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'Peace Camps' at IU, elsewhere aren't packing folks in
indplsstar ^ | 112001 | George Stuteville

Posted on 11/20/2001 4:44:03 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

The circumstances of Sept. 11 attacks make gatherings less popular than in past.

BLOOMINGTON, Ind. -- A "peace camp" of 13 tents that popped up on the Indiana University campus 44 days ago is possibly the largest and most-enduring peace demonstration in the state since America declared war on terrorism.

But the colorful bivouac of tents that squat beneath rippling American flags and banners is mostly for image.

Only one activist has lived in one of the tents continuously since they were set up Oct. 7, after a rally by Bloomington Peace Action Coalition in protest of American bombing in Afghanistan. About four or five other activists stay overnight occasionally. About six more take shifts during the day.

And almost no one visits.

Peace activists in Bloomington and elsewhere know their message is a tough sell in the current national climate.

Across the country, there have been about 150 rallies, demonstrations and actions on campuses in 36 states, according to the activist group Wage Peace Now.

Probably fewer than 20,000 have turned out for the various peace demonstrations in U.S. cities.

In Indiana, there have been sporadic peace vigils and rallies among traditional religious pacifists in the Quaker and Mennonite communities in Richmond and Manchester. In Indianapolis, the Peace and Justice Center stages a small daily vigil outside the Minton-Capehart Federal Building.

On Hoosier campuses, a few small demonstrations at Ball State, DePauw, Purdue and Notre Dame have been organized.

Likewise, at IU, activists suspected their point of view would be difficult to promote when the country seethed with anger over the Sept. 11 attacks, said Peter Drake, an IU graduate student who helped organize the camp.

But "we felt like we had a responsibility to tell people there is another side -- another way. This camp is a way of challenging people, but not necessarily confronting them in a way that makes them uncomfortable," Drake said.

"It's like no one wants to really look at the violence we are creating in Afghanistan."

IU freshman Benton Huard must look at the camp each day on his way to class. He doesn't like it.

"It's absurd. It's pointless," said Huard, 24, "If they want to camp, let them camp in Afghanistan."

Huard, who just completed a four-year Air Force enlistment in the Persian Gulf, said the activists don't know the "real world."

"Everyone wants peace, but what we are doing is necessary if we are going to have the way of life that we know. I hope they understand that," he said.

A longtime Hoosier peace activist, Bill Breeden, said the horror of the attacks has blunted the traditional messages of nonviolence.

In 1991, Breeden, a Unitarian minister, was instrumental in forming a tent camp on the IU campus to protest the Persian Gulf War.

For 47 days, dozens of protestors lived in the camp and staged anti-war actions that led to 99 arrests by Bloomington police.

Breeden, 52, said the demands of his ministry prevent him from occupying a tent in the current camp. But he has visited.

"I have a lot of respect for them. It is a lot harder for them to be where they are as promoters of peace in this political and cultural environment now," Breeden said.

Peace movements during the Persian Gulf War were helped by the belief by many that the war was about oil.

But national outrage and grief trumps skepticism, Breeden said.

"The image of those burning towers at the World Trade Center is imprinted for life in people's minds," Breeden said. "It will be tough getting a message past that."

Howard Zinn, one of the America's most well-known peace advocates, is trying.

Zinn, 78, was on the front lines of the anti-war movement during Vietnam. He's a historian and college professor who became disgusted by violence as a bombardier during World War II.

Just four days after the World Trade Towers attacks, Zinn warned in an article in The Progressive magazine that America should resist terror with economic clout rather than military might.

"With our bombs, we have had to terrorize hundreds of thousands of Afghans to find bin Laden. How many people really want to respond to such a reality?" Zinn asked.

Back at Peace Camp in Bloomington, Sean Bagley, the only activist continuously on site, would like some response.

"You know, I see flags and signs of patriotism everywhere now where I never saw them before. But if you want to see something truly patriotic, look here at our little camp," he said.

"We are practicing freedom. We could start by talking about that."

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Sean Bagley, who goes by the road name Steps to Freedom, has been at the Dunn Meadow peace "camp" since just after the bombing of Afghanistan began last month. The circumstances of Sept. 11 attacks make these gatherings less popular than in the past. (Staff Photo / Robert Scheer)

1 posted on 11/20/2001 4:44:03 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
Across the country, there have been about 150 rallies, demonstrations and actions on campuses in 36 states, according to the activist group Wage Peace Now.

Probably fewer than 20,000 have turned out for the various peace demonstrations in U.S. cities.

Good...and those 20,000 must be countered at every appearance

2 posted on 11/20/2001 4:48:43 AM PST by Neets
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To: InvisibleChurch
Dorks.
Kent State II would be a nice Thanksgiving present...
3 posted on 11/20/2001 4:49:01 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: Viet Vet in Augusta GA
I went by and checked it out last weekend, (11-18-01) nowhere near 20K, more like 150-200. And most of those are older homeless hippie types. The students (maybe 75-100 of them) will go back to their dorms as soon as it turns cold, which will be tues. in B-town. I dont know any gen Xer's that have the balls to camp in a midwestern winter....
4 posted on 11/20/2001 5:10:51 AM PST by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Capt.YankeeMike
Heh, as a Gen-Xer, I do have the balls to camp in my midwestern winters...I'm just smart enough to not do it in the company of smelly old hippie leftovers :)
5 posted on 11/20/2001 5:31:42 AM PST by egarvue
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To: Capt.YankeeMike
I was on the Bloomington campus back in 1990 when these jokers took Dunn Meadow away from the enjoyment of the student population and turned it into filthy Dung Meadow. It was an eyesore then and I'm sure what they have there is one now. It was amazing: they pitch their tents, stay out for a night (maybe two while the sterno held out) and cry, "It's cold outside. This is no fun." Then they scuttle off to live and "study" somewhere else-- leaving their crap and a smattering of drifters to watch over it in their wake.

The arrests made at that time, IIRC, were for their attempt to take over some buildings. The administration let them have their fun for a day or so, then routed them out.

Soon after the collapse of the Iraqis, the adminsitration decalred a day for them to clear off or their junk would be carried off. Once the decent stuff was picked over by the owners and homeless, the rest went to a landfill.

There was another infamous sqautters village near Bllomington in the Hoosier National Forest. The inhabitants who ruined their stretch of parkland had the nerve to call it "Lothlorien" and declare their own mad King and Queen of the Elves. Photos of this place showed two-or-three rolling wrecks, a few squares miles of plastic tarps acting as tents and shelters, and just plain junk and detritis everywhere. Anyone else remember this place?
6 posted on 11/20/2001 5:39:46 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: InvisibleChurch
Bill Breeden was arrested during the Iran Contra days for stealing street signs renaming a street in Odon Indiana for John Poindexter (Odon is Poindexter's hometown). He's just an old hippie.
7 posted on 11/20/2001 5:40:30 AM PST by wordsofearnest
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To: InvisibleChurch
I suggest rounding up all the mentally ill homeless in the state, and dropping them off to inhabit the 'peace village.'
8 posted on 11/20/2001 1:50:55 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I suggest rounding up all the mentally ill homeless in the state, and dropping them off to inhabit the 'peace village.'

Lol that's actually not a bad idea. The peace people would get to claim they had more advocates, and the homeless would get free food/housing (paid for by the peace people, of course)...

9 posted on 11/20/2001 1:57:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: BradyLS
Dunn Meadow is no more of a 'meadow' than my front yard is...sooner or later, the kids that want to play frisbee will knock down these hovels when all of the protesters go over to Dunkirk Ave. for their herbal tea!-)

(I am an old member of the quarry swimming team, BTW)

10 posted on 11/20/2001 2:04:09 PM PST by beowolf
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To: InvisibleChurch
The traitors should be educated!!
11 posted on 11/20/2001 2:09:17 PM PST by mbb bill
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To: beowolf
They are going to freeze their rears off tonight. It is supposed to get down in the 20's. Ha!

My daughter the art major at Herron in Indianapolis, and the softest touch for every sad story she hears, came over this weekend and told me that she had been thinking, and I shouldn't laugh at her, but those sanctions were stupid because they didn't work, so we need to invade Iraq and get rid of Saddam.

Then she asked me who thought of the sanctions, and when I told her the UN, she said that the UN was as bad as the United Way!!!

In conclusion, the peaceniks are fighting a losing battle, judging from my dauguhter. I am proud of her, because she came to those conclusions all by herself!!

12 posted on 11/20/2001 2:13:00 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
LOL...I was kicked out of Herron in '75 for having a 'bad attitude' that was instilled by the US Army (had to use that GI Bill). Imagine that!

It's actually a good art school, just a lousy part of town. I spent many a wasted afternoons in the Varsity Lounge (16th & Penn.) arguing art theory with my friends. Now, I raise chickens, chase mules, fix fence lines, etc...ah, to be young, again!-)

13 posted on 11/20/2001 2:22:30 PM PST by beowolf
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To: InvisibleChurch
"It's like no one wants to really look at the violence we are creating in Afghanistan."

Oh, on the contrary, my little nudnik - it's the most riveting sight on television. Watching the B-52s send the Taliban our love is pass-the-popcorn material, not hide-your-eyes material. Nobody is flinching from this one - the only people stupid enough to think that bombing a building in a country that can kick the Taliban's butts up through their turbans was a good idea were the Arabs and the peace creeps. And they still don't get it!

14 posted on 11/20/2001 2:28:50 PM PST by Billthedrill
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