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In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!
Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:30 PM PST by 11B3

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: 11B3
Funny. There's no criminal activities listed under Right-Wing Extremists or Hate Groups. Not all of the Common Law Movement Proponents activities are illegal either. It's a real PC mish-mash.
151 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:54 PM PST by ThreeOfSeven
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To: harpseal
The FLEAs need to be purged top to bottom of Clinton era appointees, since most of them ARE literally "domestic enemies of the constitution".
152 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:54 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Don't you see how asinine that category of "domestic terrorist" is? It permits police to target literally tens of millions of law abiding Americans as domestic terrorism suspects.

It lets police target people who are for the violent overthrow of the government.

I guess you probably thought that McCarthy was a nut when he saw communists in Hollywood.

153 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:54 PM PST by Dane
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To: Travis McGee
And today, that means secret searches, no client lawyer privacy etc after the "Patriot Act of 2001".

Does this Act cover US citizens, or just foreign nationals rounded up on suspicion of terrorist culpability?

154 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:55 PM PST by maica
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To: 11B3; Taxman; Jim Robinson
Is this for real?

If it is,

I AM OUTRAGED!!

Norb in Jacksonville

155 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:01 PM PST by Norb2569
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To: wwjdn
"I believe in the Constitution, am I a terrorist?"

A am CERTAIN that these thugs of the federal government really meant Bill of Rights. They cannot stand individual liberty -- but then neither can most every "Christian" I know. It would appear then that Christians would be the federal pig's greatest asset. Demented minds seem to think alike anyway.

156 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:02 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: 11B3
Defenders of the Constitution???!!!!!

The entire military swears to defend the consitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Guess that makes me a terrorist and I would do it again.

157 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:02 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Defenders of the Constitution???!!!!!

Yep "defenders of the Constitution" like Timothy McVeigh.

158 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:02 PM PST by Dane
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To: Righty1
Claim driving is a right, not a privelege

If driving is included in the right to travel, then count me in.

Cordially,

159 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:02 PM PST by Diamond
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To: ThreeOfSeven
According to the TERRORISTS ORGANIZATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, I am a terrorist. (I will defend the Bill of Rights to my dying day).

So be it! I am a terrorist. F&CK the US GOVERNMENT -- THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET!!!!

160 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:02 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Dane
Like a true brainless puppet, you parot the Big Brother lie!

You brainless wonders are a joke.

161 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:03 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, please note that "defenders" is in quotes.

Just because someone loudly postures as, or sincerely believes he is, a defender of the Constitution does not make him one in fact. McVeigh probably thought he was defending the Constitution. The folks in the ACLU probably think they're defending the Constitution.

Like all things, discriminating judgement is required here to separate obnoxious jerks like the ACLU or a "nonviolent" Christian Identitist (who, IMNHO, are about as non-violent as Muslims :o) from the Earth Liberation Front or The Brotherhood.

The problem is that we've all been conditioned by the media to not be "judgemental" or "discriminating," so we've lost the ability to say that Christian Identity folks aren't Christian, that "defenders" of the Constitution may not be real defenders of the Constitution, and that some of the people who are supposedly on our side are scumbags. (Just because he's OUR scumbag doesn't make him any more palatable. But that's me being judgemental and discriminating, like all those dead white guys who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.)

162 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:03 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"The entire military swears to defend the consitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

The military no longer does this. They mindlessly follow the orders of their masters. In times past, this may have been acceptable, but not now -- not when we have people in EVERY OFFICE of the federal system who show nothing but contempt for it.

163 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:04 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Travis McGee
I am very interested in knowing if this is a localized phenomenae (ie. a Clinton era hold-over) or if it represents a test case for a general attitude/policy.

While many of the criteria are understandable, clearly, the part about using particularly these criteria to "assist uniformed officers in identifying potentital domestic terrorists" is extremely conerning:

If this is an attempt to establish a general policy regarding profiling people using particularly these criteria and then applying the "Patriot Act" and other Anti-Terrorism provision against them ... it is sure to lead to unrest and out and out fighting IMHO.

If it is an isolated incident, they need to remove the people responsible and diavow this particular tract and replace it with one that does not contain these references at all IMHO.

164 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:04 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Verax
"FBI Terrorist Brochures Fingers Right Wing Groups"

the rats finger freepers

165 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Verax
You are right no more talk. Lets Roll.........These idiots are nuts!
166 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Travis McGee
"The FLEAs need to be purged top to bottom of Clinton era appointees, since most of them ARE literally "domestic enemies of the constitution"."

Oh Jesus H. Christ, you people will harp on Clinton 'til his dying day. He's gone, OK. He's history, OK. You should be more concerned with that EVIL Bush, who is carrying out the EXACT SAME POLICIES as the EVIL CLINTON administration.

Republicans and Democrats -- Democrats and Republicans -- they are EXACTLY the same. You're fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

167 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:05 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: 11B3
I sent this email:
Subj: Constitutional Terrorists
Date: 11/14/01 1:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: Norb2569@al.com
To: complaints@mcso.maricopa.gov

This pamphlet you are publishing is treasonous. It is the duty of all Americans to protect and preserve the US Constitution against ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
This pamphlet places your organization in 'domestic enemies' category. Your record of law and order is smeared by this treasonous pamphlet. Please remove this from circulation at once.

Norb Logsdon
Orange Park, FL

168 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:05 PM PST by Norb2569
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To: Restorer
Didn't notice Black Muslims either.
169 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:05 PM PST by DaiHuy
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To: JRadcliffe
Oh Jesus H. Christ, you people will harp on Clinton 'til his dying day. He's gone, OK. He's history, OK. You should be more concerned with that EVIL Bush, who is carrying out the EXACT SAME POLICIES as the EVIL CLINTON administration.

If this had been a Clinton flyer, there would be no reference to ELF or Black seperatists.

I can't help it if you think that "defender of the Constitution" types, like Timothy McVeigh are not terroists.

170 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:06 PM PST by Dane
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To: Norb2569
Seems to be. Looks like we are going there, without a whimper.
171 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:06 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Righty1
Update...

faxed to CO reps and numberous Senetors (Barr, Helms, Campbell, etc)

172 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:07 PM PST by Verax
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To: 11B3
Thanks for the help!
173 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:07 PM PST by Verax
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To: 11B3
I'd like to see some confirmation of this pamphlet. Something about it looks amateurish. I think it might be a hoax.
174 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:09 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Norb2569

Excellent Norb...I've been getting tons of letters from Freepers who are Freeping...let's keep it up until we here Shepard Smith talking about it!

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality. " - Dante

175 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:10 PM PST by Verax
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To: JRadcliffe
Speak english it makes it easy to undestand what you are saying...
176 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:10 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: George W. Bush
I think it might be a hoax.
If it is a hoax someone is in big trouble for using that DOJ symbol. Don't know too many who would risk that if it were not real.
Time will tell won't it!
Seen all of the posts on this thread yet? I do believe it has already been shown to be real...post 106
177 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:10 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Dane
"I can't help it if you think that "defender of the Constitution" types, like Timothy McVeigh are not terroists."

Get this through your thick head -- defending the constitution IS NOT an act of terrorism. Blowing up buildings is a terrorist act (only reserved for the US Government). They are TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE THINGS.

Some people!

178 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:11 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Travis McGee
Unfortunately this disease among the Federal Law Enforcement types is not limited to the FBI or to only Clinton appointees. While there are many who are good hard working defenders of our Constitution and IMHO this constitutes an overwhelming majority. IMO a large number of them are first and foremost wedded to their jobs as defined by the culture of their agency. One of the essential principles of management is that corporations have a culture which is very resistant to change. Since 1960 the terror from the right has loomed large in the corporate culture of the FBI and other Federal law enforcement agencies. Agents were promoted becuase of a big civil rights bust. that is they got a Klansman or a neo-nazi. Agents were detached to the field office in Point Barrow for the winter if they came to close to some politically connected left winger.

I do not know that George W. Bush is working to change this culture but one can hope. If he finally is able to get the FBI fully focused on the very real threat from Islamic terrorists then perhaps a large part of this culture will change. Until then it hampers efforts in actrively pursuing leads.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

179 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:11 PM PST by harpseal
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To: wwjdn
"Speak english it makes it easy to undestand what you are saying..."

Of course, your lack of reading and comprehension skills have absolutely nothing to do with it -- sarcasm!

180 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:11 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: maica
"Does this Act cover US citizens, or just foreign nationals rounded up on suspicion of terrorist culpability?"

It covers both

181 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:11 PM PST by Native American Female Vet
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To: Dane
"If this had been a Clinton flyer, there would be no reference to ELF or Black seperatists."

Yeah, kinda like Pakistan and all the other terrorist nations, which are now our "friends". At least they are friends of the US Government.

Only the government may murder, steal, and have terrorist friends. God forbide and the SUPREME rights of the INDIVIDUAL should be respected.

182 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:30 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: George W. Bush
Please read the posts above...I've already verified with the FBI that its official

Call the Phoenix FBI at 602/279-5511 and ask them yourself.

Ask for the Duty Officer!

183 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:31 PM PST by Verax
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To: JRadcliffe
Get this through your head (of unknown thickness): the word "defenders" was in quotes in this pamphlet. There are some folks out there who loudly--and falsely--claim to be "defenders" of the Constitution.

Differentiating between someone who is a defender of the Constitution and someone who is a "defender" of the Constitution requires judgement and discrimination--just like reading this pamphlet does.

184 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:32 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: JRadcliffe
Oh man....that's scary!!
185 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:32 PM PST by Verax
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To: Verax
I'm one of them doomsday cult types. I believe,...no I know we are all going to die,......someday.
187 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:32 PM PST by chuckles
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To: hedgetrimmer
I've seen a few texts like that. Keep in mind, it's not all bad out there. I have the Constitution up in my classroom, and use it in class discussion at least monthly... and I'm a math teacher.

Click here to see what my school does for Veteran's Day, as well! =^)

188 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:33 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Righty1

Congressional Oath of Office

I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
189 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:33 PM PST by Verax
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To: Poohbah
"Differentiating between someone who is a defender of the Constitution and someone who is a "defender" of the Constitution requires judgement and discrimination--just like reading this pamphlet does."

You may feel comfortable allowing government to use good judgement and descrimination -- I DO NOT!

190 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:33 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: DaiHuy
Didn't notice Black Muslims either.

What terrorist activities have they engaged in? Also, they are (or some of them are) black separatists.

191 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:33 PM PST by Restorer
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To: JRadcliffe
So you can't speak better English? You're funny. You speak in circles and then laugh at people who don't understand your tripe.
192 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:33 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Poohbah
--and falsely--claim to be "defenders" of the Constitution.

Think about what you're writing.

Claiming either falsely or truthfully to be a defender of the Constitution is IN NO WAY A TERRORIST ACT.

There's no damn good reason for "defender of the Constitution" to be on this brochure at all!

as an act which represents suspicion of domestic terrorism.

Who's going to decide who is claiming TRUTHFULLY or FALSELY?

193 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:34 PM PST by Verax
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To: JRadcliffe
bump!
194 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:34 PM PST by Verax
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To: wwjdn
"So you can't speak better English? You're funny. You speak in circles and then laugh at people who don't understand your tripe."

Oh really? So far, you're the ONLY one who has EVER said so. That should tell you something deary.

195 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:34 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Verax
Thank you, you've just made my point about discrimination and judgement, good day.
196 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:35 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: JRadcliffe
Even the most legitimate functions of government require the application of good judgement and discrimination. But you don't want ANYONE to apply any of those. I'm sorry, but I'm not into anarchy.
197 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:35 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: JRadcliffe
And your point is?????
198 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:45 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Righty1
word is getting out...
199 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:47 PM PST by Verax
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To: Poohbah
"I'm sorry, but I'm not into anarchy."

Neither am I. I am into a Constitutional Republic -- which we do not have. If we did, the FBI wouldn't even exist. The feds have absolutely no Constitutional authority for a federalized police force, a.k.a. FBI

200 posted on 11/16/2001 1:08:48 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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