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In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!
Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:30 PM PST by 11B3

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

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I wish I hadn't seen this. Notice that there is no mention of "middle eastern" men. Notice that if you are a "Defender of the Constitution" you are a terrorist. Isn't that part of their Oath of Office???
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:30 PM PST by 11B3 (bgilquist@keepandbeararms.com)
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To: 11B3
Bump to self for later...
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: 11B3
Also note that the "Left Wing Terrorism" is even in smaller font size. Saying that about Marxist/Leninist tendencies applies to the 53 members of Congress who belong to the Socialist Party, so why aren't they locked up?
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:33 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
Isn't that special! It's probably an old pamphlet...right?
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:33 PM PST by nagdt
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To: 11B3
Federal Bureau of Idiots
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:33 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: 11B3
Surpised they didn't have "Call each other FReepers" in there somewhere.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:33 PM PST by ppaul
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To: nagdt
No - certainly since the 911. Reports are that it is very new.
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:34 PM PST by 11B3
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To: mykdsmom; ncpastor; jern; billbears; dutyhonorcountry; Helms; Freedom'sWorthIt; KayEyeDoubleDee...
Not North Carolina-related, but interesting nonetheless.
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:34 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Deport Billary; RightOnline; defeat_the_dem_igods; FearlessFreep; Freeper...
Not North Carolina-related, but interesting nonetheless.
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:35 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: ppaul
I think we fall under "Cult-Type Group". :)
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:35 PM PST by dell Arpa
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To: krb; kayak; Phantom Lord; Darth Reagan; Carolina; JWinNC; Dark Watch; doglot; George Smiley...
Not North Carolina-related, but interesting nonetheless.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:35 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: 11B3
Cristian Identity???????????????????????? Are you kidding?
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:35 PM PST by bakatare
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To: 11B3
Hmmm FALN, now where have I heard that before? Bill? anyone?
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:35 PM PST by TooBusy
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To: 11B3
Notice that there is no mention of "middle eastern" men.

That's because the pamphlet is about domestic terrorism. Foreign terrorists, by definition, are not domestic.

I hate to break it to you, but there are individuals in all the groups listed who are indeed potential domestic terrorists.

Certainly, not all people with such views are terrorists, any more than all "Middle Eastern men" are.

Welcome to profiling. Not as much fun when you fit the profile, is it?

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:36 PM PST by Restorer
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To: 11B3
Joe Arpaio, the Maricopa County Sheriff, is probably the best sheriff in the country. A staunch Republican, he pissed off the lefties by instituting rules at the county jail and requiring inmates to live in tents, clean up after themselves, no TV, etc. I am surprised he would allow the Sheriff's Department to be named on this garbage. Could it be a gag meant to discredit him?
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:36 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Cyber Liberty
Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:38 PM PST by bakatare
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To: bakatare
No - I'm not kidding! Wait untill they start pulling over soccer moms with the fish symbol on the back of their minivans.....How about paramilitary training - like shooting your assault rifle in the desert? Wear any BDU clothing lately (I'm wearing BDU pants right now)?
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:40 PM PST by 11B3
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To: rolling_stone
Federal Bureau of Idiots

LOL. Even if funny, though, I don't think it applies. FB of Incompetents, maybe. I prefer Federal Bureau of Incineration. We must never forget that the first terrorist act in the "homeland" was carried out by these jack-booted thugs at Waco.

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:40 PM PST by jammer
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To: Restorer
Welcome to profiling. Not as much fun when you fit the profile, is it?

Indeed. To all of you folks who want Big Brother to "save" you, you got your wish.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:40 PM PST by alpowolf
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To: bakatare
Cristian Identity???????????????????????? Are you kidding?

This is a particular group of "Christians" who believe that Americans are the true 10 Lost Tribes of Israel. Some of them have indeed participated in terrorism. By almost any definition, their beliefs are extremist, racist and anti-Semitic.

Lots of liberals like to classify them as "fundamentalists" to discredit conservative Christians. In truth, they have no more in common with most Christians than the People's Temple did.

21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:40 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Stupid statement...how does someone who defends U.S. Constitution or of Christian identity fit a profile of a terrorist? and where are the Muslim groups like Ferrikahn etc.?
22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by bakatare
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To: 11B3
Did you get this from the Sierra Times site?

I can't find it there.

Could you link to it?

23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by Syncro
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To: 11B3
The only two things I DON'T fall under is LEFT-WING EXTREMIST and WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So, that MUST mean that I'm a right-wing, hating, common law, single issue terrorist. Who would have known? I thought that I was a kind, gentle and harmless kind of person who hates phonies, liars and liberals.
24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by kcvl
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To: 11B3
"Goups or individuals operating entirely inside the US, attempting to influence the US government or population to effect political or social change by engaging in criminal activity."

This is the Democratic National Committee, right?

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by G-Bear
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To: ppaul
I'm familiar with the Sherrif as well - I'd bet that the Feds put this out without his knowledge. No doubt a Clinton holdover as well still gunning for the VRWC.
26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
That means the entire military are considered "terrorists"!!!
27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:41 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: 11B3
Didn't see any mention of swarthy males with turbans here on "student visas". No wonder we were caught flat-footed on 9/11.

According to this ridiculous pamphlet, the real enemy of the United States are "right-wing"-pro-constitution-pro-life-Christians (or, as Clymer Bill Moyer put it, "the Taliban in this country").

28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:42 PM PST by RooRoobird14
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To: Syncro
Link
29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:42 PM PST by michigander
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To: Restorer
I apologize for the "Stupid Statement" comment...you do not deserve that but I am a little upset that profiling seems to have gone to a new level which is exactly what gives the feel of socialism...tell Big Brother, He will take care of you!
30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:42 PM PST by bakatare
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To: Syncro
Here's the link for where it appears in both places, here, and here.
31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:42 PM PST by 11B3
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To: bakatare
I believe "Christian Identitiy" does not refer to Christians in general but to the church used by white supremecists. A quick search turned up this
32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:43 PM PST by TooBusy
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To: bakatare
Stupid statement...how does someone who defends U.S. Constitution or of Christian identity fit a profile of a terrorist? and where are the Muslim groups like Ferrikahn etc.?

Please note that "defenders" is in quotations. Tim McVeigh claimed to be one. I'm sure you would reject this claim. You have to recognize that not every single person making this claim is really a good American.

Please look up "Christian Identity" on the internet before you argue further that they cannot be terrorists. They are a specific group, and some of them really are terrorists.

The followers of Ferrakhan seem to be more into free-lance street crime than terrorism.

33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:43 PM PST by Restorer
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To: bakatare
I will patiently explain this to you: Christian Identity is NOT even remotely Christian. It is a neo-pagan belief system that holds that White people are God's Chosen People, and that all others are inferiors who must eventually be exterminated. (White people who disagree with them are called "race traitors," blacks are "mud people," and Jews are "the spawn of Satan." A fine bunch, indeed.)

They claim to "defend the Constitution," but they hold that it does not apply to anyone but white people who believe as they do. They defend the Constitution about as much as Chuckie Schumer does.

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:43 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: 11B3
I'm a "lone individual"! I guess conjoined twins would be safe from suspicion.
35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:43 PM PST by vacrn
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To: bakatare
No problem. When I first read this the site here was down for maintenance. I was shocked - as well as disgusted, so I can understand some reaction to this.
36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:43 PM PST by 11B3
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To: TooBusy
Hey TOOBUSY, you know that but if some gov't loving, know it all liberal was to read the pamphlet, what would they think or do?...That is the "Real" purpose of this. Your answer would be the "clean hands" answer from the pamphlet creators. Christian identity can and will be interpreted in many ways.
37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:44 PM PST by bakatare
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To: 11B3
Maybe I should talk to the FBI, cuz my wife is a domestic terrorist !!! You should hear all the nasty ways in which she threatens me . . . and all becauese I refuse to take a shower more than once a year !!!

Gotta save all that hot water, don'tcha know !!! Gotta keep Al Gore happy too, eh? I mean, geez . . . Bush and the SCOTUS swiped the election from him, dint they? :-))

38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:02 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: bakatare
I thought the same thing. A coworker told me that this is the actual name of a group of very intolerant and sometime violent people. You can read more about them here.
39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:03 PM PST by Is2C
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To: 11B3

POLICE STATE
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:04 PM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: michigander; 11B3
Thanks for the links...I have to buy a scroll button...
41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:04 PM PST by Syncro
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To: bakatare
Just trying to give you some information. I am not justifying this pamphlet or any corruption of language used to perpetuate the ignorance of the or the "Anti-God" crowd.I posted the link I did because when I did a search it was the first original source that showed up. Read some of the other replies on this thread for clarification.
42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:04 PM PST by TooBusy
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To: libertylady
What happened to all of the constitutional bound people that used to post on this site?
Need anything else?
Coming to a State near you?
43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:05 PM PST by philman_36
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To: 11B3
It's even more disgusting than that. The psychological techique of placing the Constitution alongside all those whackjob Klukers sets up a subconcious reflex so that anytime someone mentions the Constitution, they think of Klukers. Welcome to PSYOPS 101.
44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:06 PM PST by Wm Bach
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To: 11B3
I notice all politically correct terrorists are left off. No mention of the militant black groups, La Raza and Aztlan which want to conquer half of the US, and you're right no mention of the Jihaders at all.
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:09 PM PST by FITZ
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To: bakatare
"Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in."

"Christian Indentity" is the name of a neo-nazi "religion".

46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:09 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Wm Bach
Bingo! It seems that Clinton's domestic law enforcement agenda continues through his holdovers. They've moved along from the militia and now are targeting ALL of us.....
47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:10 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
Under "Weapons of Mass Destuction" they left out "Middle-eastern men that hijack commerical jets and fly them into large buildings".
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:10 PM PST by 4CJ
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To: kcvl
"The only two things I DON'T fall under is LEFT-WING EXTREMIST and WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. So, that MUST mean that I'm a right-wing, hating, common law, single issue terrorist."

If you're a member of "Christian Identity", then yes, you are.

So, are you?

49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:10 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: FITZ
Yes, it seems the targets (with some obvious exceptions) of this are mainly those who would be supporters of the President.
50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:11 PM PST by 11B3
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