In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!

Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

[11B3]

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

Front Page

Back Page

[JRadcliffe]

"And your point is?????"

I haven't a clue what your point is except the defame my posts. You are the one who started this banter. Unless you can make a point by actually telling the truth, then I suggest you drop it.

[Verax]

Going to bed now, I worked all night...

I hope somebody takes this and runs with it...

I hope it's still a free country when I wake up.

[Squantos]

Lone individuals are terrorist's ? Right wing are extreamist ,....yet left wing are terrorist ? Well ya have to like that part :o)

They want to stick to this they'll have to disband congress......Ooooop's maybe I let the cat outta the bag early....

Stay Safe !

[Travis McGee]

You are making no sense.

The pamphlet incudes "defenders of the constitution" as terrorist suspects, even though all military and police take a sworn oath to do just that.

What does that have to do with Joe McCarthy and the communists in the 1950s?

Try to make sense, you are incoherent.

[Travis McGee]

The Patriot Act makes no distinction between illegal aliens, legal aliens, naturalized citizens and native citizens.

[Architect]

Oh Good Lord, Poohbah. Look at the damn thing. The group that gets the central position is "Common Law Proponents". How could any of the things listed there be construed in any way as terrorist?

This is all about asking the police to be accountable for their actions. Can't have that, can we?

[Travis McGee]

I am only reading what the FBI has put out as guidance to local LEOs.

Are the local PDs supposed to read it, or "interpret" it on some higher level?

[freefly]

"..defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

Well. That gets all military and ex-military that take their oath seriously.

"Goups or individuals operating entirely inside the US, attempting to influence the
US government or population to effect political or social change by engaging in criminal activity."

Does that mean that politicians and lobbyists will be tried as terrorists when they
get caught doing the things they get caught at regularly?

"Political motivation is usually Marxist/Leninist philosophy"

That covers most of the people in government office and most in civil service.
Of course, I doubt that most of them will be targeted in spite of their stated leanings.

"Groups of individuals engaged in para-military training."

That appears to get all organized militias.
Of course, it also covers the swat teams, the FBI,
the armed units of various government offices, etc.

"Persons who request authority for being stopped"

Anyone who questions someone with a badge...

"Persons who attempt to "police the police"

Anyone who trys to keep the police from breaking the law.

"Persons who make numerous references to U.S. Constitution."

Anyone that believes that they are still have rights under that document.


Citizen: "Hey why are you busting down my door? I have rights!"
Badge: "What rights?"
Citizen: "My Constitutional rights!"
Badge: "Not anymore you don't -you domestic terrorist you!"

[freefly]

"It lets police target people who are for the violent overthrow of the government."

It ALSO lets them target ANYONE that fits their open-ended description.
You just don't want to admit it.

[freefly]

"Differentiating between someone who is a defender of the Constitution and someone
who is a "defender" of the Constitution requires judgement and discrimination--"

Maybe you havn't noticed, but both tend to be in short supply where
the fed is concerned. As I pointed out to dane (and as Travis McGee
pointed out) this is as open-ended as they CHOOSE to make it.
We can see how this worked in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, and Mao's China.
You can be declared an "enemy of the state" at the discression of the federal (or local) police.
And now it takes VERY little to be branded as such.

[Uncle Bill]

From FBI Brochure:

"Defenders of U.S. Constitution."

Against federal government and UN."

Jim, the FBI officially believes that you are a terrorist. Also, please change your logo.

If you have any questions, please refer to _Jim, Sinkspur or Poohbah. They will gladly be of help.

About Free Republic - Who are we?

"Free Republic is a loosely organized group of grassroots Americans who support our Constitution..."

"You will be among great friends and patriots, and together, we will make a difference."

"Free Republic is dedicated to reversing the trend of unconstitutional government expansion and is advocating a complete restoration of our constitutional republic."

"We at Free Republic are determined to return the Constitution to its rightful place as the Supreme Law of the land as the Founders intended."

"We call for the repeal of the Emergency and War Powers Acts, an end to all national emergencies and a ban on the unilateral creation of law by Presidential edict. We are also working for the repeal all laws created by unconstitutional and extraconstitutional devices, such as Executive Order or Presidential Directive."

"A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues. This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and Medicare be repealed. So too, will most federal subsidies."

"We further call for the rescinding of all treaties and/or International Agreements which are not in perfect agreement with the federal government’s Constitutionally mandated task of protecting the rights of the people."

We believe that the United States should disassociate itself from the U.N. and that the U.N. should be forced to leave the United States. Furthermore, we demand that the federal government refrain from meddling in the business and squabbles of foreign nations, unless there is an imminent threat to the people of the United States."

Sorry Jim, many of us here have always thought you to be a "Super Patriot." Of course, to the FBI, that takes on a whole different meaning. Let us know when the tanks roll in.

Regards, Uncle Bill.

[Travis McGee]

That reply would be quite funny, except I don't think that the federal SWAT teams have any sense of humor, or ability to differentiate a "defender" of the constitution from a defender of the constitution.

[Askel5]

Hey ... at least our legislators "get it" ... named their latest Act after the likes of Jim Robinson.

[freefly]

And they said it couldn't happen here...

[wwjdn]

Gee who does that sound like? I aks for simple explanations and suddenly I'm flaming you?

No more, I can see that you are beyond reason!

[Askel5]

Thanks for the letters, calls and the links.

[Poohbah]

Are the local PDs supposed to read it, or "interpret" it on some higher level?

Like anything else...law enforcement relies on good judgement and discrimination, better known as "profiling." Ain't it just heck to be a bearded, swarthy-skinned Arab (even an Arab-American) right now? But it's a fair assessment.

[swampfox98]

Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in.

Anyone who is a Conservative and is against amnesty for illegals and open borders. We're all toast.

[JRadcliffe]

"I aks for simple explanations and suddenly I'm flaming you?"

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"So you can't speak better English? You're funny. You speak in circles and then laugh at people who don't understand your tripe."

Yes indeed, I'd consider that a flame. Your attempt to deceive is duely noted for all to see.

[wardaddy]

Yep Travis ...it looks as though our FLEOS are all about as politically correctly indoctrinated as our State Dept. Damn shame too!!!.....there must be a fair amount of decent folks in these agencies...major ditto for our Armed Forces as well.

I suppose my Celtic Cross tattoo on my left shoulder as well as the Blue Bonnet flag tag on the front of my old Land Rover must qualify me as some sort of suspect as well. You know the esteemed ADL deems the Celtic Cross a terror symbol as well. Gawd!!!!

I see the some of the willy nilly Freepers (in name only) have tried to get your goat a bit today. Nice discipline ...refusing to take the bait.

BTW...for anyone reading...Chritian Identity adherents...no matter how misguided are not the same as Neo-Nazis....their only commonality is their mutual dislike of Jews in particular.

Regards