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What is "Palaeo"conservatism?
My own questions | november 13, 2001 | Me

Posted on 11/13/2001 12:10:56 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

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To: JMJ333
JMJ333 wrote: BTW, UPI and AP are Saudi owned.

Neither UPI nor AP are Saudi owned. See below.

UPI now owned by Moonies.

From the AP FAQ:

1. Who owns The Associated Press?

The Associated Press is a not-for-profit cooperative, which means it is owned by its 1,550 U.S. daily newspaper members. They elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.

161 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:02 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
Nevertheless, I contend that Saudi ownership does not necessarily mean that certain Jewish people do not have a major influence on the reporting.

See my post #161. Neither UPI nor AP is owned by Saudis.

162 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:04 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: laconas
Neo-cons eccept some of the principles of Cultural/Marxism, whereas, paleo-cons eccept even fewer.

Neo-cons are basically recycled Trotskyites. That's their cultural background. See Springtime for Trotsky by Daniel McCarthy.

163 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:12 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: ouroboros
Yes, I caught this article when it was first posted. I notices right away that it was fast turning into a defamation thread. The firey darts didn't take long to fly.
164 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:18 PM PST by KirkandBurke
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To: KC Burke
Thanks for the Rusher article.
165 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:51 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
You are welcome. That is a good site to explore.
166 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:00 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Sabramerican; gcruse
One of the basic rules, which David Irving violated, for anyone who is attacked by PC forces is never ever fight back. If you do,

1. The Media attack hounds will take the opportunity to demonize you even more. If your fight was local, they will take it to the attention of the entire world.

2. You will lose. The PCs control the courts too. You will lose regardless of the merits of your case (and Irving's was pretty shaky).

3. People like Sabramerican and gcruse will take the fact that you lost as proof that they were right to besmirch your reputation in the first place.

167 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:18 PM PST by Architect
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What is "Palaeo"conservatism?

its a guy who takes care of his own family n community without government interference
168 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:19 PM PST by hoot2
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To: ThreeOfSeven
Neither UPI nor AP are Saudi owned... UPI now owned by Moonies.

Even if they were owned by the Saudis, this would not in any sense imply that they have a pro-Saudi bias. Anymore than these facts imply that UPI has a pro-Moonie bias.

The rest of JMJ333's delirium is equally hallucinatory. Lemmee see if I can follow it. The government of the Sudanese has murdered hundreds of thousands of Christians and animists. JMJ thinks that this is underreported by the press. Perhaps it is, although I have certainly seen plenty of coverage. Even so, what on earth does this have to do with Jews? Is the connection that the Sudan, like Israel, is a theocracy?

169 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:26 PM PST by Architect
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To: Architect
Remember the good old days?

Jews could be attacked with impunity. In writings, verbally and physically.

Those days are gone. Now we fight back.

In every arena, using the methods appropriate to the situation.

And guess what? On a level playing field- or, you can ask the Arabs, even when the odds against us- we win, or at least severally bloody the opponent.

The bullies who thought that it would always be free Jew hunting season are shocked.

And now they cry.

170 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:31 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Architect
Even if they were owned by the Saudis, this would not in any sense imply that they have a pro-Saudi bias. Anymore than these facts imply that UPI has a pro-Moonie bias.

I just wanted to set the record straight. AP was never owned by Saudis. UPI is not owned by Saudis.

However, I wouldn't be very surprised if some owners of news companies do influence the editorial line and the way the news is slanted. Owners can, after all, hire and fire employees and make their preferences known.

172 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:50 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: laconas
Since it's your first offense, I'll ignore your lack of manners in #134.

This the part where they want you to explain the difference between control and influence. The old semantics game. What is sex?

This is not semantics at all. If you want to stay away from Socratic method, here is the answer. There are numerous cases when A and B are present, A seems to cause B, yet it does not. These are known collectively as threats to validity; an exposition is readily available in most research-methods texts.

When faced with B = "I see Jewish names a lot" and A = "Jewish control of... (fill in your favorite social institution here)," you have concluded that A causes B.

The fallaciousness of this conclusion is readily seen from an example: most people who have gotten into an automobile accident (B) have eaten tomatoes at least once during a month prior to the accident (A). Clearly, you would not conclude that A causes B. And it is also clear why: joint presence of A and B is insufficient to assertain causality.

Which is why I posed the question about the visilble public presence of persons of Jewish decent and assertion of "Jewish control." The assertion that presence is a manifestation of control is false --- in the very least unsupported.

173 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:58 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Architect
There never was a Jew hunting season anywhere in the English-speaking world.

Just 10 years ago, in Crown Heights...

174 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:01 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: ThreeOfSeven
I wouldn't be very surprised if some owners of news companies do influence the editorial line and the way the news is slanted. Owners can, after all, hire and fire employees and make their preferences known.

Obviously true. Murdock does. Conrad Black does. But what can't happen is to stray too far from the party line. Saudi-backed media which attempted to take a pro-Arab line would get raked over the coals.

When Black attempted to bring a genuinely conservative media voice to the Canadian scene, he was repeatedly attacked from every direction. Eventually he gave in and sold out to the liberal Izzy Asper. BTW, for what it's worth (and I think it's worth precisely nothing), Asper is a Jew and Black is married to one.

Murdock's FOX News gets beaten on simply because it is balanced.

175 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:01 PM PST by Architect
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To: ouroboros
Bump- interesting article.
176 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:02 PM PST by mafree
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To: Architect
There never was a Jew hunting season anywhere in the English-speaking world.

I said that we win when we compete on a level playing field. It's almost piling on when we compete with inferiors- for fairness you should be benched.

1190: Massacre of Jews in York, England.

1290: Jews expelled from England

I said that we win when we compete on a level playing field. It's almost piling on when we compete with inferiors- for fairness you should be benched.

1190: Massacre of Jews in York, England.

1290: Jews expelled from England

Leo Frank

Write another stupid comment. At a certain number from your side, counting from the morning, I know it's time for lunch.

177 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:07 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: TopQuark
I had never heard of this incident but, before I looked it up, I was certain that it would be something involving blacks and Jews. And, of course, it was.

One of the rules of "civil discourse" is that racism is allowable on the part of blacks. It is also allowable to be anti-Christian but not anti-Judism. The fact that these two rules are contradictory is irrelevant. Many of the rules contradict each other.

178 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:08 PM PST by Architect
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To: Senator Pardek
I don't believe Sobran's an anti-Semite (I think the term, like "racist", is overused and at times meant to intimidate).

In this charming essay, Sobran blames "the Jews" for communism, fascism, secular humanism, the atom bomb (no, I'm not kidding) and almost every other evil in human history. If he's not an anti-Semite in the true meaning of the word, I don't know who is.

179 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:09 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: Sabramerican
You're really stretching it, aren't you? Eight hundred years ago???? In the Middle Ages???? For what it's worth, the rulers of England spoke French at that time. So what I said is still true. Not that it's the least bit relevant.

Only goes to prove what I was saying: you will go to any lengths to justify your nonsense. Attack silly fools. Dredge incidents out of ancient history. JMJ even thinks that Moslems killing Christians is proof of anti-semitism.

Part of your problem is that your memory is far too long.

180 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:16 PM PST by Architect
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