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Early Outspoken Opponents of Abortion - all women
Susan B Anthony Web Site ^

Posted on 11/23/2001 9:19:59 PM PST by AgThorn


The namesake of the Susan B. Anthony List was an outspoken opponent of abortion, referring to it as "child murder." Anthony's colleagues were united with her in this position.

"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; but oh, thrice guilty is he who...drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!" -The Revolution, 1869
Susan B. Anthony
"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton in a letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873. Recorded in Howe's diary at Harvard University Library.
  Elizabeth Cady Stanton
"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."
-Alice Paul is the author of the original Equal Rights Amendment (1923)
Alice Paul
"Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never think of murdering a child before its birth." -Victoria Woodhull was America's first female presidential candidate. Wheeling, West Virginia Evening Standard November 17, 1875
  Victoria Woodhull

Since Roe V. Wade, there have been 28 million
abortions in this country.

This is an atrocity. We believe a crucial part to ending abortion is to have women speaking out AGAINST abortion. The media and the pro-abortion lobby have created the perception that ALL women are "pro-choice," and that abortion is a "Women's Issue." This is ridiculous.

Poll after poll shows that women are more pro-life than "pro-choice."

Illegal or "Stricter Limits"
for all age groups
Illegal or "Stricter Limits"
for 18-29 year old women
January 1998 Nationwide New York Times/CBS News Poll
— 63% of women felt abortion should be illegal or available only under "stricter limits." Of 18-29 year old women, the percentage was 70%.




Illegal in all cases or with "stricter limits"
Legal at any time
Legal in 1st Trimester
Legal in 2nd trimester
Undecided
Bacelice & Associates June 1998— 54% of women felt abortion should be illegal in ALL cases or only allowed for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. Women who felt abortion should be legal at any time 10%, legal in the 1st Trimester 25%, legal in the 2nd Trimester 5%.





Gallup 1998 - 23% of women say abortion should be
legal in all circumstances. (Down from 36% in 1995)


We all know women are uniquely connected to this issue. The pro-abortion forces have used this to their advantage. We must counter their efforts and have women in public office who will stand up on the floors of the House and Senate and say enough is enough, women want abortion stopped.

Currently there are 72 women in Congress and only 7 of these women are pro-life, that is less than 10%! When bills come before Congress to restrict abortions, radical pro-abortion Congresswomen and Senators dominate the debate. This is just not acceptable. We are determined to change this.

In addition, we need women to act as a grassroots lobbying force and as messengers contacting Congress and state legislatures.

When a woman speaks out against abortion, her voice is listened to — she can make a great difference.



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I sourced a few great pages from the Susan B Anthony mailing list above. If you consider yourself to be pro-life, this group needs you on their mailing list, and for you to consider them on your donations list. Since I am NOT female, I am somewhat handicapped in my ability to speak out on this topic as much as I would like to. As women (my wife included) have the strongest voice in this topic, the Susan B Anthony group is focused from that strength and its history, and even us men can support them.

Men and women both need to continue to be vocal in this front. What can you do?


1 - If you haven't already done so, please add your signature to the petition for the unborn (and ask others to do likewise)
These little ones need our voice to speak out for them. (original "Freepers" thread)

2 - Sign the specific Susan B Anthony petition against partial birth abortions. Even the most active "pro-choicers" that I know try to insist that this "isn't a problem". Arm yourself with the facts, and you will do well to disarm their un-truths as to what horror is going on with these late term "terminations." 2 - Visit the Susan B Anthony "Action Alert List" and use it to contact your Government Representatives on "Life" issues.

3 - Help to get out the "facts" to your friends and relatives. Here is a great website that SBA offers to assist you.

4 - Support , as well as Concerned Women for America (another great RIGHT "Women's" rights organisation) by getting on their mailing lists, donating, being active in your community and get others to do likewise.

The unborn need your voice .... they have no other.

1 posted on 11/23/2001 9:19:59 PM PST by AgThorn
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My last point got its links a little garbled .. let me try again:

4 - Support Susan B. Anthony, as well as Concerned Women for America (another great RIGHT "Women's" rights organisation) by getting on their mailing lists, donating, being active in your community and get others to do likewise.

The unborn need your voice .... they have no other.

2 posted on 11/23/2001 9:21:59 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
BTTT for ALL human life. Babies born, and preborn. Babies at the moment of conception, babies in the middle of the pregnancy. BUMP FOR BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God bless you for posting this article.
3 posted on 11/23/2001 9:23:27 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: Artist; homeschool mama
ping
4 posted on 11/23/2001 9:26:35 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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FACT: 1.3 million abortions in America

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research arm of Planned Parenthood): (The Alan Guttmacher Institute, "Induced Abortion," February 2000)

Abortion is legal through all nine months of pregnancy, for any reason. (The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade ruled that even in the third trimester, after viability, a state cannot limit abortion unless it makes exceptions to preserve the life and "health" of the woman seeking abortion. In Doe v. Bolton, the companion case to Roe, the Supreme Court defines "health" to mean "all factors" that affect the woman, including "physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age.")

FACT: Opposes reasonable measures


The American People support reasonable restrictions on abortion:

A May 1999 CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll found:


Planned Parenthood opposes even modest restrictions to limit abortion, such as:

FACT: Opposes parental consent laws

Planned Parenthood is opposed to parental notification or consent laws when a minor child seeks an abortion.

The vast majority of Americans support the right of parents to be involved in -- or at least be aware of -- their minor daughter's abortion decision. Only the most extreme proponents of abortion would think otherwise.

Like Planned Parenthood.

Americans consistently and overwhelmingly support parental notification and/or consent.

A 1998 New York Times/CBS News poll found that 78 percent of Americans support parental consent before an abortion is performed on a girl under age 18, and even higher support for parental notification.


New York Times/CBS News, 1998

A 1992 national poll by the Wirthlin Group found that 80 percent of Americans support requiring parental notification before an abortion is performed on a girl under age 18.


Wirthlin Group, 1992

Even young people support parental consent laws. Of the 18-24 year olds surveyed, more than two-thirds (68%) say they support policies requiring girls under 18 to get a parent's consent for abortion.


Princeton Survey Research Associates, July 5-17, 2000

Just as consistently, Planned Parenthood opposes parental notification and parental consent laws.

Only the most extreme abortion proponent would further support the so-called "right" of adults to take other parents' minor children across state lines for an abortion, without the parent's knowledge, and in violation of the home state parental notification or consent laws - even when this is done to cover up evidence of criminal activity, such as statutory rape.

Like Planned Parenthood.

Imagine finding your 13 year old daughter in severe pain and bleeding, abandoned and alone 30 miles from home. Now imagine that she was in that situation because she had been raped. The stepmother of the rapist took your daughter, without your even knowing it, to an out of state abortion clinic to cover up evidence of the crime. This is exactly what happened to one mother and her minor child from Pennsylvania.

Congress introduced legislation, the Child Custody Protection Act, to prevent such horrible abuses of children. Eighty-five percent of Americans agreed: it is wrong for an adult to take a minor across state lines for an abortion, without the parent's knowledge and in violation of home state parental involvement laws.

Planned Parenthood disagreed with the American people. Referring to it as a "dangerous barrier to safe abortion," Planned Parenthood fought against the Child Custody Protection Act. Planned Parenthood actually branded as "harmful" this effort to prevent an adult from taking another parent's child across state lines for a secret abortion, saying it would "curtail women's access to legal abortion even as it would attempt to legislate forced communication among families"
(Planned Parenthood press release 6/30/99.)

FACT: Opposes banning Partial Birth Abortions

Planned Parenthood opposes a ban on Parial Birth Abortion, which kills the child in the very process of being born. While such a gruesome procedure - performed in the second and third trimester - is never medically necessary, and can even be dangerous for women, Planned Parenthood called the narrowly tailored ban "sweeping" and referred to it as a "hateful piece of legislation."
(Planned Parenthood press release, 10/21/99).

The overwhelming majority of the American people oppose Partial Birth Abortion. Seven out of 10 Americans agree it should be banned. (Gallup, July, 1996; Tarrance Group National Survey, 12/95 and 8/96).

Congress twice voted to ban Parial Birth Abortion, and 30 states passed their own bans. The American Medical Association supported efforts to have it banned and said that Partial Birth Abortion "is not good medicine."
(AMA Letter to Senator Rick Santorum, May 19, 1997).


Map of US, indicates states which have passed legislation to ban Partial Birth Abortion.

Planned Parenthood disagreed with the American people. Planned Parenthood fought for the continued availability of this brutal procedure.

Partial Birth Abortion has frequently been likened to outright infanticide - and for good reason. In a Parial Birth Abortion, the abortionist delivers the living child breech (feet first) until only the head remains in the mother. An instrument, usually scissors, is then used to pierce the skull; the wound is opened and a catheter inserted to vacuum out the brain. The skull collapses and delivery of the now dead child is complete. These usually take place in mid-second trimester, although they are also performed in the third trimester as well.

Doctors overwhelmingly agreed that this brutal procedure was never medically necessary to protect a woman's life, health or future fertility. But to protect Parial Birth Abortion, Planned Parenthood falsely insisted it was used only rarely, and only in cases when a woman's life or health was at extreme risk. To protect Parial Birth Abortion, Planned Parenthood also falsely declared that the child dies in utero, even before the abortion actually begins, from anesthesia given to the mother: "The fetus dies of an overdose of anesthesia given to the mother intravenously."
(Planned Parenthood Fact Sheet: "HR 1833, Medical Questions and Answers")

However, Dr. Norig Ellison, President of the American Society of Anesthesiologists, and Dr. David Chestnut, Chairman of the Department of Anesthesiology, University of Alabama, both testified before Congress that such a claim had "no basis in scientific fact." Further, both doctors expressed serious concern that such misinformation had the effect of putting pregnant women at risk, as some began putting off needed medical procedures for fear that anesthesia given to them would hurt or kill their unborn child.
(Oversight Hearing: U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution, "'Fetal Death' or Dangerous Deception? The Effects of Anesthesia During a Partial-Birth Aboriton" 3/21/96)

5 posted on 11/23/2001 9:39:09 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
You got that right!

BOOKMARKED

6 posted on 11/23/2001 9:41:15 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: AgThorn
Bump. Nice thread, AgThorn.

patent

7 posted on 11/23/2001 9:48:42 PM PST by patent
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To: *Pro_life; *Abortion_list
bump.
8 posted on 11/23/2001 9:49:18 PM PST by patent
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To: AgThorn
bump
9 posted on 11/23/2001 10:05:49 PM PST by Outraged
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To: AgThorn
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this compilation of facts and websites.

How the US thinks it can continue to shed all this innocent blood with no repercussions is just incomprehensible to me.

10 posted on 11/23/2001 10:11:56 PM PST by 1Peter2:16
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To: AgThorn
Big Bump
11 posted on 11/23/2001 10:16:46 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: *Christian_list; *Christian persecutio; Weirdad; cyn; kattracks; Republic; erizona; JohnHuang2...
bump
12 posted on 11/23/2001 10:19:28 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
bump for a great post The quotes are very powerful!
13 posted on 11/23/2001 10:19:58 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: Brad's Gramma
thank you for the ping
14 posted on 11/23/2001 10:33:02 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: AgThorn; Sungirl
I am going to take a page out of Sungirl's book and ask:

What about all of those abused and helpless animals suffering every day, when did you last rescue a poor dog or cat or salamander from the pound?

15 posted on 11/23/2001 10:42:03 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: AgThorn
I think it rankles Planned Parenthood and the feminists that there is a group known as 'Feminists for Life'. I think Patricia Heaton, who plays the wife on 'Everybody Loves Raymond' is a member. I saw her on an interview on EWTN one night; she sounded very pro-life.
16 posted on 11/23/2001 10:48:00 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: 1Peter2:16
Pro-Life Bump.
17 posted on 11/23/2001 10:53:02 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: Old Professer
If I did or didn't ... your point?
18 posted on 11/23/2001 10:58:49 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: Old Professer
who is sungirl?
19 posted on 11/23/2001 10:59:52 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
Great post!
20 posted on 11/24/2001 1:23:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AgThorn
There are some rather telling quotes from the early suffragettes here:

Rightgrrl! A Meeting Ground for Conserva...

21 posted on 11/24/2001 2:16:31 AM PST by backhoe
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To: AgThorn
Outstanding work here. I have used quotes from these women to great avail in past encounters with pro-aborts. Well, maybe some avail; if they don't change their minds, at least they shut up because they don't have an answer. The Holy Spirit has to do the rest.
22 posted on 11/24/2001 2:47:36 AM PST by NYpeanut
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To: Old Professer; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; LadyX; Snow Bunny; Hillary's Lovely Legs; Billie; abner...
"I am going to take a page out of Sungirl's book and ask: What about all of those abused and helpless animals suffering every day, when did you last rescue a poor dog or cat or salamander from the pound?"

Sungirl and her PETA pals have the intelligence of a dying petunia.
Comparing saving the lives of animals to saving the lives of our unborn is like comparing an anthill to Mount Everest.

Thank you for the bump, AgThorn, and thanks for your work on this.
I'll do everything I can for this cause.

23 posted on 11/24/2001 4:15:10 AM PST by COB1
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To: AgThorn
This is a fantastic thread you've put together. Consider it bumped and bookmarked.

I especially like this quote which, I think would drive a lot of feminists today absolutely crazy.

"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." - Elizabeth Cady Stanton in a letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873. Recorded in Howe's diary at Harvard University Library.

24 posted on 11/24/2001 4:30:29 AM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: AgThorn; All
ALL:
Please sign the petition.
And please check the other issues which are so dear to our hearts. Thank you.
25 posted on 11/24/2001 4:47:42 AM PST by COB1
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To: COB1; AgThorn
Thanks for the ping and a great thread!
26 posted on 11/24/2001 5:20:18 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: AgThorn
Thanks for this informative post. In my dreams I picture pro-infanticide ( <<< calling abortion what it REALLY IS, the murder of an infant) addict explaining to God the sick reasoning or excuses she or he uses to support such an evil act. That would be a good one. Don't think abortionists and those who would abort a child really believe in the sanctity of life, nor do I believe they hold a love for our Father in heaven in their hearts. Thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments-a biggie in the most precious book we know.
28 posted on 11/24/2001 6:51:29 AM PST by Republic
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To: AgThorn
Seems the heart of America is against partial birth abortion. I am thankful for this information. Your post is informative and maddening. It shows how once again, special interest groups over-ride the majority. Sad.
29 posted on 11/24/2001 6:53:19 AM PST by Republic
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To: Old Professer
Yes....good question....but not a question that should be brought up in this thread.....apples and oranges.
30 posted on 11/24/2001 10:17:58 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: COB1
Abortion might be a quick and safe procedure and over in a matter of minutes. But the memories last a lifetime.

"Guilty? Yes. No matter what the motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death; but oh, thrice guilty is he who...drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime!" -The Revolution, 1869

32 posted on 11/24/2001 10:33:36 AM PST by swheats
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To: Sungirl
Hang in there SG. Flames come and go, but those of us that have been posting long enough know to not take third party innuendo too seriously ...

Your opinions on this topic are greatly encouraged.

33 posted on 11/24/2001 10:40:31 AM PST by AgThorn
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To: Old Professer
As if the two are exclusive? I am pro-life and also an animal-loving whacko. Does that make me a mixture matter and anti-matter? Can I exist in a vacuum? How many of me can dance on the head of a pin?

Dave, Dave..."Dave's not here." - Chong

"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?" - Hal

Will I explode because I have marched in pro-life rallies and participated in an abortuary rescue, but the same year marched to protest useless animal experimentation?

Only pro-abort zealots adopt puppies from the ASPCA?

Oh, I just wanted to post a reply that I was bookmarking this page, but my alter-ego who loves animals took over and this is the result. Bookmarked.

34 posted on 11/24/2001 10:52:28 AM PST by Skooz
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To: Sungirl
Before you trash someone....find out some facts.

LOL! That would leave many posters at FR with very little to say.

35 posted on 11/24/2001 10:56:22 AM PST by Skooz
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.....Oh, I just wanted to post a reply that I was bookmarking this page, but my alter-ego who loves animals took over and this is the result.
ROFL ... just want to say thanks for posting the delimna (if I can spell it right) that you found yourself with regarding being pro-life and pro-puppy at the same time. Hang in there! I will stand with you in both picket lines!!! ;-)
37 posted on 11/24/2001 11:25:08 AM PST by AgThorn
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To: Easy_Shark; dpa5923
Bump and ping all at the same time!
38 posted on 11/24/2001 11:30:11 AM PST by dpa5923
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To: AgThorn
Does the Susan B. Anthony site have photos of dead fetuses?
39 posted on 11/24/2001 11:41:19 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
No, it does not ....
40 posted on 11/24/2001 12:09:06 PM PST by AgThorn
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To: AgThorn
"Since Roe V. Wade, there have been 28 million abortions in this country."

Probably closer to 40 million.

41 posted on 11/24/2001 1:20:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: Old Professer; COB1
" when did you last rescue a poor dog or cat or salamander from the pound?"

Never saw a salamander in a pound, do you mean pond?

We did put a turkey (one of your relatives?) to good use this week though!

42 posted on 11/24/2001 1:28:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor; Sungirl; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
"Never saw a salamander in a pound,"

That was his point.
LOL!
BTW: Have you been noticing how many cannibals are running around on our streets lately?

"People are made of meat too...and I believe there are alot of cannibals still around....are you doing anything about it?"

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43 posted on 11/24/2001 1:49:38 PM PST by COB1
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To: AgThorn
Thanks for the great posting! Here's another very good anti-murder site: Abortiontv.com

It's a really cool site that does not open to ugly pictures.

44 posted on 11/24/2001 2:41:20 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: AgThorn
Petition SIGNED!!!!!! You're wonderful for doing this. Lots of hard work in here. Thanks for helping all those babies...and their moms.
45 posted on 11/24/2001 5:11:56 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: COB1
Cob1...you are taking a post of mine out of context. You need to post the whole thread so people can understand why I was talking about cannibalism. You are doing this deliberately. Try to at least be fair about it.
46 posted on 11/24/2001 5:16:29 PM PST by Sungirl
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To: jwalsh07
ping
47 posted on 11/24/2001 5:21:08 PM PST by UNCLEDUCK
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To: pcl
ping
48 posted on 11/24/2001 5:33:00 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: Singapore_Yank
"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."

I have often heard anti-free choice people say that pregant women who do not want their baby should deliver that baby and put it up for adoption.

Now you are saying she must keep her child rather than dispose of it by adoption?

What next?

49 posted on 11/24/2001 5:54:29 PM PST by pcl
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