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Message Betrays Panic At Top Of al-Qaeda
The Time (UK) ^ | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by blam

FRIDAY NOVEMBER 16 2001

Message betrays panic at top of al-Qaeda

BY DANIEL MCGRORY

A BRIEF but frantic message on a short-wave radio picked up by US special forces in the mountains of southern Afghanistan this week is the first evidence that al-Qaeda’s high command are going their separate ways to escape.
The panic in al-Qaeda’s ruling shura council is evident from the risks that they took in breaking cover knowing that their communications are being monitored.

Until this week al-Qaeda’s most wanted stayed close to their leader and never dared to use satellite telephones or radios in case they betrayed the location of their headquarters. Now some of Osama bin Laden’s most trusted lieutenants who planned the September 11 attacks are thought to have fled to a new hiding place so that even if their leader is captured or killed the terror campaign can continue.(They want to kill you and everyone you know)

Most are believed to be holed up in mountains in Paktia, or the neighbouring mountainous provinces of Oruzghan and Ghor.

US intelligence chiefs suspect that some may have already slipped across the border to Pakistan or Tajikistan to a haven. “You have to assume they always had an escape plan in the event the Taleban folded,” a Western security source said yesterday.

Since he settled in Afghanistan in 1996, bin Laden has spent a great deal of time and money preparing an emergency exit strategy. There are caves, safe houses, camps, refugee centres, tribal areas and routes across the mountains.

Bin Laden realises that the obsession is with catching him, so that leaves a chance for his lesser-known associates. “Once they saw what had become of the Taleban this week, they would have activated their escape plan so they live to fight again,” the source said.

The key figure that al-Qaeda needs to protect is its deputy and founding member, Ayman Zawahiri, a former Cairo surgeon who is regarded as the terrorist tactician. He recruited the financiers and planners who were sent to operational bases abroad and he is alleged to have picked the hijack leader, Mohammed Atta, who went to his university.

When he merged his Islamic Jihad group with al-Qaeda, Dr Zawahiri brought his acolytes with him. They had devised operations such as the attack on USS Cole in Aden last year, the bombings of US embassies in East Africa in 1998 and the suicide hijackings in America.

Bin Laden is sure to have taken steps to arrange a safe house for his financiers, who know where al-Qaeda’s bank accounts, which would be needed in any future attacks, are kept.

The banker whom the FBI believe was the field commander for the hijackings was Shaykh Saiid, who flew to Pakistan on the morning of September 11 on his way to join his leader.

Tony Blair revealed how bin Laden sent secret messages to the chosen few to be back in Afghanistan by September 10. What Western intelligence does not know is how many of this ruling shura were trusted with the secret of the identities of its agents based abroad.

Bin Laden kept his European operations separate from the US mission so only a handful know all al-Qaeda’a secrets. Other key figures who have not been seen recently include Saudi-born Abu Zoubeida, who was co-ordinating a series of bomb attacks timed for New Year’s Eve in December 1999.

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah is an explosives expert who has taught al-Qaeda’s most promising recruits, who were later sent to Europe, the Far East and America to await their orders.

What leaders like George Bush and Tony Blair find ironic is that for all their boasts of seeking martydom, al-Qaeda’s leading figures have spared no cost and energy in ensuring that they survive


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I hope our leaders do not go weak kneed over all the killing. There is a lot more killing to be done. These people are determined to survive and come kill you and your family. We have a long war to go yet.
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
All of the Al Qaidas captured should be given flying lessons, right out the side door of a Blackhawk.
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: blam
I have faith that President Bush and his team will see this through to the end. I can see some Americans wringing their hands and saying "We've got them on the run, let's let them be and bring the boys home in time for Christmas."

We cannot afford to take this approach. The terrorist networks must be exterminated and their financial backers must be dealt with as well. When all is said and done, there should be some serious redrawing of the Middle East maps. I hope my faith in the current administration is not misplaced.

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: blam
Somehow, I don't think very many of them are going to survive. Those who do, won't dare approach the money because they'll be caught. Those that survive will be useless because they will be hunted down for the rest of their miserable lives.

We may just allow a few of them to "escape" so they can lead us to the others.

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: blam
I doubt Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bush will relent. They seem committed to rooting out terrorists, no matter where the terrorists run. Stay true to the course, Sirs! Please.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: McGavin999
Are these signals directional? Can a matrix be set up to determine the location of the origin? Hope so.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: blam; Travis McGee
Our awesome President and PM Blair both understand that it's "kill them before they murder us." No a wobble between them!
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:19 PM PST by onyx
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To: SamAdams76
Here is a transcript of the short wave transmission: "My fellow jihadis. We are slowly destroying the Infidel Americans by draining thier military ammo supply and military budget. Soon, the Great Satan will collapse and victory will be ours. So, from now on, everytime you see an American grenade land near you, jump on it! Every american bullet you see flying in the air, stand in it's way. When you see the tanks of the Infidel, run up and wrap your body around the tractor treads and clog up the machinery. Soon, every American bullet will be spent and the Infidel economy will devour the Americans to hell, God willing. Allah Akbar!"
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by jackchaos
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To: blam
Bump
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: MadIvan
FYImput
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by onyx
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To: Travis McGee
I hope we have some special ops guys on the border to Pakistan. These SOB"S are running there like rats. How much is the ISI helping these guys to escape?
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by blam
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To: TomGuy
We now have a president who speaks the truth.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by rot.com
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To: blam
this is just another example of how the cancer of terrorism has permeated civilization. the war has just begun.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by mlocher
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To: blam
obl will shave his beard and try to pass through borders as a refugee
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: blam
Bump for a good find!
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Oh, I'm sure they have them fixed. They knew they would be traced.
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: blam
this Zwahiri guy is actually the ring leader. I would prefer they kill him first.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by alithia
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To: blam
Certainly these murderers should be hunted down and killed like the dogs and pigs that they are, but at the same time the hunters should mock the cowardice of these would-be martyrs. After all, if death for islam is so great, what are they waiting for?
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by mathurine
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To: blam
Your guess is as good as mine. They are Pashtuns on both sides of the border, there are 300 plus crossings, and smuggling has been the local profession of choice for millenia. If they get close to the border, they can get over, but the reception they will get inside of Pak from the ISA, I have no clue.
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:20 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: blam
Mulah Omar ostensibly used a cell phone or sattelite phone for his interview with the BBC,why couldn't they track him down?
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:21 PM PST by alithia
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To: SamAdams76
The best thing that could have happened to Bush happened when all the Naysayers in the media kept painting these bleak pictures about how hard it would be to take out the Taliban. Now when they start naysaying or criticising his continuing policies in eliminating terrorism, he can just point out how wrong they were about this.

I hope the media keeps it up. They have really started to lose credibility with Joe and Jane six-pack.

21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:21 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: blam
bin Laden smart, US stupid.
bin Laden clever, US clumsy.
bin Laden rich, US poor.
bin Laden winning, US losing.

Anyone who believes this crap: don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:21 PM PST by John Jamieson
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To: blam
I hope our leaders do not go weak kneed over all the killing.

Bush will not go weak kneed.

Texans know how to kill when necessary.

When it is time to kill, we kill with a will.

"Texans always move them." R.E. Lee after a Civil War battle when Texas regiments won the day.

23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:21 PM PST by LibKill
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To: gov_bean_ counter
"Are these signals directional?"

Their transmissions would more than likely be omni-directional. It's the most likely configuration of a portable HF or VHF radio setup or satellite phone.
Even if they had sent these transmissions using a directional antenna, at least two receiving stations would be needed to properly determine the location the transmission came from (Which I'm sure we've had setup and listening for sometime).
You could determine direction with one receiver and a specialized type of antenna but you'd have to be close and get very lucky.

24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:21 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: blam
Thanks for the great post. And I agree with you. Lots of killing to do.
25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:22 PM PST by austingirl
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To: LibKill
I know Texas. Check my profile.
26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:25 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The key figure that al-Qaeda needs to protect is its deputy and founding member, Ayman Zawahiri...

This one is very evil. A real stone killer who would use a nuke as soon as he had one.

27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:27 PM PST by dennisw
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To: P-Marlowe
My wife and I were discussing that tonight. NBC tried to label Putin's visit here a "failure" as there was no agreement on the missle treaty. Bush has already said, We don't have no stinken treaty. On the other hand, Russia has said they will not cut oil production, which is great for US. There was something related to the miltary campaign they were negative about as well. Let them continue to erect straw men. Bush will knock them down, making the press look stupid and strengthening the Pubbies chances in 2002.
28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:30 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: jackchaos
LOL! Grease the tank treads with Talibs bump!
29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:31 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Thanks BSR.
30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:33 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: SamAdams76
"I hope my faith in the current administration is not misplaced."

It is not misplaced at all. And it's not blind faith either - the Bush team has performed well above expectations almost from the beginning.

31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:36 PM PST by Paulie
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I know Putin is a schemer and ex?-KGB. Still this Putin/Bush summit looked great. I hope we get to work with the Russkies even more.
32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:36 PM PST by dennisw
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To: blam
Hannity and Colums had a DEMOCRAT from Louisiana on tonight. She was talking about how we need to keep our resolve, not quit. She even sort of chided Hannity when he said that we probably would be getting OBL soon. She said, again, we have to keep going, even after we have OBL taken care of.

Almost sureal.

33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:36 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: LibKill
I have no idea where this came from but I once read where Lee preferred troops from Alabama and Georgia.

No. I am not from either state.

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:37 PM PST by yarddog
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Past the senior moment. NBC was trying to find a downside to military tribunals for the terrorist and those assisting them. Interview Leahy of all people. Don't think they will be getting very far with this one either.
35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:37 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Balding_Eagle; Patriot1; newslady; Irma
"Hannity and Colums had a DEMOCRAT from Louisiana on tonight. She was talking about how we need to keep our resolve, not quit. She even sort of chided Hannity when he said that we probably would be getting OBL soon. She said, again, we have to keep going, even after we have OBL taken care of."

That was Mary Landrieu, we call her "brown roots." She stole her last election and we hope to defeat her this time.

36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by blam
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To: Travis McGee
All of the Al Qaidas captured should be given flying lessons, right out the side door of a Blackhawk.

Much too easy for them. Maybe off the ramp of a C-17, like the food packets. If we can drop peanut butter and jelly from 30,000 feet, surely we could drop a few Taliwackers and Al-Quesyians out the back. If they didn't die from hypoxia, they surely would become unconscious, only to revive as they reached thicker air, which would be even more of a shock than being kicked off the ramp in the first place. Oh and don't forget the porker that gets to make the trip with each of them.

37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by El Gato
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To: yarddog; 4ConservativeJustices
"No. I am not from either state."

I am from Alabama and '4conservativejustices' is from Georgia. I have 'pinged' him, he is the 'brains' on this subject. Expect a reply tomorrow.

38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by blam
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Are these signals directional? Can a matrix be set up to determine the location of the origin? Hope so.

All radio signals are directional, just not all receivers. and Yes, not only can we, I'm sure we already have.

39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by El Gato
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To: McGavin999
The beauty of the situation is now we have most of the population of Afghanistan looking for these people to reap the American reward and revenge. The locals know the land and know who belongs and who doesn't. I don't think they will be able to hide long in Afghanistan. Pakistan is another story…
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:38 PM PST by DB
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To: blam
Capture all of the Al-Qaeda leadership. Load them up in a bomber and drop them from about 1450 feet on top of the pile of rubble at Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan.
41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:39 PM PST by ClayHellion
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To: alithia
We CANNOT afford to kill these psychopaths.

ANY "captured Al-Queda" MUST BE "Questioned" 'down to the Molecular level!'"

Millions of lives may now be "at risk!"

Survivors of our "Questions" should be transferred to the Security Services of those Nations at Risk!

We are in a war for the very survival of our culture, Laws, & Beliefs!

OUR "Enemies" are psychopaths & barbarians!

For the Sake of our offspring & our Self-worth, the "Barbarians @ the Gates" MUST BE UTTERLY DESTROYED!

Doc

42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:39 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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Bush is a good man, he'll do what's right. We have to have faith.

"We cannot afford to take this approach. The terrorist networks must be exterminated and their financial backers must be dealt with as well. When all is said and done, there should be some serious redrawing of the Middle East maps. I hope my faith in the current administration is not misplaced."

43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:39 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: alithia
Mulah Omar ostensibly used a cell phone or sattelite phone for his interview with the BBC,why couldn't they track him down?

probably line of site considerations. If he made the call from a valley or gully somewhere, he could have line of site to the sattellite, but any direction finding stations would be shielded from line of sight by the moutains or sides of the gully. See Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" for an example of such a technique. Of course in Clancy's story, it's the good guys (USAF & USMC) using the sattelite phone, while the bad guys, (Soviets) might be trying to RDF on them. It would be even easier to do in Afghanistan, since it's not all that far north, compared to iceland anyway, and any geostationary sattellite would be fairly high up in the southern sky, meaning the valley could have pretty steep walls.

44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:40 PM PST by El Gato
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To: blam
All this talk yesterday about military tribunals was smokescreen. You could see it in Bush's eyes: we will kill every one of them that we can find.
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:40 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
"All this talk yesterday about military tribunals was smokescreen. You could see it in Bush's eyes: we will kill every one of them that we can find."

I had exactly the same thought when I saw and heard him out joking with Putin today.

46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:40 PM PST by blam
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That was Mary Landrieu, we call her "brown roots." She stole her last election and we hope to defeat her this time.

Wow. That leopard sure hid the spots. Sounded very conservative for the brief time she was on. That why I said it seemed sureal.

47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:41 PM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: blam
I believe Dubya on this. They can run, but they can't hide. Personally I'm confident that we'll chase them to the ends of the earth.
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:42 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Doc On The Bay
ANY "captured Al-Queda" MUST BE "Questioned" 'down to the Molecular level!'"

And THEN killed!

49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:42 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Balding_Eagle
"Wow. That leopard sure hid the spots. Sounded very conservative for the brief time she was on. That why I said it seemed sureal."

Southern Democrats are frequently more conservative than eastern Republicans. She is a big government, corrupt liberal.

50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:43 PM PST by blam
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