In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!

Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

[11B3]

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

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[liliana]

i better watch out as i have the fish symbol on my front door. i must have been in denile.

[wwjdn]

Are you just having a bad day or what?

I meant no harm to anyone, I asked for an explanation and got flamed, then I was accused of doing the flaming...

Oh well, off to more productive post.

[Travis McGee]

Asset forfeiture was another great idea which was ONLY going to be used to go after narcotics kingpins.

[JRadcliffe]

OK wwjdn, you seem like a nice enough person, so if yuou rephrase your question, and tie it to a specific post, I'll try to anwer your question. But can you not see that such statements as: "So you can't speak better English? You're funny. You speak in circles and then laugh at people who don't understand your tripe." can be considered a flame?

Mind you I don't mind a good flame. I can give as well as I get.

[wwjdn]

Thanks, I have a thick skin, I can take it too. I just wanted to keep to the facts, and I was also guilty of pulling a tangent. Sorry.

ha, ha, now I forgot the question...

Oh well. My point was: I am concerned that these definitions can be misinterpreted, making an honest, law abiding person a terrorist. The new laws make you guilty first and then maybe innocent later, if you get a chance to prove yourself...

Thanks for the reply.

[hattend]

Welcome to profiling. Not as much fun when you fit the profile, is it?

So who is excluded in the profile list? It covers just about 100% of the population who have an opinion about something.

[wardaddy]

The 1000 pound gorilla in the closet regarding governmental suppression (and control) is and has always been GUN CONFISCATION. Take away our firearms and it becomes exponentially more difficult to resist.

You know as well as anyone on this forum that there is a faction in the leadership of this nation that is momentarily distracted but still in their dreams(wet) wish nothing more than to disarm the nation....and not to fight crime but to make us all more vulnerable to their PC whip. They fear folks like us and the extremists on the right far more than they do your garden variety predator. They will try to use justified fear of the extremists in order to neuter the rest of us on the right. That's exactly why they are lumping folks like us in with CI and NA etc.

Regards...and keep the faith.

[Travis McGee]

The 2nd amendment is the Rubicon, for certain.

[Wrigley]

What are the chances this is just a hoax document meant to rile us up here? If it is in fact true, someone's job is on the line.

[Henrietta]

Golly! So if I am stopped for no apparent reason while driving my car, and ask Mr. JBT to explain himself, I'm a terrorist? Boy, these guys are wimps! Terrorists are people who, for instance, break down your door at night while serving a search warrant, and shoot the homeowner in the back. Now THAT'S a terrorist!

[bakatare]

I will tell you that "extreme activist" Black Muslims,Black Panthers and and Black Separatist are many times one in the same. Ask Cincinnati folks after the riots.

[maica]

I found this link with a summary of the Bill

Here is what I was looking for:

Title VIII: Strengthening the Criminal Laws Against Terrorism - Amends the Federal criminal code to prohibit specific terrorist acts or otherwise destructive, disruptive, or violent acts against mass transportation vehicles, ferries, providers, employees, passengers, or operating systems.

(Sec. 802) Amends the Federal criminal code to: (1) revise the definition of "international terrorism" to include activities that appear to be intended to affect the conduct of government by mass destruction; and (2) define "domestic terrorism" (my bold) as activities that occur primarily within U.S. jurisdiction, that involve criminal acts dangerous to human life, and that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence government policy by intimidation or coercion, or to affect government conduct by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.

(Sec. 803) Prohibits harboring any person knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe that such person has committed or to be about to commit a terrorism offense.

(Sec. 804) Establishes Federal jurisdiction over crimes committed at U.S. facilities abroad.

(Sec. 805) Applies the prohibitions against providing material support for terrorism to offenses outside of the United States.

(Sec. 806) Subjects to civil forfeiture all assets, foreign or domestic, of terrorist organizations.

(Sec. 808) Expands: (1) the offenses over which the Attorney General shall have primary investigative jurisdiction under provisions governing acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries; and (2) the offenses included within the definition of the Federal crime of terrorism.

(Sec. 809) Provides that there shall be no statute of limitations for certain terrorism offenses if the commission of such an offense resulted in, or created a foreseeable risk of, death or serious bodily injury to another person.

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It goes on, --- but while this pamphlet published in Phoenix is stupid, I don't see the actual bill as taking away any more of our freedoms than living with uncontrolled terrorist behavior would.

[JRadcliffe]

"Thanks for the reply."

You're welcomed. It seems we're on the same wave length here.

[Travis McGee]

Just hope that your own organization is never called a terrorist organization by the feds: say a right to life group which ever had a member send a letter interpreted as threatening.

RICO and asset forfeiture laws were also sold as being narrowly targeted against mobsters and drug kingpins, now they are used against pro-life groups and to sieze the cash of old ladies.

Now, with the Patriot Act, groups seen by the feds as causing problems will be named as terrorist groups (or those supporting them) and Katy bar the door.

[JRadcliffe]

"If it is in fact true, someone's job is on the line."

Do you really think so? After Huriuchi (a Federal Agent) murdered innocent people at Ruby Ridge, he was given an award, and sent on to Waco for more of his mass slaughter! (our government thinks our children taste better when well-done over an open flame.)

In a civilized society, he would have been in prison LONG ago. Instead this criminal murdering thug is still free to terrorize Americans -- AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE HAVE SENDING OUT THIS GARBAGE! The authors will probably be promoted and cheered. (Asscroft will, no doubt, do the honors.)

[JRadcliffe]

"Now, with the Patriot Act, groups seen by the feds as causing problems will be named as terrorist groups (or those supporting them) and Katy bar the door."

As you so eloquently pointed out, the precident has been set -- and ASScroft was a large part of getting these things into place. Now that godless, satan-worshipping MF'er has a post (a dangerous one) in THIS "Republican's" Administation.

Bush SR -- RUBY RIDGE

Clinton -- WACO

Bush JR -- ????????

It appears he is after any and everyone.

I've said it over and over again -- Ashcroft is evil. You mark my words!

[Doomonyou]

Charles A. Beard: "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."

[Don Joe]

"Can someone please identify what Christian indentity means before I turn myself in."

"Anyone who is a Conservative and is against amnesty for illegals and open borders. We're all toast."

That's simply not true.

Please, take a few moments to bring yourself up to speed on "Christian Identity". Warning -- you'll feel like washing your hands after you leave these sites:

"Seedline & Race"

"Kingdom Identity Ministries - Christian Identity, White Race, Christian Right, Christian Patriot, Nationalism, Conservative, Seedline"

"Doctrinal Statement - Christian Identity, White Race..."

"Christian Identity politics"

"Christian Identity - An Apologetics Index research resource"

"When people first hear the term Christian Identity, they think that it refers to another Christian denomination, such as Methodist or Baptist. This confusion enables racial supremacists to provide a 'religious' cover for their views. The basic belief of the Christian Identity movement is that the Jews are descendants of Satan, and that the real Israelites are the English"

"Christian Identity" (this is "stormfront.org", a CI/neo-nazi outfit. From the horses's mouth, as it were.

"Christian Identity- Gospel of Hatred" (from acts1711.com/JESUS IS LORD Ministries of Monroe)

"The Christian Identity Movement" (from same site as above)

"Christian Identity beliefs"

There. I've scratched the surface. But just barely. There are reams of information available to anyone who feels like researching it. CI is an open book. I must say that I am surprised that some here claim ignorance of the topic. It strains credulity.

[caseyblane]

LOL!! Nice Catch!!