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A Swift Victory Foretold - God's Hand in this War
Kim Clement ^ | October 4, 2001 | Kim Clement

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited

October 4, 2001 Neotropolis - Dallas Texas

Dallas Gathering Thursday Night

The Spirit of the Lord says “ This is the best time of your life, Now that you’ve gotten on your knees and prayed, I am going to change everything for you. It’s not going to be a long drawn out war, It’s going to be a swift war that I am going to win for you.”

“ This is not going to be a drawn out thing, even though it’s been prognosticated to be a drawn out thing. You will take a while to find those that are hidden in their holes”.

“ I am not going to waste your time and your money, which is valuable to me, says the Lord. I am not going to let you waste billions and trillions of dollars so that you can find out how well it is to win the war. You’ve won wars in the past. You’ve won wars for hundreds of years. Why would you take too long to go through the same thing that happened 20 years ago?” God says, “No, it’s not going to happen. It’s going to be a swift thing. And when I do it,” says the Lord, “I am going to cut off your enemy and I am going to raise up righteousness in this nation.”

“And I’ll tell you why”, says the Sprit of the Lord, “Because there are traitors within the groups. There are traitors within the groups and they shall betray one another. America won’t have to do a thing. The Spirit of Judas has seized and gotten a hold of some of the greedy men that have perpetrated this against the United States of America. I want you to understand that they will betray each other for just a little bit of money. America won’t even have to go and root them out. And they will bring them to you. Your enemies will bow before you. Why? Because I will honor you because of your prayers to me.” says the Lord. “One shall die before he can reach this nation. But let it not be concerning to you,” says the Lord. “For there is a greater purpose that I have. For even those who planned and purposed to do this thing for they will scatter” says the Lord. “For it was not only the disciples that scattered that day, but their disciples will also scatter on that day. For there will be surrender, surrender, surrender, surrender. Four times there will be surrenders.

And because of the surrenders America shall rejoice. But then suddenly there shall be bad news. And then the people shall sway just for a moment. But fear not says the Lord, for once again there shall be an act of betrayal which will cause one and then another which is in a high place to fall and fall so strongly. Why? Because even as I stood outside of Capernaum and I said, “You that have raised yourself, Prince of Capernaum, I enter the heavens, you shall be brought down to hell” and they say to him, they saw Satan fall like lightning from the heaven.” And God says “And God says the spirits of this age that have come against my people will fall from a lofty place. And I will stand with you and rejoice,” says the Lord. “Into the early part of next year, you will see my glory,” says the Lord. “For they have said, “Will America stay on her knees? Or is this just a short lived repentance and a short lived moment?” But God says “There will yet be your enemies that will survive. And there will be those that will keep prayer in their hearts. Did I not say that I would unite every culture and every race within this country? Therefore it is not a short-lived thing, (The people’s need for God). I am not saying “the people’s need for religion”. It’s the people’s need for God. And you will not take religion and give it to them. You will take God and give it to them. For I will introduce myself to America as I did three hundred years ago. I will introduce myself as the God of salvation, the God of grace, the God of Deliverance and the God of mercy. Fear not for I am going to bring you back to the place that you have been and this shall go on for 20 to 30 years where people will rejoice because of the victory that God gave this great nation. “For America,” the Lord says, “You are once again great because I have made you great.”

Kim Prophesies:

There will be at least one person in every home in the United States of America who will come to salvation in the next 12 months. That’s a promise of the Lord!


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I kept thinking of this prophetic word all this week, since it declared that the "WAR" would be "won" very quickly and that is exactly what happened. Also note it states that the terrorists will get betrayed and that is what we are now seeing.

For all those who don't believe that God speaks to his prophets/people, just move along, nothing to see here.

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
TALI-RATS OFFER UP OSAMA FOR CASH

November 16, 2001 -- WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence agents inside Afghanistan are interviewing a handful of key Taliban defectors who are offering to sell information on the whereabouts of terror master Osama bin Laden.

Intelligence sources told The Post last night that in the last several days, as the Taliban's military infrastructure collapsed in most of Afghanistan, a number of warlords have approached the CIA and Special Forces operatives eager to cut a deal and betray bin Laden and his henchmen.

2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
The Fist of Allah has used the united power of the Western world as the instrument to smite the apostasy that has been displayed by the militant fundamentalist Muslims, who have debased and twisted the message of peace preached for all Islam by the Prophet Mohammed. Infinite Justice shall prevail.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:11 PM PST by alloysteel
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To: AmericaUnited
Praise The LORD.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:13 PM PST by Zorobabel
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To: AmericaUnited
Yes, but keep in mind that Afghanistan is only the first step. Let us hope and pray that the rest of this necessary war will go as well as it has done so far.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:15 PM PST by Cicero
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To: alloysteel
and twisted the message of peace preached for all Islam by the Prophet Mohammed

Mohammed's message to kill all jews and infidels sure was a message of peace. /sarcasm

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:17 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
"Then the LORD said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

Therefore, this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying 'No sword or famine will touch this land.' Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine."
-Jerimiah 14:14-15 (NIV)
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:18 PM PST by Time Traveller
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To: AmericaUnited
As a Christian I consider this almost blasphemous.
8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:19 PM PST by NewAmsterdam
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To: AmericaUnited; oldglory
KOOK ALERT!!!!
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:20 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: AmericaUnited
If Kim's prophesy of one person in every home coming to salvation doesn't happen by October 4th, 2002, are you going to stone her to death, as G-d's Scripture commands be done to false prophets?
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:21 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: AmericaUnited
God is on our side. He's telling us to torture those we've imprisoned to get them to tell the truth. Onward Christian witch-smiters, marching as to war, God will direct and protect us, under the shining of His star.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:24 PM PST by Don Roberts
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To: Poohbah; AmericaUnited; oldglory
"If Kim's prophesy of one person in every home coming to salvation doesn't happen by October 4th, 2002, are you going to stone her to death, as G-d's Scripture commands be done to false prophets?"

LOL! Of course not! Religious kooks can always find *excuses that work for them* for why the "prophecies" of false prophets didn't quite work out.:)

Power hungry politicians like Karl Marx and the Clintons, aren't the only ones that recognize the multitude of opportunities presented to them by "useful idiots".

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:44 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Time Traveller
And your point is???
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:53 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: NewAmsterdam
As a Christian I consider this almost blasphemous.

And why is that? Don't tell me that you are one of those "Christians" that does not believe in the Bible. How strange...

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:56 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Cernunnos; oldglory
"This is exactly the kind of post/subject that is eroding the quality of a once great website."

And that is exactly why the kooks cannot be ignored. The phrase, "silence gives consent", is true.

Kooks have the right to speak and write, but those who don't want to be tarred and feathered with that same "kook brush", had better speak up and distance themselves from this stuff when they see it posted.

Whenever I send "new people" to this web site, I always give them the "caveat" ("let the reader beware") that they will encounter some kooks here, but that they should not assume that most of the people who post here are in agreement with them.

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:57 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
So far this word, which was given on October 4th, has been very accurate. Explain that wise guy.
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:57 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Matchett-PI
Thank for the "silence equals consent" quote. That explains what I am doing when I duke it out with the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge.
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:58 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: AmericaUnited
Don't insult me. What about false prophets?
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:58 PM PST by NewAmsterdam
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To: AmericaUnited; oldglory; Poohbah
"Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

And you should know that He has **already done that** in Scripture.

BTW ..... are you going to answer the question Poohbah asked you in #10?: "If Kim's prophesy of one person in every home coming to salvation doesn't happen by October 4th, 2002, are you going to stone her to death, as G-d's Scripture commands be done to false prophets?"

That IS the bottom line, you know. Or do you? :) BTTT

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:58 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: AmericaUnited
Amazing how it wasn't published here on FR until AFTER things collapsed in Afghanistan, though.

I get very suspicious of prophecies revealed "after the fact."

21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:59 PM PST by Poohbah
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I certainly pray it's a short war but it isn't over till bin Laden's head is on a stick! Also, what about Iraq? Lot of payback is needed there.
23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:59 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Matchett-PI
And you should know that He has **already done that** in Scripture.

Sorry, the teachings that all prophecy stopped when scripture was completed is just so wrong. The evidense is just too overwhelming AGAINST that theology.

Same goes for those who say God does not perform miracles today, that ended in the early New Testement days also.

24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:00 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah, go to the website link yourself. This word was spoken to a large crowd at the Neotropolis, Dallas, Texas on October 4th, and it has been on the person's website for at least the past 6 weeks.

So much for it being "made up" after the fact.

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:01 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
The WAR has a long way to go we are just at the begining stages.
26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by ocean
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To: Poohbah
Amazing how it wasn't published here on FR until AFTER things collapsed in Afghanistan, though.

No, not exactly amazing... I posted it because it did seem to happen.

27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Thank you for taking the time to post that good word from the Lord. Very similar prophecies have come forth in our meetings as well. The Lord has been emphasizing prayer and intercession in a MAJOR way.
28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by Selara
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To: AmericaUnited; oldglory; Poohbah
It's quite "evident" that what constitutes "evidence for you" is not what would constitute "evidence" for most others.

BTW! Getting back to false prophets? Are you going to answer Poohbah's question in #10?

29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI; Poohbah
BTW ..... are you going to answer the question Poohbah asked you in #10?: "If Kim's prophesy of one person in every home coming to salvation doesn't happen by October 4th, 2002, are you going to stone her to death, as G-d's Scripture commands be done to false prophets?"

Yes, I will, as soon as you guys stone to death, as required in the Old Testament, all adulterers and homosexuals that you know of.

30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: ocean; oldglory
"The WAR has a long way to go we are just at the begining stages."

Now, now .... it's not nice to confuse the victims of cognitive dissonance more than they already are.

31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:05 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: AmericaUnited
No doubt the plate was passed after this, and all of Kim's other "prophecies", were proclaimed.

If you read all of what she (I'm assuming she's a "she") says, her prognostications are sufficiently vague enough that she has an "out" no matter what happens.

That's how false prophets cover themselves.

After they've pocketed the moolah from the saps who lap this stuff up like mother's milk.

32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:05 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: AmericaUnited
Okay, more to the point. If the prophecy at the end of your post doesn't come to pass, will you denounce her as a false prophet? The larger prophecy is too general to be terribly impressive (though this doesn't make it false), and the same predictions could (and probably have) been made by many people not claiming prophetic gifts or insight. Joseph Smith pulled the same stunt regarding the Civil War. However, this prophet goes out on a definite limb with the final statement, so are you prepared to declare her a false prophet if it doesn't come to pass? We needn't stone her, because we're not living in the theocracy of the Israelites. However, that doesn't change the test of a true prophet.
33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:05 PM PST by william clark
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To: Matchett-PI
How about responding to my #30 or does the cat now have your tongue.
34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:06 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
From http://www.kimclement.com/words/oct2001/oct28pm_2001.htm:

"The United states of America shall see a Christmas like no other Christmas it has ever had. It will be a Christmas of great celebration. It will be a where every household in this nation, even if they’ve called themselves atheist, even if they’ve called themselves agnostic. It shall be the greatest Christmas. And there shall be more salvations and more deliverances this Christmas than has ever taken place in the history as Christmas as you know it today…. Why? Because this nation will rejoice because of the victory they have attained. And God says, I will make you wealthy because there will be a surrender of oil. There will be oil that will be given to you because agreements will take place, says the Lord. And I will cause there to be an economic revival that will begin next year and shall carry you through to the year 2005. NASDAQ, NASDAQ where are you? For God says, I shall raise you up. And you shall be victorious because this nation is mine says the Lord.”

Well, let's see if it happens...

35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:06 PM PST by Sceaming_Gerbil
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To: AmericaUnited
...and Saturday's LOTTO numbers are???
36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:06 PM PST by LN2Campy
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To: AmericaUnited
Idiot
37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:06 PM PST by BamaG
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To: AmericaUnited
No, YOU are the one claiming a superior level of Godliness compared to us scoffing heathen. Set the example for us and stone her FIRST, that we might know that we are to stone the adulterers and homosexuals.
38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:08 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: AmericaUnited
I'll respond to your comment #30:

"If Kim's prophesy of one person in every home coming to salvation doesn't happen by October 4th, 2002, are you going to stone her to death, as G-d's Scripture commands be done to false prophets?"

"Yes, I will, as soon as you guys stone to death, as required in the Old Testament, all adulterers and homosexuals that you know of.

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I really don't think that with the present laws in this country, the police would allow anyone to get away with stoning either false prophets or adulterers or homosexuals, etc.

However, if the more specific prophecy at the end of the message: "There will be at least one person in every home in the United States of America who will come to salvation in the next 12 months. That’s a promise of the Lord!" doesn't come to pass, I would take that as a sure sign that she is a false prophet.

Maybe not someone to be stoned (the present law in this country won't allow it), but certainly someone to be ignored.

False prophets, making predictictions that are suppossed to be from the Lord, just give non-Christians something to make fun of Christians about, and sow seeds of doubt among impressionable Christians who are not secure in their faith.

False prophets making false prophecies do an extreme disservice to the Lord.

39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:10 PM PST by Sceaming_Gerbil
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To: Sceaming_Gerbil
"And I will cause there to be an economic revival that will begin next year and shall carry you through to the year 2005. NASDAQ, NASDAQ where are you? For God says, I shall raise you up. And you shall be victorious because this nation is mine says the Lord.”

And vice-president Jeb Bush will be elected President in 2008!

40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:14 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: AmericaUnited; oldglory
"Yes, I will, as soon as you guys stone to death, as required in the Old Testament, all adulterers and homosexuals that you know of."

So can we assume you're saying that "false prophets" are engaging in evil conduct deserving of stoning, also?

41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:21 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: AmericaUnited
And your point is???

That he's a false prophet:

Kim Clement on Salvation:
Release the Power Within!

Kim Clement is one of the most active (and most heretical) of the modern-day "prophets" setting up a Global Church. I use the word heretical because in the strict sense of that word, Kim Clement does deviate from the correct interpretation of the scriptures on the foundational elements of our faith.

On Kim Clement's own website, he denies the born-again experience of John Chapter 3. He also states that evangelists are scaring people to commit to Jesus by telling them they are going to hell, rather than opening them up to their inner potential.

He believes (as do the Gnostics) that each person is born with a hidden treasure in their spirit, which can be unlocked and developed if he/she sees the possibilities. You should read his entire article to get an understanding of his teaching as a whole, but here are some extracts:

Many have questioned my doctrine and what I believe because of my strong feeling of disgust toward the escapism teaching. [The Rapture] ...The book of Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ, not the revelation of Satan...

After an extensive study on the life of Jesus, I found that the way He reached people was to unveil their spiritual eyes to see the potential beauty that could be released if they followed Him. For example, after Jesus spoke life to Nathaniel he fell down and worshiped Him. Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God opening and angels ascending and descending hereafter. The Kingdom of God was inside of Nathaniel; therefore Jesus had unlocked the spirit of that man and given him access to the Kingdom within.

In Luke 5, ... Peter fell on his knees and repented saying, "Depart from me for I am a sinful man". Not once did Jesus mention Peter’s sin, nor did He try to coax him into following Him based on his going to Hell or being eternally damned.

I know how a sinner feels because I have been one. ... Only when I was introduced to Jesus did I become aware of the fact that I had something precious in my spirit. When I met Him, I felt good about myself. I was aware of the fact that I had to change, but what was fascinating was that I felt like I could become a new creation when I met Him. My spirit was dead unto sin, but once I was alive in Christ, I had access to the treasure within me. What is this treasure within me? The treasure within me is my pre-ordained destiny and my inheritance. This was the inheritance that Jesus granted to me at the cross, based upon my acceptance of His sacrifice.

I do not believe that you must be born again to obtain salvation. ...The Bible clearly tells us that "whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved" and "whosoever believes on Him shall have everlasting life." When Nicodemus approached Jesus, he came with a hungry heart declaring that "no one could do these signs that You do unless God is with Him". Jesus was a demonstration of dominion that no one else had, and Nicodemus was inquiring about it. Nicodemus was not asking how to be saved.

BEFORE Jesus died on the cross, He told Nicodemus, who was saved according to the law [at that time]; " Unless one is born again, he cannot SEE the KINGDOM OF GOD." Jesus was not speaking about the salvation that would come because of His sacrifice on the cross. He was referring to seeing and inheriting the Kingdom of God.

I believe that only after salvation do you qualify to see, inherit and possess the Kingdom of God, which is inside of you [his emphasis]. ...The Kingdom within is simply the domain of God demonstrated through us. There is no physical place to enter the Kingdom of God. You SEEK the Kingdom; you SEE the Kingdom; you ENTER, you POSSESS and you INHERIT.

... The sinner wants something that he does not have. To approach them on the basis of their sin and condemning them to Hell, will only increase their contempt or else it will manipulate them into making a decision in order to survive the flames of Hell. ... the way Jesus approached the sinner was through His perception of their need and the potential that was inside of them. ...

In a meeting that is packed with a prophetic people who prophesy [or unveil truth and who have vision], an unbeliever will discover that he is a treasure in God’s eyes. He will suddenly discover, and keenly be aware of the fact, that there is something beautiful that could come out of him.

I hope that I do not need to spell out why the above doctrine is heretical. Kim Clement's teachings should be avoided at all costs.

42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:23 PM PST by Time Traveller
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To: AmericaUnited
Thank you, AmericaUnited. I believe God is speaking to many of His prophets and intercessors to let us know what's REALLY going on in the Spirit. It's very encouraging. Ever get on the Elijah List? I've found much comfort and encouragement there. I won't fear what satan or man can do to us because God IS in control. Our prayers have already helped thwart many other terrorist attacks. I always pray that "no weapon formed against me will prosper," and that no evil shall befall me or no plague shall come nigh my dwelling. God's word is true and we need to press in to Him for the answers to what's going on around us today.
43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:24 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: AmericaUnited
Don't let the turkeys get you down. They are either ignorant of spiritual warfare and prophetic words or they are agnostics and unbelieving of what God is saying to the prophets and could care less.
44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:24 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Cernunnos
There are many Christians on this website who will vehemently disagree with you. Some of the posts that I've read since I came on board have been anti-Christian and even anti-American. Some of the attitudes on this discussion group are pretty negative but everyone has the freedom to say what they want. That's America!
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:25 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: NewAmsterdam
Do you go to a church that doesn't believe in prophecy or in how God is moving across this world?
46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:25 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Time Traveller
And what's that supposed to mean? Are you absolutely certain that what she posted is false?
47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:25 PM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Time Traveller
The site you pulled this from is sad! They slander and distort the clear views of anyone who does not agree with their own doctrine. To say that Kim Clement does believe in the Biblical doctrine of salvation in John 3 is a flat out distortion and lie. Clement's point is that people don't want to hear lot of judgment and condemnation heaped upon them. PLUS IT DOES NOT WORK. Jesus did not do that! He saved his harsh words for the religious hypocrites, not the unsaved masses. Only self-righteous, religious, legalistic, (typically hypocrites) think the way to preach is by heaping guilt, judgment, and condemnation on everyone.
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:26:55 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: f.Christian
I hadn't thought of that possibility: a Bush-Bush ticket.

I don't know how America would react to that. They seemed to have mixed feelings about having 2 Kennedys in the Executive branch.

49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:26:56 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Cernunnos
This is exactly the kind of post/subject that is eroding the quality of a once great website.

This was a great website when I joined a couple of years before you, and continues to be; this is a discussion forum and the only thing that WOULD erode it would be if people only posted the articles or info that you or anyone else wishing to limit or restrict the diversity of subject matter were to boss the place. I think your comment simply lays bare a prejudice against religion perhaps? I dont believe every wind of doctrine that blows through here myself, but that doesnt mean this type of post should be censored either.

50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:26:58 PM PST by Gasshog
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