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Graham stands by comments on Islam
Charlotte Observer ^ | November 19, 2001 | Ken Garfield

Posted on 11/19/2001 11:54:59 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

But `evil and wicked' quote doesn't cancel Christian love, he says

While saying he is called to love people regardless of their faith, evangelist Franklin Graham on Sunday wouldn't back away from his recent statement on a national news program that Islam "is a very evil and wicked religion."

In a prepared statement released to The Observer through a spokesman, Graham said his Samaritan's Purse ministry in Boone will continue providing millions of dollars in aid to Muslims in need around the world. But he did not take back the controversial comments aired Friday night on "NBC Nightly News" and repeated on cable stations.

Those pieces were based on an interview Graham gave last month near Wilkesboro, at the dedication of a chapel in his parents' name, when he said: "We're not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion."

In his prepared statement Sunday, Graham said: "It is not my calling to analyze Islam or any other religions, though I recognize that all religions have differences. In the past, I have expressed my concerns about the teachings of Islam regarding the treatment of women and the killing of non-Muslims or infidels."

Graham, 49, does not plan to comment publicly on the issue, and only will release Sunday's statement in response to questions.

His response comes a day after his ministry's Operation Christmas Child began processing 1 million shoe boxes in Charlotte for needy children overseas - including thousands destined for largely Muslim nations.

His comments were challenged by former Charlottean Ali Akber, who helped organize a meeting between local Jews and Muslims after Sept. 11, before he relocated to Maryland.

"That's spreading hatred," said Akber. "It is the same God. We just don't worship the same way. We all believe in God and charity and worshipping and not doing any evil."

Franklin Graham's views run counter to those expressed on Sept. 17 by President Bush, who called Islam "a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world."

It also stands in contrast to the message delivered by Graham's father at the National Day of Prayer and Remembrance service at the National Cathedral in Washington, on Sept. 14. "We come together today to affirm our conviction that God cares for us, whatever our ethnic, religious or political background may be," Billy Graham preached. "The Bible says that he is `the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles.'"


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1 posted on 11/19/2001 11:54:59 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"That's spreading hatred"

And flying airplanes into buildings and whipping women for showing an ankle and enslaving children ISN'T spreading hatred. The poor man is gagging on a gnat and swallowing a camel

2 posted on 11/19/2001 11:58:19 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The difference is between Islam and Islamism. How many muslims know the difference?
3 posted on 11/19/2001 12:00:51 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Oh and jailing people for handing out Bibles. I wonder if that is hatred. And celebrating the bombing of innocent people at a restaurant. Is that hatred? And spreading rumors that Israel was the perpetrator of the WTC terrorist attack. Is that hatred? Is it hatred to disseminate information that the Holocaust never happened? How about promising terrorists 70 virgins and little boys to deflower? Hatred or love?
4 posted on 11/19/2001 12:01:47 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Finally, someone who is willing to speak the truth instead of being politically correct. I'm behind you brother Graham!!!!!!!!!!!
5 posted on 11/19/2001 12:02:19 PM PST by IssuesOriented
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The press spends more time attacking and brow-beating an evangelical Christian than they do concerning themselves with what they should - exposing Islam and the persecution and death this Islamicism is causing to Christians around the world - Sudan, Nigeria, Algeria, Philippines, Indonesia, Pakistan, Lebanon, etc. etc. Moreover, Graham had one of his Samaritin's Purse places which distribute food to the poor bombed in Sudan BY THE MOSLEM regime there who have been busy enslaving and killing Christians. The man knows what he is talking about.
6 posted on 11/19/2001 12:03:33 PM PST by Lent
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To: Stand Watch Listen
What annoys me is the media makes almost more noise about what Graham, Robertson and Falwell say about Islam and the war than the acts which have been committed in the name of Islam.
7 posted on 11/19/2001 12:05:38 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: AppyPappy
Oh and jailing people for handing out Bibles. I wonder if that is hatred.

You know, one has to wonder....if these Muslims actually believe that we all worship the same God, then why is Christian witnessing (and sometimes, simply Christian worship or bible study) illegal, punishable by imprisonment or death, in most Islamic countries?

I'd love to hear these guys scramble to answer that question, somehow I think they'd be singing a different tune all of a sudden to justify their hatred of Christianity and Judaism...

-penny

8 posted on 11/19/2001 12:05:42 PM PST by Penny1
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I don't know how "evil and wicked" Islam is or isn't...but it sure is a different philosophy from the Judeo/Christianity tenents which founded this nation. I.e. and succinctly, as I understand it, Christianity allows stoning adulterers ONLY if the stoner is completely without sin (which is no one); Judaism allows stoning adulterers ONLY to the absolute extent of Levitican Law and ONLY by those proven to be injured of the act (which is no one); in Islam the stoning of adulterers is compulsary by anyone who can pick up a stone.
9 posted on 11/19/2001 12:10:06 PM PST by meandog
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"That's spreading hatred," said Akber. "It is the same God. We just don't worship the same way. We all believe in God and charity and worshipping and not doing any evil."

The moderate Muslims have the responsibility and the duty to stand up and oppose the acts committed in the name of Allah. Very few have done so. The longer the "moderate" Muslims are silent, the more it looks like Graham is right.

BTW, it is NOT the same God...

10 posted on 11/19/2001 12:10:23 PM PST by EternalHope
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To: Penny1
Don't particularly like the Grahams ...they owe my daughter a year's wages for working on their horse farm in Waynesboro.....but I totally agree with Graham on his statements and his right to make them without reprisals. I think he is showing courage on this issue.
11 posted on 11/19/2001 12:11:35 PM PST by chemainus
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To: AppyPappy
"It is the same God. We just don't worship the same way. We all believe in God and charity and worshipping and not doing any evil."

I guess if a Christian wants to believe that the God he or she worships is not the same as the god of islam, who are the Muslem's to dispute this?

I, for one, agree with Graham... I see no way to reconcile the obvious differences between the two faiths.

Christ taught love, their guy tought hate.

12 posted on 11/19/2001 12:11:55 PM PST by babygene
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To: AppyPappy
The problem is that you can't label a religion evil just because SOME of it's followers commit evil acts in it's name. Otherwise you could easily call Christianity evil for the evil actions of some of it's followers. And don't forget all the atrocities committed by the Catholic church through-out much of it's history, all in the name of god. That doesn't make Catholicism evil does it?
13 posted on 11/19/2001 12:13:29 PM PST by moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing
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To: Penny1
Christians have been dying all over the world at the hands of muslims. Radical or not, the muslim world has not convinced me that they are peace-loving, Christian-loving people. The Rev is just tellin' it like it is. When Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Indonesea....etc, etc stop persecuting other religions like there infidels, then maybe, MAYBE I will be willing to listen.
14 posted on 11/19/2001 12:14:11 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Good for him! It's about time somebody said the right thing instead of trying to be nauseatingly PC. Maybe others will be encouraged to stand firm on this issue.
15 posted on 11/19/2001 12:15:33 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: IssuesOriented
Finally, someone who is willing to speak the truth instead of being politically correct. I'm behind you brother Graham!!!!!!!!!!!

Me Too!!

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

'Nuff Said.

16 posted on 11/19/2001 12:16:07 PM PST by rapture-me
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To: chemainus
Why would your daughter work for a year without getting paid? Was there a verbal agreement that she would be paid after a year?
17 posted on 11/19/2001 12:18:59 PM PST by theartfuldodger
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To: moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing
Catholicism at the time of the Inquisition WAS evil because it supported the Inquisition. Your logic is akin to saying "Nazism isn't bad just because some Nazis did bad things". No, Nazism supported those bad things.
18 posted on 11/19/2001 12:19:06 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing
atrocities committed by the Catholic church

What atrocities did the Catholic Church commit?

19 posted on 11/19/2001 12:19:08 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: AppyPappy
Catholicism at the time of the Inquisition WAS evil

Certain Catholics were evil. Not the teachings of the Church. There's a difference.

20 posted on 11/19/2001 12:20:53 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: ThomasMore
True or false: The Catholic Church hierarchy supported the Inquisition.

From what I remember, they put people to death for opposing the church. I somehow doubt that was a rogue element working within the church.

21 posted on 11/19/2001 12:22:44 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Stand Watch Listen; *Religion
Religion List
22 posted on 11/19/2001 12:23:09 PM PST by meridia
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To: Victoria Delsoul
ping
23 posted on 11/19/2001 12:25:27 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Stand Watch Listen
For all intents and purposes, Islam is an absolutist religion whose devotion requires the subjugation of all others which are considered not only enemies of the true faith, but a real threat. To us that would appear horribly persecutory, but to Muslims, such "devotion" to Islam and Allah is both expected and admired as a reinforcement of doctrine and belief, for if Allah is not supreme, then he cannot be the true God of man and Islam cannot be the true faith of mankind either. To judge Muslim beliefs by the same standards we view contemporary religion in our own culture is incredibly misguided as, though it may sound like a cliche, they are not like us. The sooner we figure this out the better for us.
25 posted on 11/19/2001 12:29:22 PM PST by rebelsoldier
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Graham is right to a degree. Yeah, Muslims do worship the same God we do. However, their perspective of Him is far from what Christians or Jews have of Him.

While Catholic, Protestant and Jewish faiths have become more and more tolerant and ecumenical with time, Islam has, if anything become more exclusive, more intolerant, and more aggressive. Nor was Islam EVER a pacificistic faith. The actions of Christian martyrs in the Colosseum would have been totally unfathomable to the followers of the Mad Prophet.

Our political leaders, ESPECIALLY that wimp Colin Powell should stop putting their heads in the sand. Islam is a violent, dangerous faith which seeks to convert all other religious practitioners by the sword or any other method, like it or not. It most definitely is not a "peaceful" religion. Ask the Copts, ask the Bahai's, ask the Zoroastrians, ask the Sudanese or Nigerian Christians, ask the Philippine Christians, ask the Hindus and Sikhs. They have all experienced the "peace" of Islam - first hand.

26 posted on 11/19/2001 12:30:44 PM PST by ZULU
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To: Stand Watch Listen
BUMP for Franklin Graham. I respect him and his father, Franklin Graham does know what he's talking about. I know Billy Graham tried to seem moderate at the Prayer Service but I think he will completely agree with his son.
27 posted on 11/19/2001 12:31:03 PM PST by Dengar01
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To: AppyPappy
Remember that bishoprics were mixed into politics. And the actual numbers of killings are far less than popular trash writers would have us believe. Both the Protestants and Catholics were wrong; both had their inquisitions; and both are stained with the blood of people who just didn't believe or accept the faith the way they did. And that truly was a shame and tragedy. But no way can this be put on the same level as terrorism today. And the religion itself did not promote the killing of "infidels".
28 posted on 11/19/2001 12:31:23 PM PST by ThomasMore
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To: meandog
The Judeo/Christian faith does not have in their teachings to look to murder those who believe otherwise; while the Koran stipulates as a mandate that their followers must kill everyone that is not a believer according to Muslim beliefs. Their no-god is an entity hatred. Islamic people only rejoice when they kill or oppress, the fruit of their spirit stinketh. Those muslims thinking that their religion is fine are nominal believers who have not read into the instructions of their doctrines.
29 posted on 11/19/2001 12:33:17 PM PST by Hila
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To: moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing
The problem is that you can't label a religion evil just because SOME of it's followers commit evil acts in it's name.

Your above statement is true. Followers of a religion often do NOT reflect its actual teachings. They are often hypocrites. But that should not disqualify the teachings of the religion's founder.

However that is probably not the reason why Graham labels Islam as being an evil religion. You must look at its actual teachings. Nowhere did Christ say that we must kill people who do not believe in Him. He said just the opposite: we must love our enemies. However, Islam teaches that they are supposed to kill infidels (Christians and Jews). That is an evil religious teaching, and makes it an evil religion.

30 posted on 11/19/2001 12:35:27 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: AppyPappy
From what I remember, they put people to death for opposing the church. I somehow doubt that was a rogue element working within the church.

Just how old a Pappy are you ? :=)

31 posted on 11/19/2001 12:35:51 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: ThomasMore
If you had been opposed to the church during that time, you would have considered it evil because of its teachings and practices. It's the same with Islam. You cannot separate the two. If the Catholic and Protestant churches were still practicing the Inquisition today, you would have no choice but to label it "evil".

The way you end that association is to change the face of the religion. The Christians did that. The Muslims seem reluctant to do so, even in the 21st century.

32 posted on 11/19/2001 12:35:59 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: AmericaUnited
You have heard of Nostradamus? I used to mow his parent's lawn.
33 posted on 11/19/2001 12:37:04 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Amazing. This man has some real stones.
34 posted on 11/19/2001 12:38:27 PM PST by Fulbright
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To: sirgawain
"We're not attacking Islam but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God. He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion."

Wonderful! I'm glad Franklin Graham didn't back away from his comments. Yes indeed, Islam is an evil and wicked religion.

35 posted on 11/19/2001 12:38:40 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: EternalHope
You are right EternalHope: The One True God's name is YAHWEH and His Son is the only Redeemer. The false "god" of Islam is allah, the moon god. GOD is love, the other thing is hatred.
36 posted on 11/19/2001 12:38:48 PM PST by Hila
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Go for it Franklin!
37 posted on 11/19/2001 12:40:54 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: ZULU
"Yeah, Muslims do worship the same God we do."

What evidence do you have that it's the same God? Because they say so? I find it insulting for them even to call such a being, who's profit rapes an eight year old, god.

38 posted on 11/19/2001 12:48:09 PM PST by babygene
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To: wirestripper
Franklin Graham is a true man of God and a plain speaking truth teller.

Which means of course that he'll have to be marginalized if not totally discredited.

40 posted on 11/19/2001 12:53:02 PM PST by KJMorgan
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That's spreading hatred," said Akber. "It is the same God. We just don't worship the same way. We all believe in God and charity and worshipping and not doing any evil." Yes. ALL Muslims believe in not doing any evil. That's why so many Americans were killed Sept 11. Christ taught that any religion not accepting Him as the son of God was a false religion....Graham is a Christian. He believes in the teachings of Christ. How is this spreading hatred?
41 posted on 11/19/2001 12:55:06 PM PST by Bellanorma
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To: KJMorgan
I'd like to think we have the PC buttheads on the run right now. Let's not give them any time to get their wind back.
42 posted on 11/19/2001 1:02:54 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Lent
The press spends more time attacking and brow-beating an evangelical Christian than they do

. . . showing pictures of the planes flying into the WTC;
. . . showing pictures of the crumpled, emaciated bodies at the bottom of the WTC;
. . . showing people diving to their deaths from the top of the WTC;
. . . showing the thousands of people in tears because a family member was murdered at the Pentagon, WTC, or PA;
. . . showing the number of Hertz's driving down to cemetaries with coffins in their bellies; and
. . . condemning the evil people who did this to us!

43 posted on 11/19/2001 1:03:33 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Exactly right!
44 posted on 11/19/2001 1:05:29 PM PST by Lent
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Re: #39 My total misreading of Franklin Graham's views on Islam brings forth my apology to all Freepers who were offended by my erroneous, misinformed and destructive outburst but especially to Franklin Graham!!

No message beyond the above request for forgiveness by all!!

45 posted on 11/19/2001 1:13:56 PM PST by VOYAGER
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To: ZULU
I used to believe that Muslems Christians and Jews all worshipped the same God. Then I realized that the reason I believed that was because Muslims presented their faith that way.

However, when one actually looks at the Qu'ran, one immediately sees the huge disparities between their God and the Judeo-Christian God. Franklin Graham is right in that sense, then, when he draws that distinction. I believe he's absolutely right--the Islamic faith is not built around the Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. I'm not sure whether Muslims actually believe they worship the same God, or whether they simply say that in order to be more acceptable to Christians. But regardless, I'm convinced that the God they serve is not the Christian God at all, but a false god...an idol, if you will...

While they believe in the God of Abraham, from what I've seen they would not swear allegiance to the God of Isaac and Jacob, but rather the God of Ishmael. But God identifies Himself in the Old Testament as the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."

And that is the beginning of the dividing line between the different religions.

-penny

46 posted on 11/19/2001 1:16:07 PM PST by Penny1
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To: VOYAGER
LOL, no wonder I was so confused...

Thanks for straightening that out...I was a little worried there for a moment... ;)

-penny

47 posted on 11/19/2001 1:18:56 PM PST by Penny1
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Franklin Graham is something our culture cannot stand: a principled, genuine Christian who will not water down his beliefs to please the crowd.

I will not be surprised if in a few years he will be thrown to the lions in a stadium packed with roaring pagans. (See the life of Paul the Apostle, John the Baptist, Abel, etc).

The success of Harry Potter shows that this nation is rapidly descending into the grips of Satanic darkness. (Witchcraft if for KIDS, now!)

48 posted on 11/19/2001 1:21:14 PM PST by BenR2
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To: AppyPappy
Absolutely, Appy, and you still don't see them rushing forward to defend America. You know Fox News would be finding them if there many to be found. You mostly see the guys that make you want to go out and but a gun and plenty of ammo.
49 posted on 11/19/2001 1:22:09 PM PST by mumbo
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To: All
"It is the same God. We just don't worship the same way. We all believe in God and charity and worshipping and not doing any evil."

Uh, NO, in fact "it" is not the "same" God. I've yet to see Christians fly planes into buildings, beat, burn, and shoot women, beat men for having a "too short beard" and most appaling to me: female butchering (aka circumcision). Islam is a mental illness.
50 posted on 11/19/2001 1:24:04 PM PST by GussiedUp
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