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The Final Word? New documents raise questions about news media’s findings on the 2000 pres. election
Newsweek via MSNBC.com ^ | 11/19/01 | Michael Isikoff

Posted on 11/19/2001 12:32:17 PM PST by Jean S

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Nov. 19 — After spending nearly $1 million, a consortium of big news organizations last week rendered what it once thought would be final word on last year’s bitterly contested Florida recount.

THE DECISION: a split verdict.

To the chagrin of Democratic partisans, the consortium proclaimed Bush still would have won the apparently limited statewide recount underway last December 9 even if the U.S. Supreme Court had not swooped in and stopped it. But if all disputed ballots had been manually counted—something, ironically, neither side had even asked for—Al Gore could have eked out a narrow victory.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2000algore; floridarecount; soreloserman

1 posted on 11/19/2001 12:32:18 PM PST by Jean S
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2 posted on 11/19/2001 12:35:15 PM PST by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
OH MY! ROFLMAO! Under the desk laughing at that one!!!!
3 posted on 11/19/2001 12:36:52 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: JeanS
Buried deep in the files of the mammoth Florida litigation, Newsweek has uncovered hastily scribbled faxed notes written by Terry Lewis, the plain-speaking, mystery-novel writing state judge in charge of the Florida recount, that potentially changes the calculations rather substantially

15 yard penalty to Isikoff for abuse of verb tense to try and make an irrelvant point seem relevant.

4 posted on 11/19/2001 12:37:02 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: JeanS
Just how many times have these ballots been handled now? And they're still thought of as to be accurate?

No clowns need reply.

5 posted on 11/19/2001 12:37:40 PM PST by SGCOS
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To: JeanS
Except for pathetic creatures like Isikoff, this story is "deader than a wooly mammoth's nuts".

GORE LOST!
GET A LIFE, LOSERS!

6 posted on 11/19/2001 12:39:51 PM PST by Yankee
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To: JeanS
BUMP
7 posted on 11/19/2001 12:41:38 PM PST by Aurelius
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To: JeanS
Turning my megaphone volume to 11: SHUT UP!!! SHUT! UP! JUST SHUT...UP!!! IT'S OVER YOU FREAKIN' LOSERS!!!!!
8 posted on 11/19/2001 12:47:21 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: SGCOS
I still don't understand why we should feel that an election is only properly counted if we include illegally cast votes? Am I the only one who sees the logic of this?
9 posted on 11/19/2001 12:47:28 PM PST by Keith
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To: dirtboy
15 yard penalty to Isikoff for abuse of verb tense to try and make an irrelvant point seem relevant.

However, 5 yards given back for a spelling error within a grammar critique ;)

10 posted on 11/19/2001 12:47:29 PM PST by Roger the Shrubber
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To: JeanS
The only thing this Florida fiasco proved was that people who are too stupid to vote....voted for ALGORE.
11 posted on 11/19/2001 12:48:27 PM PST by AuntB
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To: JeanS
Then there is another small matter overlooked by the consortium: the numbers don’t add up. - - - - - In all, the NORC counters were able to inspect 175,010 disputed ballots that the counties identified as having gone uncounted or rejected. But those 175,010 uncounted votes are 1,436 ballots less than the 176,446 ballots that, the news organizations independently determined, had originally been reported by the counties as rejected or uncounted on election night.

So there is a discrepancy of 1436 ballots, a larger number than any of the winning margins dreamed up by the consortium. What a farce.

12 posted on 11/19/2001 12:49:10 PM PST by FairWitness
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To: Keith
I still don't understand why we should feel that an election is only properly counted if we include illegally cast votes? Am I the only one who sees the logic of this?

Actually, I think you've hit on the difference between the use of "feelings" and "logic".

13 posted on 11/19/2001 12:49:15 PM PST by Roger the Shrubber
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To: FairWitness
You forget the 1200 military ballots THAT WERE ILLEGALLY REJECTED by direct order by Gore's lawyers, and NEVER COUNTED IN ANY "media" survey.

These ballots ARE NOT included in these "media NORC" counts either as 1000 votes for Bush, and 200 (approximately) for Gore. (Assuming their count is what the military surveys' at that revealed.)

14 posted on 11/19/2001 12:56:17 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE
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To: Yankee
GORE LOST! GET A LIFE, LOSERS!

Here's the thing ... these folks just keep coming back time and time again to plant a seed of doubt into people's minds. They know that Bush will be a formidable opponent in the 2004 elections and they're willing to do anything to undercut him politically -- even if it's something that is largely a moot issue.
15 posted on 11/19/2001 12:56:34 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: JeanS
The media would have done a better service to the TRUTH to explain to a generation of clueless Americans WHY Bush won the election. It is the perception of many a person on the street that the election was really won by Gore, because he did win the popular vote, but they simply do not understand the concept of an electoral college and the procedures in place to arbitrate disputes.
16 posted on 11/19/2001 1:04:44 PM PST by Aliska
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To: AuntB
What are these crying libs going to do after Bush gets 83% of the votes in the next election? The first smart thing Gore has done is getting himself a real job....before the next elections.
17 posted on 11/19/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by Winfield
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18 posted on 11/19/2001 1:32:16 PM PST by SerpentDove
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To: Bush2000
They're keeping this alive for 04, that's all. You know how they are, It will lead the news casts every night for months and they will try to give people a chance to set the record straight, but I think it will have the opposite effect. Kind of like the guy who has lived with a gal without benefit of clergy, discovers he loves her and decides to "make an honest woman of her." The voters will get a chance to make an honest pres out him.(not that he's not) That's how it will be with Bush, all those sorry they voted for Gore will get a do over. HA HA.

regards

19 posted on 11/19/2001 1:32:43 PM PST by okiedust
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To: SerpentDove
LOL
20 posted on 11/19/2001 1:38:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: SerpentDove
The hairball say, "go with Huck, Go with Huck."

regards

21 posted on 11/19/2001 1:54:26 PM PST by okiedust
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To: JeanS
West Palm Beach is selling off evidence of Dem. fraud on E-bay. The 12 Votomatic counties all did statistically much higher than probable for Gore among his Dem. constituents (even in Republican counties), and statistically much lower for GW among his Republican constituents statewide. The numbers are available you curious news hounds. Why not a story on how easy it is to stuff a Votomatic? Then maybe check out the absentee ballots that were repeatedly requested but never arrived at Christian, conservative Universities (over 600 at Liberty U. alone) and to the troops risking their lives overseas.

Then maybe the press could actually expose the Motor Voter scandal in Milwaukee where they've discovered 10s of thousands of invalid addresses on ballots for Gore. Bush would have won Wisconsin. Then let's see these "fair" journalists investigate most every other major city accross the US for invalid addresses, dead voters, double votes...it's not cute or clever anymore. It's unprofessional, ethically wrong and close to treasonous to continue this farce.

22 posted on 11/19/2001 1:57:51 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: JeanS
The (core) dems will never ever get over this. But why should they? In the end though, it doesn't matter. Bush has the stage, no matter how he got it. It only matters what he does with the stage now that he has it. The war has given him a chance to match the highest level of presidential leadership. If he lives up to the challenge, the last election won't matter.
23 posted on 11/19/2001 2:41:01 PM PST by leftiesareloonie
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To: JeanS
O.K., democRATs. Repeat after me,

PRESIDENT GEORGE WALKER BUSH

Well done. Now sit down.

24 posted on 11/19/2001 3:37:56 PM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: JeanS
In a related story, the U.S. Olympic Committee has once again appealed the decision giving the gold medal in Men's Basketball to the team from the Soviet Union during the 1972 Summer Games in Munich.

"Since the country no longer exists, we don't feel they should still be awarded the gold medal," said the USOC President. "Certain players were disenfranchised and the game was declared over while there was still time on the clock."

25 posted on 11/19/2001 4:20:56 PM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: JeanS
The final word is it was a statistical dead heat (assuming no help to Gore from the elections officials of urban precincts) within the margin of error no matter how many times the ballots are counted which was broken in the manner determined by Florida law.

Last I heard, we're a government of laws not men...But what the hell do I know.

26 posted on 11/19/2001 4:52:54 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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