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Attorney General Ashcroft Plays "Doctor" in Oregon! [Doctor assisted suicide and a new liberal site]
www.TheAngryLiberal.com ^ | Nov. 16, 2001 | The "Angry Liberal"

Posted on 11/17/2001 3:45:27 PM PST by summer

Attorney General Ashcroft Plays "Doctor" in Oregon!

Just for fun, let's say you're captured by terrorists. After a twelve-second-long trial, you are convicted of "Crimes Against (insert a religion you think is silly here)." You are sentenced to die in one of two ways: 1) quickly and painlessly, or 2) slowly and agonizingly over a period of months while your family is forced to watch. Which death would you choose? Death #1? Really? Guess what? Attorney General John "Major League" Ashcroft is working hard to take Death #1 off of our list of choices and force us to endure Death #2. With the simple issuance of a directive, Ashcroft has signaled that he will ruin physicans in Oregon who help terminally ill patients choose Death #1 under the state's Death with Dignity Act. So much for Compassionate Conservatism.

Ashcroft, former Missouri senator who lost his senate seat to a dead Democrat (Missourians figured that Mel Carnahan at room temperature was better than Ashcroft at 98.6 degrees), was quickly scooped up, along with other Republican losers around the nation, to form the perfect loser administration under presidential second-place finisher George W. Bush. After deciding that a religious fanatic would be a good choice for U.S. Attorney General, Bush's short list included Ashcroft and two others. Bush was then informed that fellow Texan David Koresh was a currently a pile of soot and the Asian community vote-magnet Shoko Asahara had said through an interpreter, "I'd sooner ride the subway," so the nod went to Ashcroft.

Now Ashcroft is taking time that could be otherwise wasted pursuing terrorists in order to pursue doctors. On November 7, Ashcroft issued a directive stating that physicians who helped their terminally-ill patients end their own lives under Oregon state law could have their licenses to distribute federally controlled drugs revoked.

Why would Ashcroft do this? This stunt violates the following Republican principles:

1) The government should stay out of people's lives.

2) If government is needed, decisions are best made at the local level, not in Washington, D.C.

3) If federal oversight is needed, it should be done via legislation and not unilaterally from another branch of government (Republicans whine about "legislating from the bench," except when deciding presidential elections, remember?).

It also violates the following American (as opposed to Republican) principles:

1) Decisions about medical treatment should be made by the patient and the doctor, not a third party.

2) People should be allowed to own their own lives.

3) Government officials should check their religious beliefs at the door when they enter their offices.

American Principle number three is certainly Ashcroft's biggest constitutional nemesis, and his opposition to it probably precipitated his actions in this case. After all, suicide is a sin to Christians, right? If God sees fit to give you an unbearable disease, who are you to argue with Him? Ashcroft' s belief in this principle appears to trump not only his vocational responsibilities, but his political affiliation as well. He is apparently a "Christian" first, a Republican second, and an Attorney General third. We ain't payin' ya for the first two, pal.

Personally, I'm a believer in assisted suicide. If death is to be soon, certain, and agonizingly painful, what better way to go than by looking God right in the eye and saying, "You can't fire me. I quit." Herein lies the rub for Ashcroft. Suicide is disrespectful to his god. Kind of like a woman who shows her face on the streets of Kandahar, right, Johnny?

A federal restraining order is currently keeping Ashcroft at arm's length in Oregon, affording the terminally ill some tangible, if short-lived relief. Imagine having to request legal relief from our own Attorney General.

Suddenly, Ed Meese doesn't seem like such a bad guy after all. . .

. . .The Angry Liberal

11/16/01


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To: anniegetyourgun
Annie, Thanks for your post #15. I appreciate it.
21 posted on 11/17/2001 4:43:24 PM PST by summer
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To: Aric2000
Aric2000, it might be helpful for all to know you are residing in Oregon. (And, it might not be.) But, I wanted to mention it. And, thank you so very much for the information you are providing here on this thread.
22 posted on 11/17/2001 4:45:09 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
In addition to other very good points you make, I think this is an outstanding point you make here:

Most people who commit suicide are depressed, and treating the depression is the most compassionate thing we can do to help them over the hump
23 posted on 11/17/2001 4:49:46 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
Really appreciate your entire post #19. You gave me a lot to think about. Thank you so much, AP.
24 posted on 11/17/2001 4:51:03 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
Your scenarios really don't mean anything. It should be a persons choice. NO ONE elses!!

If a person has less then 6 months to live, is competent to make the decision, and feels that dying in pain and helpless in a bed is NOT the way they want to go, WHO ARE YOU to tell them they are wrong? It is NONE of yours or anyone elses business!!

The state of Oregon voters passed the law, and now you "conservatives", lovers of individual and states rights want a federal agency to stop it.

hypocrites, you are all hypocrites!!! Conservatives my eye!!
25 posted on 11/17/2001 4:53:45 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: anniegetyourgun
A little side note about CA doctors prescribing pot for pain control.

The CA law was sold to the public as a compassionate solution to intractable pain. It was never any such thing. If the promoters really wanted to help those in pain, they would have attempted to get pot treated like other controlled substances. i.e., prescribed by a doctor and dispensed by a pharmacist.

It was nothing more than a backdoor attempt to legalize pot little by little.

BTW, before someone jumps on me for misrepresenting Oregon's health plan, let me say that I don't live there, and I probably should have kept my mouth shut. :-) I probably got at least part of my comments about the plan wrong. I'm sure the good folks here will let me know where I am in error. :^)

Thanking you all in advance. :-/

26 posted on 11/17/2001 4:56:26 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aric2000
Sorry about that, but if you are going to call yourself a conservative, at least be consistent....

The state voted it in, NO WHERE is it unconstitutional, the feds need to mind their own business. If you personally do not like it, then do not move here, visit here or buy anything from Oregon, pretty simple if you ask me!!
27 posted on 11/17/2001 4:58:46 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: summer
"1) The government should stay out of people's lives."

That is a Republican principle? You could have fooled me. That kind of nanny-state intervention has been a Republican strong suit. "They" only sream about it when a Democrat does it.

2) If government is needed, decisions are best made at the local level, not in Washington, D.C.

Again, that is NOT a Republican principle. George Bush even wants to federalize private schools fer cry'n out loud.

3) If federal oversight is needed, it should be done via legislation and not unilaterally from another branch of government (Republicans whine about "legislating from the bench," except when deciding presidential elections, remember?).

So Republicans (along with Democrats) are blatant hypocrites. Tell me something I don't already know.

It also violates the following American (as opposed to Republican) principles:

1) Decisions about medical treatment should be made by the patient and the doctor, not a third party.

Actually, the AMERICAN principle is that decisions concerning one's body should be made by that person ALONE. If he/she wishes to consult a doctor, that again should be THIER CHOICE.

2) People should be allowed to own their own lives.

Two words: Drug War.

3) Government officials should check their religious beliefs at the door when they enter their offices.

Two words: Rainbow Farm

One thing is ABSOLUTELY, and without question a truism -- Ashcroft IS NOT, I REPEAT IS NOT a Christian. He is just a run-of-the-mill Talibon zealot thug. He gives true Christians a very bad name.

28 posted on 11/17/2001 4:59:37 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Aric2000
You are absolutely right. It is not any of my business if someone wants to commit suicide, although I think the compassionate thing to do is to treat their depression and help them with their pain problems so that they can live out their last days in relative comfort.

That being said, I also don't think that it is in the best interests of society to license doctors to kill people. If people want to commit suicide, they can do it on their own.

29 posted on 11/17/2001 5:00:04 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aric2000
Wow. A very passionate rebuttal, on your post #25. I'm going back and forth so much here, my head feels like I am watching a world cup tennis match on this thread. Your serve.
30 posted on 11/17/2001 5:04:19 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
"A little side note about CA doctors prescribing pot for pain control."

They want pot -- let them drink alcohol, eh?

Once pot is "controlled" as you suggest, the price would sky-rocket, and yet another method of controlling pain would be out of reach for those without insurance, and would give even MORE ammunition to the Socialized Medicine crowd.

My father died of cancer. It was a slow death. He smoked pot. It helped. That's all I know. It worked for him. You would have me believe that my father is a criminal. He was a Godly and righteous man.

BTW: The pill form of THC (the active ingredient of marijuana) depends on the person's ability to keep down what they ingest -- an IMPOSSIBILITY for those with accute nausea. Smoking IS the best option. THC pills also costs $10.00 per pill -- making a month's supply cost well over $600.00 (I know because I paid for them). Marijuana cost me $20.00 a quarter, and was more effective. I'd do it again in a heart-beat -- screw the government and their "compassion"!

31 posted on 11/17/2001 5:10:57 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: summer
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32 posted on 11/17/2001 5:11:29 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: JRadcliffe
Well! Your post #28 really threw me for a loop. With all due respect to you and others on this forum, and I am not trying to turn this thread into a different discussion -- are you saying you believe that abortion is the "American principle"? Just curious -- as that's what I concluded from your comments here:

1) Decisions about medical treatment should be made by the patient and the doctor, not a third party.

Actually, the AMERICAN principle is that decisions concerning one's body should be made by that person ALONE. If he/she wishes to consult a doctor, that again should be THEIR CHOICE.

33 posted on 11/17/2001 5:14:40 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
If people want to commit suicide, they can do it on their own.

Now, is that what the "Hemlock Society" is all about? I don't know much about it.
34 posted on 11/17/2001 5:16:16 PM PST by summer
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To: Aric2000
"hypocrites, you are all hypocrites!!! Conservatives my eye!!"

I am glad I found this site. If for no other reason, it has taught me that Republicans are just Socialists posing as Conservatives, while Democrats are Socialists posing as Liberals.

They are so much alike, it is scary!

35 posted on 11/17/2001 5:16:54 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: JRadcliffe
So, if the pill form doesn't work, why not let the pharmacist dispense it in smokable form? The cost is another matter that can be solved without making drugs legal and readily available to anyone.

I am not a libertarian. I am a coservative.

36 posted on 11/17/2001 5:17:22 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: summer
"are you saying you believe that abortion is the "American principle"? Just curious -- as that's what I concluded from your comments here:"

I am glad you asked that question. No, abortion is NOT a right. It is murder.

I support the Bill of Rights. The foundation of ALL other rights, is predicated on the right to life.

37 posted on 11/17/2001 5:19:25 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: JRadcliffe
Serious physical medical problems in my family have caused me to have very close contact with certain doctors at times in my life, and even the most conservative of them have told me there are very important medicinal benefits to be gained by smoking pot for certain people who are sick.
38 posted on 11/17/2001 5:20:15 PM PST by summer
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To: Aunt Polgara
Re your post #32. Thanks for the info. I will check it out.
39 posted on 11/17/2001 5:21:23 PM PST by summer
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To: JRadcliffe
Re your post #35 -- for the record, I am a former Dem and now an independent. I lean to the right on some issues, and to the left on others. Sometimes I am undecided. Like here.
40 posted on 11/17/2001 5:22:28 PM PST by summer
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