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Postmodern Jihad: What Osama bin Laden learned from the Left.
The Weekly Standard ^ | 11/26/2001 | Waller R. Newell

Posted on 11/17/2001 11:34:38 AM PST by Pokey78

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1 posted on 11/17/2001 11:34:38 AM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Wooo--eeee - Waller was on fire when he did this one! My computer was smokin' as I read it....
2 posted on 11/17/2001 11:39:07 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
WOWzers!! Much to digest here!
3 posted on 11/17/2001 11:48:54 AM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Pokey78
I'm amazed that there's more of a connection between these Islamist terrorists and our good ol' leftist pals than I thought -- I thought that it was primarily the leftists' fault to begin with, but, wow!

This proves it, postmodernism is evil (as if we didn't know that already).

TG

4 posted on 11/17/2001 11:53:40 AM PST by The Grammarian
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To: Pokey78
Great paper. I don't know anything about Hiedegger, and now finally have a resean to find out more.

Marx and Lenin both believed that the communist revolution must be international in order to survive. If Al Queda truly is the first international communist regime/revolution then Lenin and Marx would most likely predict World Socialism as a result of their uprising.

Go here On Suicide by Karl Marx, to further indulge the topic of European Leftism influencing Al Queda idealogy.

5 posted on 11/17/2001 11:56:21 AM PST by ramdalesh
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To: Pokey78
Excellent. Great find.

He should consider adding Said-ian anti-Orientalism and its effects.

6 posted on 11/17/2001 12:04:04 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
Kill a commie for mommy... bad ideas are always an enemy
7 posted on 11/17/2001 12:07:23 PM PST by Lexington Green
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To: Pokey78
Good Post!
Thank You!
8 posted on 11/17/2001 12:10:26 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: anniegetyourgun
The aim of violent struggle is "giving all our people the opportunity to determine their fate." But that fate must follow the prescribed course: "We do not hide our commitment to the rule of Islam, . . . which alone guarantees justice and dignity for all and prevents any new imperialist attempt to infiltrate our country. . . .

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It's the same old shit. You gain the freedom to do anything somebody else wants you to do.

9 posted on 11/17/2001 12:10:43 PM PST by RLK
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To: Pokey78
1- WOW - "Heavily influenced by Heidegger and Sartre, Foucault was typical of postmodernist socialists in having neither concrete political aims nor the slightest interest in tangible economic grievances as motives for revolution. To him, the appeal of revolution was aesthetic and voyeuristic: "a violence, an intensity, an utterly remarkable passion." For Foucault as for Fanon, Hezbollah, and the rest down to Osama, the purpose of violence is not to relieve poverty or adjust borders. Violence is an end in itself. Foucault exalts it as "the craving, the taste, the capacity, the possibility of an absolute sacrifice." In this, he is at one with Osama's followers, who claim to love death while the Americans "love Coca-Cola." "
10 posted on 11/17/2001 12:12:07 PM PST by XBob
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To: Pokey78
Resource: Clinton's Bin Laden GATE - Mother of all Scandals
11 posted on 11/17/2001 12:12:14 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: OneidaM; Ms. AntiFeminazi
ping a ding ding
12 posted on 11/17/2001 12:13:30 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Pokey78
At the end of all of the "iltellectual" investigation, it is simple. The reasons for bin Laden's madness are Karl Marx and Mohammed, founder of Islam.
13 posted on 11/17/2001 12:16:02 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Pokey78
Great find, Poke. I was wondering why obl had the Marxist claptrap down pat. Now it's obvious why the university neomarxists are playing the part of "pacifists" again. They ARE on obl's side. They ARE seditious. They ARE traitors. Just like the "pacifists" during the Vietnam War. They only want one side "pacified." Our side.
14 posted on 11/17/2001 12:22:34 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: Pokey78
Now we see why the Left loves the Taliban. They are soulmates.
15 posted on 11/17/2001 12:24:54 PM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: Pokey78; A.J.Armitage
The Left is the Left is the Left. Whether they are traditionalist like the ayatollahs, or modernist like Mao or the French, is of secondary importance. They are united in the fundamental belief in the primacy of the collective over the individual, from which one gets the lust for violence and death worship.
16 posted on 11/17/2001 12:25:27 PM PST by annalex
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To: Pokey78
Excellent article. I have frequently thought in the last few weeks that it would not be surprising to see leftists begin to convert to Islam. It has everything they like: authoritarianism, irrationality, violence, and a heavily collectivist bent.

Interestingly enough, when the Spanish police broke up an al-Qaeda cell in Spain last week, the leader was found to be a Spaniard who had converted to Islam. His pre-Muslim background? Active in HB, the political wing of the Marxist Basque-separatist terrorist group ETA. That same day, I read about Hugo Chavez, the left wing dictator of Venezuela, praising bin Laden.

The doors between Marxism and Islam, in other words, open both ways, and I think the result is going to be an unbelievably dangerous and violent force. What makes it even worse is that several generations of American intellectuals, mentally deconstructed out of any ability to have a coherent thought, will be able to offer no leadership or resistence. (But then, I guess I really didn't expect much out of them anyway.)

Very thought provoking article, and a very good analysis.

17 posted on 11/17/2001 12:27:55 PM PST by livius
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To: Pokey78
It's a mystery to me how postmodernist intellectuals in our universities can worship people like Nietzsche, Heiddeger, Foucault, and Paul De Man, not to speak of the recent vogue for the Marquis de Sade. Ideas have consequences.
18 posted on 11/17/2001 12:37:09 PM PST by Cicero
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To: XBob
"Heavily influenced by Heidegger and Sartre, Foucault was typical of postmodernist socialists in having neither concrete political aims nor the slightest interest in tangible economic grievances as motives for revolution. To him, the appeal of revolution was aesthetic and voyeuristic: "a violence, an intensity, an utterly remarkable passion."

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This is the essential of the problem. In the old days of the political left the movement was aimed at procuging some sort of touted economic improvement.

In the last 40 years revolution has become a diffuse emotional expression of and underlying diffuse emotional condition with no specific goals, no way of negotiating to achieve those goals, and no real concrete goals to satisfy. Therfore the revolution is endless.

The present leftist political condition is much like angry little kids playing cops and robbers using real weapons instead of toy guns. They are caught up in the emotional experience of the game. University faculties are composed of bored people in comfortable positions with comfortable lack of concrete responsibility, with comfortable salaries, seeking excitement, importance, and directin by making revolution. But it's not a real knock down drag out revolution they want. It's only a revolution where opther people are not allowed to shoot back.

19 posted on 11/17/2001 12:39:26 PM PST by RLK
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To: Number_Cruncher
Yep....and Clinton was singing Binny's song not long ago...remember?
20 posted on 11/17/2001 12:40:05 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: ramdalesh
Good connect, ram....thanks!
21 posted on 11/17/2001 12:40:30 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
1968.

So the American "New Left" and the Arab "Al Qaeda" are twins separated at birth!

That makes a kind of black-hearted sense.

22 posted on 11/17/2001 12:51:44 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Pokey78
Here Pok/Everybody take a look at McArthyism, Does History Repeat Itself?

Bill Clinton. You are Surreal!

23 posted on 11/17/2001 12:52:21 PM PST by ramdalesh
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To: Pokey78; All
Roger Kimball smashes Hardt and Negri's Empire to smithereens in an article in The New Criterion, which can be found HERE.
24 posted on 11/17/2001 12:53:27 PM PST by beckett
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To: Pokey78
I like his analysis
25 posted on 11/17/2001 12:57:10 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Pokey78
Marxism and radical Islamism represents a revolt of the intellectual and cultural elite against what they perceive as a disgustingly vulgar capitalist culture. Historically, the leadership of both these movements springs, not from the poor, but from the well-to-do classes of a society.

You can think of radical Islam as Marxism with Che Guevarra's beret replaced with a turban and the beard grown a little longer.

The strange implication of this is that the front line against terrorism isn't on some distant hillside in Central Asia, but in the battle of ideas in the capitals of the world. Osama Bin Laden simply has the guts and military skill, but the ideas he carries in his head are those of the cultural elites who may find in large numbers throughout the media, the culture industry and the academe.
26 posted on 11/17/2001 1:06:05 PM PST by wretchard
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Excerpt #1: "Whereas the old international was made up of the economically oppressed, the new one would be a grab bag of the culturally alienated, "the dispossessed and the marginalized": students, feminists, environmentalists, gays, aboriginals...".

Notice that these are typical of the constituancy the DemocRATS are proud to represent .

Excerpt #2: " ...And so it is that in the latest leftist potboiler, "Empire," Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri depict the American-dominated global order as today's version of the bourgeoisie. Rising up against it is Derrida's "new international." Hardt and Negri identify Islamist terrorism as a spearhead of "the postmodern revolution" against "the new imperial order." Why? Because of "its refusal of modernity as a weapon of Euro-American hegemony." "Empire" is currently flavor of the month among American postmodernists. It is almost eerily appropriate that the book should be the joint production of an actual terrorist, currently in jail, and a professor of literature at Duke, the university that led postmodernism's conquest of American academia.

What the terrorists have in common with our armchair nihilists is a belief in the primacy of the radical will, unrestrained by traditional moral teachings such as the requirements of prudence, fairness, and reason. The terrorists seek to put this belief into action...".

"Nihilism": (1)a: "A viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless. b: A doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths.

A critical thinker will have the courage to admit the reason why professors like the one at Duke, have had a field day indoctrinating the students who come through their classrooms. The students were raised to be relativists like their parents. All of the "truths" a relativist holds to are subjective. Right and wrong are subject to the situation; "situation ethics".

"Relativism": (1)a: "A theory that knowledge is relative to to the limited nature of the mind and the conditions of knowing". b: "A view that ethical truths depend on the individuals and groups holding them".

"The Rule of Law", upon which American government is based, is only one of the "Christian worldview" founding principles that is incompatible with the relativistic worldview.

Relativists are a threat to human liberties when they are able to obtain enough power and control.

27 posted on 11/17/2001 1:30:55 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: Hugh Akston
Uh huh. N/C
28 posted on 11/17/2001 1:55:32 PM PST by Neets
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To: Pokey78
This was a subject of the Sept. 29 thread posted by FReeper Hugh Akston. It is certainly worth the read. Great stuff, keep it coming.

I have always looked at Marxism as a religion...

29 posted on 11/17/2001 2:56:35 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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This was a subject of the Sept. 29 thread posted by FReeper Hugh Akston. It is certainly worth the read. Great stuff, keep it coming.

I have always looked at Marxism as a religion...

30 posted on 11/17/2001 2:59:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Pokey78
It is this marxist-terrorist nexus speaking when bin Laden refers to the human beings killed at the World Trade Center as "soldiers of the existing order" and quotes Noam Chomsky on the number of Iraqui babies supposedly murdered by America.

Correct and excellent as the above analysis is, it misses the more direct though covert motivation and addiction of the marxist intelligensia. First, last and always their motive is power - power that they covet for themselves exclusively - power that they share with their clientele of the moment never except in theory. Theirs is an unqunchable, positive lust to dictate to everybody else how to live every aspect of their lives. To this end, in the century just ended alone, they have destroyed the lives of 73 million and show appetite for tens of millions more.

31 posted on 11/17/2001 3:07:04 PM PST by Diogenez
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To: The Grammarian
bump
32 posted on 11/17/2001 4:29:17 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: Hugh Akston
Hey toots...he's about two months behind you but what the heck??? You are my hero you know.

Did you see he touches in a round about way, if you know what you are looking for, that every 20 years resurgence that we spoke about regarding the uprising of the peacenicks?????

33 posted on 11/17/2001 5:04:56 PM PST by Neets
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To: RLK
good analysis
34 posted on 11/17/2001 9:51:16 PM PST by XBob
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To: wretchard
very well put - "The strange implication of this is that the front line against terrorism isn't on some distant hillside in Central Asia, but in the battle of ideas in the capitals of the world. Osama Bin Laden simply has the guts and military skill, but the ideas he carries in his head are those of the cultural elites who may find in large numbers throughout the media, the culture industry and the academe. "
35 posted on 11/17/2001 9:54:03 PM PST by XBob
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To: Pokey78; Justin Raimondo
A masterpiece!! And from the Weekly Standard yet!
36 posted on 11/18/2001 12:26:02 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Pokey78; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; monkeyshine; angelo...
FYI
37 posted on 11/18/2001 12:29:45 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Shermy
A deconstructionist bump.
38 posted on 11/18/2001 12:31:56 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Molly Pitcher
bump
39 posted on 11/18/2001 12:34:15 PM PST by timestax
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To: Pokey78
Derrida, meanwhile, reacted to the collapse of the Soviet Union by calling for a "new international." Whereas the old international was made up of the economically oppressed, the new one would be a grab bag of the culturally alienated, "the dispossessed and the marginalized": students, feminists, environmentalists, gays, aboriginals, all uniting to combat American-led globalization. Islamic fundamentalists were obvious candidates for inclusion.

And so it is that in the latest leftist potboiler, "Empire," Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri depict the American-dominated global order as today's version of the bourgeoisie. Rising up against it is Derrida's "new international." Hardt and Negri identify Islamist terrorism as a spearhead of "the postmodern revolution" against "the new imperial order." Why? Because of "its refusal of modernity as a weapon of Euro-American hegemony."

I've been thinking about this, I was wondering how and why radical Islam became "politically correct."

40 posted on 11/18/2001 12:52:24 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Pokey78
BUMP for later reading
41 posted on 11/18/2001 1:06:54 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: dennisw; rebdov; Yehuda
Thanks for the ping, dw. You're right, this IS a masterpiece! Evil twins: Lefties and OBL's Islam.
42 posted on 11/18/2001 1:10:18 PM PST by onyx
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To: xm177e2
I was wondering how and why radical Islam became "politically correct."

Because leftest ideology flows from Islam and its prophet. It isn't a new philosophy. It is stoneage male dominance and he who carried the biggest club ruled the tribe. It was insane then, it is worse now because lefty women who have no clue are buying into the propaganda that Islam is truly peaceful. The other side of the story is the Identity and Nations people using the insanity that is Islam to bring recruits into their *different-people* hate groups.
In short, it is politically correct because it can be a useful tool for either side, and either way, it is a lie.

43 posted on 11/18/2001 1:18:14 PM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: livius
..... the leader was found to be a Spaniard who had converted to Islam. His pre-Muslim background? Active in HB, the political wing of the Marxist Basque-separatist terrorist group ETA. That same day, I read about Hugo Chavez, the left wing dictator of Venezuela, praising bin Laden.

The doors between Marxism and Islam, in other words, open both ways .....

All of the world's terrorists are first and foremost, psychotic marxist gangsters -- and _____________________ ... fill in the blank [Irish "republican," for example] distant second.

Most, like the self-styled "i r a" have become so addicted to their criminally-murderous ways -- robbing banks, trafficking drugs, kneecapping, blowing the arms and legs off babies, little girls and boys and little old ladies -- stuff like that -- that they probably don't even remember about half of the time what they were supposed to be about in the first place! And don't care!

44 posted on 11/18/2001 1:20:27 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: dennisw
Thank you, Dennis.
45 posted on 11/18/2001 1:21:28 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: ramdalesh
Marx and Lenin both believed that the communist revolution must be international in order to survive

It that because the machine invariably collapes without new influxes of capital, labor, etc. to exploit?

46 posted on 11/18/2001 1:21:57 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Pokey78
Good analysis.
47 posted on 11/18/2001 1:27:32 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: The Right Stuff
Socialism is the theory; cannibalism is the practice.
48 posted on 11/18/2001 1:31:47 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
heh, heh. Well put!
49 posted on 11/18/2001 1:36:11 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: Pokey78
The Left has always valued "authenticity" and passion far more than it values human life, or even any specific political program.

I am reminded of that scene in Godfather 2 where the revolutionary jumps into the governor's car and detonates a bomb. Viewing this, Michael Corleone solemnly and knowingly intones that "people who are willing to die for their cause are impossible to defeat" or something similar. This, for the Left, has always been the conventional wisdom. Osama could not have avoided this message in recent lefty culture.

50 posted on 11/18/2001 1:36:26 PM PST by denydenydeny
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