AM PST by ELS
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To: patent; Aunt Polgara; woofer
Paul Likoudis of The Wanderer did a comprehensive and most excellent series of articles (now reprinted together in a little paperback and available in bulk from The Wanderer) from which I excerpted these:

Faith Based Funding ... Hopeful Experiment or Proven Failure?

before posting these related articles:

Connecting People to Politics: The Role of Religious Institutions in the Texas IAF Network

Organizing for Power and Money ... [Blurring the lines between true Christian Charity and decidedly political social action]

The Language of Power ... Politicians "Get It" Even with Faith-Based Organizations Speak in Tongues

Olasky & "Faith-Based" Partnerships

A comprehensive cache of "faith-based" money links can be found here: You Gotta Have Faith

23 posted on 11/12/2001 10:57:19 AM PST by Askel5
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To: EODGUY
Speaking from experience, it is becoming more and more difficult to find a charity that deserves support. We need look no further than the Red Cross or United Way.

Have there been any threads investigating what aid has already gone to the victims' families? I've yet to find a dollar per family amount from either major organization. Smaller groups appear to be more on the ball. The Knights of Columbus, for instance, state that they have already distributed $3,000 to over 300 families. A "Givers and Keepers" listing would inform everybody an idea of which organizations can scrupulously handle large amounts of money.

24 posted on 11/12/2001 10:58:24 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: Romulus
That is so cool.
25 posted on 11/12/2001 11:01:54 AM PST by Askel5
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To: All
"Organizing for Money ... Blurring the Lines" is also by Likoudis and part of the Wanderer series.
26 posted on 11/12/2001 11:04:55 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Renatus
I should have been abolished years ago.

you're too hard on yourself(lol)

seriously, I am a lifer Catholic too but I find myself questioning everything that the hierarchy collects for....sort of like questioning the Unitied Way...

I find that I am giving more and more directly to groups that have immediate and close contact with the actual poor and down-trodden...I feel that I am the best person to determine who needs my money..

27 posted on 11/12/2001 11:10:06 AM PST by cherry
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To: Dumb_Ox
Sorry, I have not seen any data in black and white. I recall O'Reilly having the CEO of the United Way on his show. (After 5 weeks of asking him to appear, by the way)

The condescending CEO, who IMHO O'Reilly allowed to dodge questions, stated that they want to be sure that the money is being given to the right people and that is the reason for the delay.

Kind of reminiscent of the "more rather than less, sooner rather than later" crap we heard from our most recently impeached president of the United States.

28 posted on 11/12/2001 11:15:21 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: Aunt Polgara
Hi Woofer, (ignoring your insults) I guess you are not familiar with the controversy surrounding the Campaign for Human Development.

Sorry you thought I was insulting, Auntie. Perusing thru the replies I see where y'all are coming from and what you meant in your opening vanity post. Maybe I just shot from the hip and put the Church and Pro-abortion in the wrong concept. But I think I'm getting the message. Appears that monies from the Church to the CHD are distributed, thus freeing other capital to fund programs not necessarily supported by any American Diocese (can't speak for the French).

So, I apologize if my remarks offended you. And thanks to everyone for futhering my education

I'm a big enough man to take the lumps I deserve.

29 posted on 11/12/2001 11:29:48 AM PST by woofer
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To: Diago; Askel5; *Catholic_list
Cleveland Catholic Diocese Again Recommends a $30K Grant for NARAL Group - This Time We Can Stop It!

Why Is Catholic Diocese of Cleveland Funding Leadership Training for NARAL ( Radical Abortion Group)

Kudos to Diago who made it all happen! Well done!

30 posted on 11/12/2001 11:41:53 AM PST by Romulus
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Comment #31 Removed by Moderator

To: patent
Another archconservative Catholic checking in. Thanks for the bump!
32 posted on 11/12/2001 12:12:11 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: woofer
So, I apologize if my remarks offended you. And thanks to everyone for futhering my education I'm a big enough man to take the lumps I deserve.

Apology accepted. We can all learn from each other here. :^)

33 posted on 11/12/2001 1:06:54 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: patent
Hi patent, thanks for bumping your list. :-)

I don't think I would tell them that my money is going to Priests for Life, considering that PFL seems like it might be coming under fire -- no point in giving CHD a reason to pile on PFL. I sure hope that Fr. Pavone's removal doesn't portend bad things for PFL. :-(

34 posted on 11/12/2001 1:12:48 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Askel5
Thanks for weiging in, Aslel5. BTW, do you know what has happened to the Wanderer? I can't find it on the web anymore. :-(
35 posted on 11/12/2001 1:17:29 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
Thanks for the ping. I skip donating to the CHD, but usually do donate to the Catholic Services Appeal.

Does anyone have any information about how those funds are dispersed? I did know about the controversy of the CHD, but haven't heard anything concerning the Catholic Servies Appeal.

36 posted on 11/13/2001 3:13:36 AM PST by Nubbin
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To: Nubbin
Actually, it's Patent who pinged you. He's got the Catholic ping list.

I don't know anything about the "Catholic Services Appeal." We don't have anything with that name here in the Los Angeles archdiocese. Whereabouts are you from?

37 posted on 11/13/2001 4:38:20 AM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
I'm in rural central texas. My parish is in the Austin diocese. Perhaps it is for programs within the diocese.
38 posted on 11/13/2001 2:48:55 PM PST by Nubbin
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To: Aunt Polgara
Interesting. I tried to visit "The Wanderer" website tonight and it has apperently been discontinued. A recent issue of "The Wanderer" gives its website as www.thewandererpress.com.
39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:15 PM PST by IM2Phat4U
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To: Aquinasfan
Ditto.
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:48 PM PST by victim soul
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To: nickcarraway
bump
41 posted on 04/12/2002 5:44:38 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Romulus

thanks for the info.


42 posted on 08/17/2006 6:15:19 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Diago

fyi


43 posted on 08/17/2006 6:58:13 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Aunt Polgara
cchd;

44 posted on 11/27/2008 6:19:35 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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