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In Phoenix, We're Terrorists!
Sierra Times/KABA ^ | 14 Nov 01 | Self

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:30 PM PST by 11B3

Do you defend the Constitution? If the police pull you over, do you want to know why? Have you ever "hacked"? Are you alone? Well, guess what Freepers - if you can answer "Yes" to any of these questions (and a whole bunch more that fits nearly everyone), then you are a terrorist! Instead of continuing my rant, I'll show you the tri-fold pamphlet that this info comes from so that you can do your own ranting. Here it is:

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: 11B3
I wonder if the rifle range we set up for our kids' Buckeroo qualifies for the para-military training.

While we're on the subject of profiling:

The kind of people who would print and distribute this brochure are the same kind of kids who couldn't wait for their turn at 'hall monitor' so they could push other kids around, whack everybody with the yardstick, and steal lunch money from the smaller kids.

They are incapable of occupying any position of authority without abusing that authority.

They have no business carrying a firearm or a badge.

And they darn sure don't deserve a dime of taxpayer money.

If law enforcement wants the support of the people, they'll have to send these Barney Fifes back to their bar-bouncer jobs.

251 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:04 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: 11B3
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is right on 98% of what is in this pamphlet. Here is where they are wrong.

1. Defenders of US Constitution against the UN: Hell yes someone needs to defend the Constitution against these socialists. The FBI's crack about defend the US Constitution against the Ferderal Gov't defies all reason. Most defenders of the Constitution are also defenders of our government and way of life.

2. Attempt to "police the police": This is just common sense. They of all people should know that most police forces have civilian oversight in case someone decides to be a little unethical and abuse the power afforded them.

3. Make numerous references to the US Constitution: To the "Top Cops" a little history lesson. It's the supreme law of the land!

4. Very interesting that they did not profile the main threat facing us right now. They mentioned everyone else. Very PC. Would not want to hurt anyones feelings now would we.

It is a travesty that the DOJ has been Renodoctrinated and become better known as the Dept. of Injustice under the Clintonista's. There was a time the the FBI was a champion of the US Constitution and did a heck of a job defending it and us. I hope that they can regain their past ethics, dignity, and work ethic as we will all be a little safer because of it.

252 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:14 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: freefly
And the winner for Most Rediculous Comment of The Day is!!!

"Differentiating between someone who is a defender of the Constitution and someone who is a "defender" of the Constitution requires judgement and discrimination--"

253 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:32 PM PST by Verax
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To: Travis McGee
As I always say, "Arm up! They Are!", but, now, it is, "Arm up! They HAVE!"
254 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:33 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Norb2569
Your #243 - Even Hitler obeyed German law!
255 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:34 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: DaiHuy
"Didn't notice Black Muslims either"

This surprises you!?</P

256 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:34 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: maica
"and (2) define "domestic terrorism" (my bold) as activities that occur primarily within U.S. jurisdiction, that involve criminal acts dangerous to human life, and that appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence government policy by intimidation or coercion,"

Sounds like the Bill and Hillary show along with thier side kicks Gore and Loserman! What are the Fed's waiting for? Serve warrants and arrest them now!

Heck just arrest them, FBI does not need warrants anymore.

257 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:43 PM PST by Wolfhound77
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To: rolling_stone
My favorite meaning for the initials "FBI" comes from the James Lee Burke novels featuring former New Orleans Police Detective Dave Robichaux: Fart, Barf & Itch! It kinda grabs you, doesn't it?
258 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:44 PM PST by ggraziano
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To: FITZ
Also left out are the numerous organized murdering inner city gangs that have brutally murdered tens of thousands across this nation over the last decade or so.

I wonder why they were left out?

259 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:44 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: 11B3
Big Brother is watching you.


261 posted on 11/16/2001 1:13:53 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Aliska
The Armstrongs were "traditional" type "British Israelites", and while nuttier than a fruitcake, were nothing like the CI bunch. CI took some BI precepts and then worked it into a deadly monstrosity.

Think of the WWCOG as a counterpart to the "peace loving muslims", and CI as a counterpart to the Taliban, and you'll have a fairly decent idea of the relationship between the two groups.

262 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:30 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Gosh, and to think I used to think they were kind of cool. I got their free, slick magazine for awhile (ages ago). After I posted, it occurred to me that I wasn't too savvy about reading between the lines of this sort of literature and wondered if they were anti-semitic? Somewhere along the line I read that they were thrown out of Britain which I found odd because they claimed that the queen sat on King David's throne. They must have ticked off MI6 or something. I do think that some of the more contemporary identity movements are spinoffs from Armstrong's group.
263 posted on 11/16/2001 1:14:39 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Jeff Head
Jeff, I thought this would be a good one for you to answer.
264 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:04 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: All
This pamphlet is just like the one issued by the FBI a couple years ago in New Mexico. It was developed by the ADL and accepted as gospel by the FBI. It´s too bad we don´t have a truly independent FBI.
265 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:29 PM PST by FloridaGeezer
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To: FloridaGeezer
"It´s too bad we don´t have a truly independent FBI."

It's too bad we have the FBI at all! The Constitution of the United States DOES NOT authorize a national police force. If you think it is a good idea to have one, we have a CONSTITUTIONALLY authorized process whereby we can add amendments to allow such things.

If we do not respect the US Constitution COMPLETELY, we open the door for countless abuses. In fact, that is EXACTLY what we have -- one abuse after another.

266 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:32 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: B4Ranch
My only respons eon this thread has been in post number 164

I am not very familiar with the Christian Indentity movement, so would not be a good source. My understanding has been that their belief system leads them to be more of a White Separatists group and that they view caucasian blood lines as directly descendant from Adam and the "chosen" people of God.

But, that is only an impression and should not be taken to the bank.

I believe anyone can accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and thus be acceptable to Him. I have many black, brown, yellow and every variety of pigmentation friend whom I would trust my life, and the life of my family to. Whom I would be proud to have in a fox hole with me fighting tyranny. The principles of liberty and of fundamental morality are far more important to me than one's skin color. It is upon those principles that I base my judgements.

The Christian Identity people, if they are separatists, have every right to be so and to believe that as long as they do not infringe on others. If they want to "live apart" in covenant communities ... more power to them ... just don't try and force others to do so.

If they believe in Christ's teachings and follow them ... and if they do not try and coerse or force others and are willing to accept similarly moral people of other races and creeds as brother and sister Americans (meaning people who are committed to American liberty and the Constitution) ... then they can be allies ... just like any other belief system. ... but as you see, a lot of this is based on "if's" that I am not sure of with resect to that particular belief system.

Regards.

267 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:37 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Don Joe
I remember that now. It had slipped my mind.
268 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:57 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: FITZ
It's sad how few young people have ever read the constitution or have any regard to how important it is. Nowadays, if you mention it in argument regarding gun ownership rights, for example, a lot of people will consider you some sort of dangerous zealot. Some kind of extremist. That's the power of corporate mass media.
269 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:02 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Jeff Head
I don't know much about the christian identity movement in the US either but, just guessing, I think it's some sort of holdover of the twelve tribes or seven tribes religious groups that happened over a hundred years ago. Basically some europeans believed that they were the real jews, the real chosen god's people. I remember Bertrand Russell poking fun at them in some book written about 90 years ago. I suppose a google search would be in order.
270 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:03 PM PST by wooly_mammoth
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To: Jeff Head
If they want to "live apart" in covenant communities ... more power to them ...

I can't say I know much at all about Christian Identity, but if it's just living apart like you say, that seems a lot like the Amish and Mennonites are doing and that doesn't bother anyone.

271 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:43 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Well, like I said, I am not at all versed on them ... if they want to live apart, while it might not be what I would do at all ... it is their choice.

If they want to force others to live apart, then that clearly crosses the line.

So ... don't by any stretch take what I said as what they are. Those have just been my impressions from the little I have heard and read in passing.

272 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:44 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It's very interesting who is left out and who is included. It seems you only have to be moderately conservative and believe in the Constitution and this country to make that list, or believe in Second Amendment rights, or believe in Pro-Life. But the ones who believe in bringing down this government, running whites off their land and out of the SW like Aztlan and LaRaza, plus Black separatists groups, Communists, the Jihad group are left off.
273 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by FITZ
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To: 11B3
Well, I was pleased at least to see that the left were identifed as marxists! They usually accuse the right of this!
This is old I believe, put out after the OKC bombing.
274 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: AdamWeisshaupt
President GHW Bush used the term New World Order all of the time! Did the Clinton administration consider him a terrorist?
275 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: 11B3
DAM I'm on all the list but two The Marxist and the NBC list ( I'll need to do some work to get on that list yet lol )
277 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:25 PM PST by quietolong
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To: 11B3
BTTT, and watch your back.
279 posted on 11/20/2001 3:49:32 AM PST by packrat01
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To: Verax
A so how did it go Bump.
283 posted on 01/05/2002 4:56:17 PM PST by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
I heard weeks later on a radio show that brochure was recalled...

I believe the FBI blamed it on miscommunication or some nonsense. Now that I think of it...I have yet to hear back from any of the Congressmen I wrote that day. (Including my own!)

284 posted on 01/07/2002 10:38:47 PM PST by Verax
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To: Sweetliberty
Ping!
285 posted on 01/14/2002 3:59:27 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
bump
286 posted on 05/30/2002 1:02:27 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
What are you??? A 'defender' of the Constitution?

Dadburn Constitutional Terrorists!!!

287 posted on 05/30/2002 1:23:35 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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