Attorney General Ashcroft Plays "Doctor" in Oregon! [Doctor assisted suicide and a new liberal site]

www.TheAngryLiberal.com ^ | Nov. 16, 2001 | The "Angry Liberal"

[Aunt Polgara]

And just how would this be done? More government? The pills cost less than 5 cents to produce. They are sold anywhere from 6-10 dollars EACH. You are advocating price controls. Price controls are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. (Besides the fact that they have never worked from a historical perspective)

Nope, talking about competition and insurance.

California had a system of distributiuon, but that low-life Ashcroft sent in his storm troopers to shut them down. (Gee we must have won the War on Terrorism if he could spare that many people to shut down these distribution centers).

Huh? I may be having a senior moment, but it seems to me that the feds have been going after the medical marijuana crowd here in CA since long before Bush became president. In fact, I just did a quick google search and found a story about a 1996 lawsuit against the Reno justice dept over medical marijuana.

[JRadcliffe]

"it still ropes the medical profession into the killing..."

No it doesn't. The doctor can refus,e and the patient can then choose to go to a doctor who will.

[anniegetyourgun]

Thereby putting the medical profession in the business of prescribing killing doses. Assisted suicide isn't healthcare. There isn't anything keeping someone who wants to off themselves from doing just that.

[JRadcliffe]

"I may be having a senior moment, but it seems to me that the feds have been going after the medical marijuana crowd here in CA since long before Bush became president. In fact, I just did a quick google search and found a story about a 1996 lawsuit against the Reno justice dept over medical marijuana."

I would not say that you are having a Senior Moment. I'd say you are having selective memory recall for the benefit of Republicans. In any event, this is not an attack on Bush, per se. I'd feel the same way about ANY policitian of ANY political party engaging in such UNCONSTITUTIONAL acts.

I was, in fact, relating an actual event which recently (last week) occurred. I am well aware the Reno was a communist slime ball.

[JRadcliffe]

"Thereby putting the medical profession in the business of prescribing killing doses."

That is certainly a stretch. It doe not put the ENTIRE medical establishment in the business of perscribing killing doses. It give doctors the OPTION to do so under very limited circumstances.

Assisted suicide isn't healthcare."

Have you ever watch someone die slowly and painfully? I have. My father's doctor warned me that there would come a point at which NO AMOUNT of pain medication would relieve my father distress. It was PAINFUL, and I was giving him hopped up doses of morphine almost every 15 minutes!

Until you have experienced or witnessed it yourself, you cannot speak with authority on this matter. Again, it is a matter of choice. I do not take kindly to ignorance rapped in "Compassion" or some delusional moral high ground.

[anniegetyourgun]

By the way, Oregon's suicide rate is now 42 percent higher than the nation's and their suicide rate for those 75 or older is 63 percent higher. When you promote death through government provision, you get more of it. I don't want government-approved suicide in this country anymore than I want government-approved condom distribution to teens or needles for junkies.

[anniegetyourgun]

That's exactly why there have been such great strides in palliative care in this country and why we need the Pain Relief Promotion Act. The answer isn't government assisted suicide.

[JRadcliffe]

"Nope, talking about competition and insurance. "

Are you talking about the kind of competition that made the generic form of THC cost $10.00 a pill? It was cheaper than the name-brand, but that was little comfort to me or my wallet.

[summer]

Thanks for your post #66. More for me to consider there...

[JRadcliffe]

"That's exactly why there have been such great strides in palliative care in this country and why we need the Pain Relief Promotion Act."

Did you even read my post? There came a point at which no amount of medication relieved my father's pain. AND I was giving him just as much as I could without killing him!

[Aric2000]

No, you just wish to FORCE your morality on everyone else!! This is why the constitution is written the way it was, to protect the majority from the morals of a minority.

The MAJORITY of Oregonians VOTED for Death with dignity, it is NONE of your business. It is YOUR business in your own state, but NOT in Oregon, what happens in OREGON is OUR Business, SO BUTT OUT!!!

[Aric2000]

I feel for you, I REALLY do, it breaks my heart EVERY time I hear such a story, but it was your fathers decision, if he lived in Oregon that is, otherwise he did NOT have that option.

If I was in that type of condition, I would certainly not want to put my family through such hardship, and I sure as heck wouldn't want to go through it. I have that choice here in Oregon, and to have people tell me that they want to take that choice away, even though it IS constitutional, and an individual choice, just pisses me off!!

Your morality is yours, if you think that Death with dignity is wrong, THEN DON'T DO IT, BUT, do not force your morality on me, it is MY choice, and to have that option is another way for doctors to show the compassion they must feel for patients that are terminal.

Lord knows that I would be VERY thankful to my doctor for allowing me that option!!

I am glad that you support it, and feel sick about those that would force their morality on others through the federal government.

[JRadcliffe]

"This is why the constitution is written the way it was, to protect the majority from the morals of a minority."

Well, actually, the founding fathers had the minority in mind. That is to say, the Bill of Rights was written to protect the minority of one (a.k.a. THE INDIVIDUAL) from the force of the majority. This is also known as mob rule.

It is sad to say, but MOB RULE is all the rage in this country now days.

[Aric2000]

You are absolutely correct!! didn't make myself very clear there did I? Thanks for that, I appreciate it!!

[anniegetyourgun]

No, it's federal law and it's being enforced. Oregon (or CA) can't opt out of whatever federal law it deems disagreeable by passing an initiative. Your issue is with the federal law. I suggest you work toward changing that.

[JRadcliffe]

"By the way, Oregon's suicide rate is now 42 percent higher...

Please cite your reference.

I had read one time that Washington State -- west of the mountains -- had a much higher suicide rate than the national average. There was credible evidence linking that fact to the amount of rain fall each year. Evidently sun shine is important to a person's mental health. This may explain why there are so many crazies in Seattle! ;-)

[JRadcliffe]

The feds have absolutely no constitutional authority, per the 9th and 10th ammendments, concerning this matter. Unconstitutional laws were made to be broken. I say screw the feds. ANY TRUE conservative would place the Constitution ABOVE federal laws, any day of the week.

[JRadcliffe]

"I feel for you, I REALLY do..."

I appreciate it. Caring for my dying parents was an honor, and one I would gladly suffer again.

[athiestwithagun]

Exactly what I mean. The liberal obsession with multiple layers of law. Change the law at one level and the socialists find another one they can throw at us. No respect for the Tenth Amendment which, since you seem to have forgotten, is part of the US Constitution -- the highest law of the land.

[Aric2000]

And the federal law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

Not only that, but we actually got a waiver from the Justice Dept. Also, a federal Judge just put a restraining order on Ashcroft, stating that he cannot do anything until the case is heard in a federal court. WE ARE GOING AFTER THE LAW, but we wouldn't have had to if Ashcroft had kept his word and STAYED OUT OF IT!!

The feds don't like it when a state pushes for it's rights, and Oregon is going to PUSH hard!!

Also, there was a judge, I cannot remember his name, that stated if a law was passed that was unconstitutional, that it was a citizens right to ignore that law. Because if it was unconstitutional, it was unenforcable!!