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In the above, I meant to say, and if you believe in God, would you care to debate your idea of just exactly when, precisely, a fetus becomes a real baby in your mind? Abortion is not about the growing life, and that is what is wrong with abortion. It is about selfish, irresponsible women and men who look for convenience and kill to maintain the same.

would you care to debate your idea of just exactly when, precisely, a fetus becomes a real baby in your mind

I have done so above.

Would you care to specify just exactly when in a pregnancy you would honor a miscarried baby with the human trappings of a name, funeral, burial, tombstone, etc?

When I see the majority of the anti-abortionist crowd treating their two week old miscarried fetuses like humans then maybe I will start to believe that you actually believe what you preach.

It is about selfish, irresponsible women and men who look for convenience and kill to maintain the same.

In all human enterprise, people kill other people for convenience, and claim just purpose, or present the "unavoidable" excuse, or just turn a blind eye to another's fatal circumstance. We generally do not talk candidly about the whole realm of who gets to live and fulfill their potential and who gets to die for want of sufficient nurture from fellow humans.

It seems bogus to me for one to focus on this area of human activity to draw a line. How about the overt acts of war we humans regularly justify? How about the routine denial of our surplus substance to hundreds of millions around the world, while watching them starve to death? How about the squalor that some children is this very country suffer?

Unless pro-lifer's live like Mother Teresa, I believe their agenda is more of a control issue. And I am anti-abortion! But it is quite clear to me that many will die in furtherance of my convenience.