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MUSLIM CLERIC INSISTS 20 'SUITCASE NUKES' IN U.S.
News Max.com ^ | Monday, November 19, 2001 GMT | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 11/18/2001 1:38:32 PM PST by codebreaker

A leading Muslim cleric Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA), insists bin Ladens network has bought more than 20 nuclear warheads carried in suitcases.

In 1999 Kabbani first warned the U.S. State Department of bin Laden's impending terrorism.

He told the U.S. Government bin Laden was training suicide bombers in Afghanistan ready to move to any part of the world.

Kabbani said the nuclear weapons, sometimes referred to as "suitcase bombs", were sold by the Russian mafia.


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KEYWORDS: alqaedanukes; jihadinamerica; suitcasenukes
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Clear out the universities..
1 posted on 11/18/2001 1:38:32 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
And his point is?
2 posted on 11/18/2001 1:41:26 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: codebreaker
I'd like to know how he knows this.
3 posted on 11/18/2001 1:42:06 PM PST by Zorobabel
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To: codebreaker
A leading Muslim cleric Shaykh Hisham Kabbani...

Does he post on Free Republic under the screen name Fusion?

4 posted on 11/18/2001 1:42:14 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: codebreaker
Barbara Streisand.
5 posted on 11/18/2001 1:42:43 PM PST by b4its2late
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To: codebreaker
Full story follows

Muslim Moderate Kabbani Firm on Terrorist Nuclear Threat

Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com
Monday, Nov. 19, 2001
Shavkh Hisham Kabbani, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA), stands by and renews his 1999 warning that brainwashed Islamic extremists have infiltrated mosques, Muslim student and community groups, and have bought more than 20 nuclear warheads carried in suitcases.

In his infamous January 1999 address to the U.S. Department of State, Kabbani cautioned officials about imminent danger to America posed by nuclear-armed Islamic extremists. He further described 5,000 suicide bombers being trained by bin Laden in Afghanistan ready to move to any part of the world.

In a post-Sept. 11 pronouncement, ISCA said recently: "Shavkh Hisham Kabbani warned of the dangers of mass terrorism to American cities, and he was brushed aside as a dangerous alarmist. Muslim organizations are no doubt beginning to regret their treatment of him.”

Part of that strident alarm sounded by Kabbani in 1999: "We want to tell people to be careful, that something major might hit quickly because they [Islamic extremists] were able to buy more than 20 atomic nuclear heads from some of the mafia in the ex-Soviet Union ...

"Through the universities, there will be the most danger. If the nuclear atomic warheads reach these universities, you don’t know what these students are going to do, because their way of thinking is brainwashed, limited and narrow-minded.”

Kabbani, an American citizen of Lebanese descent, holds a degree in Islamic jurisprudence, which authorizes him to give legal rulings. He has written several papers and reports on Jihad, the history and evolution of extremism, and radical Islamic groups.

His stock has risen considerably since Sept. 11. He has been appearing regularly on TV and doing high-level briefings. Last month he briefed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff on Uzbekistan.

ISCA, which features the entirety of the 1999 speech on its Web site as a sort of Gettysburg Address, regularly culls the news for any and all clippings that vindicate or corroborate Kabbani’s dire warnings.

A recent case in point: the State Department’s rigorous new screening of Arab and Muslim men seeking student visas. More obvious: Osama bin Laden’s recent boast that he controls chemical and nuclear weapons.

Hallmarked by a long flowing beard, robe and headdress, Kabanni is a heavyset man with intense eyes set in a friendly face that is often smiling. He admits being hurt by the alienation he has suffered since 1999 at the hands of Muslim groups, including Council on American Islamic Relations and Muslim Students Association. At one point he received FBI protection.

However, years after his controversial warning speech, Kabbani’s resolve remains, and he continues to speak out in ways sometimes unpopular with some fellow Muslims. An example is his recent plea to Muslims to inform on those who might have any knowledge of extremist cells and activities that would help investigators:

"I urge all our members of the Islamic Supreme Council of America and many Muslims, that I know in the United States and abroad, to come with every tip they have, with every information that they have, in order to tell the different agencies about it, and inform them as soon as possible, in order to avoid any harassment for the Muslim community.”

An under-fire Kabbani explained in 1999 exactly what he meant when he told the State Department that 80% of American mosques had been taken over by extremists. His point, he said, was that a "few extremists” were taking over leadership posts, despite a "majority of moderate Muslims,” thus "influencing 80% of the mosques.”

Today, he sticks even closer to his guns and adds embellishing data: Kabanni visited 114 mosques in the United States. ‘‘Ninety of them were mostly exposed, and I say exposed, to extreme or radical ideology,’’ he said.

Kibbani bases his exposure conclusion on speeches, board members and materials published. One tell-tale sign of an extremist mosque, said Kabanni, was an unhealthy focus on the Palestinian struggle.

When not embroiled in the never-ending fallout from his speech, Kabanni fights what he likes to style his personal "holy war" or "jihad.” Following ancient teachings, he divides jihad into four kinds: "jihad by the heart, jihad by the tongue, jihad by the hand and jihad by the sword.”

Kibanni’s jihad by the tongue: "Removing all misconceptions and stereotypes in clarifying the image of Islam held by non-Muslims, building a trusting relationship and working with them in ways that accord with their way of thinking, are all primary forms of jihad.”

He added: "Islam doesn’t teach terrorism, or allow you to kill anyone. Islam tells you to toss a flower on your enemy in order to bring him to your side, not to fight with him.”

Kabbani wants to be a voice against terrorism and ideological extremists who use Muslims in America as a vehicle for exploiting foreign political causes.

All this is tough on a quiet scholar who typically goes into seclusion for 40 days each year. "When I was younger, I used to do it for six or nine months at a stretch. That's training your spiritual power and your energy.”

6 posted on 11/18/2001 1:43:49 PM PST by captain11
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To: Zorobabel
My question is the same, if this guy was under FBI protection at one time, wouldn't he know the potential carriers for these strikes?
7 posted on 11/18/2001 1:44:08 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
>MUSLIM CLERIC INSISTS 20 'SUITCASE NUKES' IN U.S.

All twenty in Los Angeles! Please oh please, oh please, please, please, please!!!!!!

Mark W.

8 posted on 11/18/2001 1:44:25 PM PST by MarkWar
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To: codebreaker

Shayk (your bootie) Hisham Kabbani

9 posted on 11/18/2001 1:44:35 PM PST by blam
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To: codebreaker
I have read a number of times that they are useless without the correct codes and that it is nearly impossible to remove the plutonium or uranium and turn them into a new weapon.

Does anyone know the whole story?

10 posted on 11/18/2001 1:45:05 PM PST by bond7
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To: denydenydeny
Ok, the title says there are 2 0'suitcase' nukes' in the US, but the body of the post says bin Laden has purchased 20, not that they're in the US. There's a difference. I don't beleive he has any of this stuff. If he did, why would he be trying to build nuclear weapons? Why go to all that trouble if you have ready-made ones?
11 posted on 11/18/2001 1:45:21 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: codebreaker
Has anybody checked out the L.A. Times piece regarding bin Laden's purhase of a U.S. AIR FORCE JET??? Scary!!! Is posted on Drudge.
12 posted on 11/18/2001 1:45:26 PM PST by Faxlady
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To: denydenydeny; Fusion
Does he post on Free Republic under the screen name Fusion?

He does sound like one of our own tin-folists. LOL

13 posted on 11/18/2001 1:45:31 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Zorobabel
I'd like to know how he knows this.

Yes, he and all his associates should be under the heaviest investigation and questioning, with capital charges filed against them at any hint of of lack of cooperation.
14 posted on 11/18/2001 1:46:29 PM PST by SupplySider
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To: MarkWar
"All twenty in Los Angeles! Please oh please, oh please, please, please, please!!!!!!"

My son lives in LA. (I know you didn't mean it though.)

15 posted on 11/18/2001 1:49:12 PM PST by blam
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To: codebreaker
Whew, thank heavens it's only (the unreliable) NewsMax!
16 posted on 11/18/2001 1:50:00 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Faxlady
Well, if it's posted on Drudge, 95% chance it's not at all true.
17 posted on 11/18/2001 1:50:10 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: bond7
Right, the electronics are worthless after a few years unless repaired so detonation is out of the question.(that was why Osama needed the 12 retired Parkistan nuke workers)

Could these be manufactured into some sort of 'dirty bomb' with radiation?

18 posted on 11/18/2001 1:50:21 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: blam
Right and they have the knowledge to use them LOL Codes etc
20 posted on 11/18/2001 1:50:40 PM PST by scooby321
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To: codebreaker
I hope someone in the FBI is taking this seriously and following up on it.
21 posted on 11/18/2001 1:50:54 PM PST by FITZ
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To: codebreaker
sounds to me that we need to arrest this guy and detain him and his followers as material witnesses.
22 posted on 11/18/2001 1:51:00 PM PST by mlocher
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To: Trust but Verify
"Why go to all that trouble if you have ready-made ones?"

I'm guessing all the things that were found were from a class room.

23 posted on 11/18/2001 1:51:06 PM PST by blam
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To: bond7
Now, we know that the FBI has been told that the 5000 Muslims in America they want to interview would not talk, that they are too frightened...so you have come up with something that is going to make them more afraid of the terrorists they are protecting.

If they are told the terrorists might have nukes, then they might be more willing to tell what they know.

Call it wishful thinking.

24 posted on 11/18/2001 1:51:48 PM PST by mostlyundecided
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To: MarkWar
Engage brain before opening mouth. Jet Propulsion Labs, Caltech, and a large defense contingent in LA.
25 posted on 11/18/2001 1:52:11 PM PST by captain11
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To: codebreaker
Has anyone ever seen someone from Afghanistan carry a suit case?
26 posted on 11/18/2001 1:52:31 PM PST by JIM O
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To: JoeEveryman
"If there were 20 suitcase nukes in the good ole' USA they would pick up signatures on Interspectral Thermal Imaging satellites equipped with GammaCams....In addition, local agencies would pick up the signatures with radiation detection pagers...."

Yup.....and I read somewhere that they are about to wear the streets of DC out running around with some small radiation monitors.

27 posted on 11/18/2001 1:54:06 PM PST by blam
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To: JoeEveryman
Could be pick up the 'dirty bombs' with Thermal Imaging and Radiation Pagers or is there some kind of a shield to conceal it.

That warning on FOX about us being on the highest alert since the Cuban Missile Crisis I think might have been referring to a sitation such as this.

28 posted on 11/18/2001 1:54:12 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: blam
>My son lives in LA. (I know you didn't mean it though.)

I instantly and officially apologize to ALL FREEPERS who live in LA and all FREEPERS who have family in LA.

I'm sorry.

I was, you know, making a _real bad joke_ about the "entertainment" business being headquartered there and all that horrible lot... (I should have given my typing more thought, though.)

Mark W.

29 posted on 11/18/2001 1:55:07 PM PST by MarkWar
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To: codebreaker
A leading Muslim cleric Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA), insists bin Ladens network has bought more than 20 nuclear warheads carried in suitcases.

And detonating them will DESTROY the Middle East, not America.

30 posted on 11/18/2001 1:56:10 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: captain11
Yeah, but I'm sure he was thinking more of Hollywood, Barbara Streisand, and the UCLA football team. Just kidding, we all love the PRK here on FR.
31 posted on 11/18/2001 1:56:58 PM PST by RobFromGa
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To: blam
Don't we have some sort of chopper to monitor radiation levels in big cities, I doubt these clowns could conceal 20 of these and not show up on a scanner somewhere..
32 posted on 11/18/2001 1:57:10 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
propaganda...
33 posted on 11/18/2001 1:57:16 PM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: blam
My son lives in LA

So does my son --- and he's hard core REPUBLICAN. :-)

34 posted on 11/18/2001 1:58:53 PM PST by Gracey
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To: JIM O
As I recall from my childhood, the guy on the left had a suitcase.


35 posted on 11/18/2001 1:59:24 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Centurion2000
It's TIME to 'torture' Ames and Hanssen!!
36 posted on 11/18/2001 1:59:42 PM PST by maestro
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Good Find HLL!
37 posted on 11/18/2001 2:01:34 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: MarkWar
"I instantly and officially apologize to ALL FREEPERS who live in LA and all FREEPERS who have family in LA."

No Problem. I've just about quit saying, "Nuke'm all."lol

38 posted on 11/18/2001 2:01:59 PM PST by blam
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To: Zorobabel
It would seem that Cheney agrees with the possiblity of a nuclear.
39 posted on 11/18/2001 2:02:24 PM PST by Jack Barbara
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To: MarkWar
as a resident of Los Angeles, thanks. You sounded like some matryr crazed mullah demanding the destruction of the evil satan's Disneyland.
41 posted on 11/18/2001 2:04:04 PM PST by majic12
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To: Centurion2000
I mean really, if this were true they would have set one off by now, warning us to lay of the bombing of Osama and gang, don't you think?
42 posted on 11/18/2001 2:04:13 PM PST by Andyman
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To: codebreaker
If they had them, they wudda used them. Got Nukes? Why bother with those planes then?

If they do use them, the entire mid East is nuclear toast. Kill em all.

43 posted on 11/18/2001 2:04:14 PM PST by garyhope
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To: bond7
What kills the "suitcase" models fast is the tritium needed to augment such a small mass of fissionable material. Tritium decays into helium-3 with a 12-year half-life, which means that after a few months there is a significant helium-3 contamination. Helium-3 eats up the neutrons needed to start a chain reaction. No periodic replenishment with new tritium, no big boom.
46 posted on 11/18/2001 2:05:22 PM PST by steve-b
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To: codebreaker
If ya got em, smoke em or shut up!
47 posted on 11/18/2001 2:05:36 PM PST by garyhope
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To: steve-b
Could the retired Pakastani scientists get their hands on the stuff..doubtful
48 posted on 11/18/2001 2:08:12 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: nomasmojarras
That would explain the Taliban Presdient shooting off his mouth last week talking about the destruction of America while his forces are surrendering.
49 posted on 11/18/2001 2:09:25 PM PST by codebreaker
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To: steve-b
I can hardly wait to drop these facts into a casual conversation with my smarty pants friends. They'll think "He is just so damn smart". Betcha I get a lot of the babes with those facts. My hero.
50 posted on 11/18/2001 2:10:28 PM PST by garyhope
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