Skip to comments.Jews disagree on an afterlife Most of Judaism not concerned with afterlife
Posted on 11/24/2001 4:17:58 AM PST by chemicalmanEdited on 07/14/2004 12:58:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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I may certainly express my beliefs of a religious practice that believes only in the here and now. I am familiar with the emptiness and unfulfilling character of a person who beleives that now is the only existence and that our only future is to be eaten by worms. If that can sustain you, more power to you. But Christians have a better way. Christians know that there is a better world beyond this one.
There are many reasons for a person to be in a prison. Can you narrow down that question a little?
You were the one who posed the generalization that lack of belief in an afterlife has had negative behavioral consequences for society. If that's true, it should be easy to show that there's a correlation between the two.
If you can't demonstrate a correlation, can you at least give some significant examples? The article presents Jews as a counterexample.
People of all religions--or even of no religion--listen to "that quiet still voice within"; some hear Jesus, some hear their own conscience, some hear Buddha, some hear Allah, some hear Kali. How, then, can you call that unambiguous?
Some of the most moral people I have ever met did not beieve in an afterlife.
But that still leaves the question, why faith? He could have required good works; that would have made practical sense at least.
Could you imagine the practical benefits of a religion that emphasized wealth creation as the road to heaven?
On the other hand, I also enjoyed reading your arguments because it helps me understand why the concept of "the God of the Bible" is so difficult for many to accept. I can understand your points because I was once there. I grew up in a liberal-Christian home, went to college, decided to question all that I had taken on faith to be true. I too had a major problem with blood atonement, original sin, all those concepts which seemed to be contrary to a "loving God". I poured throught he scriptures looking for answers. Then I turned to writings on other religions hoping to maybe find my answers there. Looking back now I know with all my heart that the searching was a good thing even though it made me feel excited one minute then very confused the next. The rest is a bit too personal to write about here, but I will say that circumstances led me to a day when I was on my kneees crying out to "whatever God there may be" out there listening. Saying, "Who are you? If you are real then convince me!" Trust me, my friend,.... He did convince me!
I know that this does nothing whatsoever to sway your mind. How could it, for it was my experience not yours. But what I am saying, my friend, is.... keep on searching, God is patient. You will find your answers one day.
Peace and God's Blessings go with you always.
Of course you "may" express your beliefs. And if you think Christians have a better way, I'm happy for you. Sing it out man! But if in your desire to promote your faith, you try to leverage off of another by degrading it, you make an jerk of yourself.
I could rip into your faith with all the viciousness that you've just done to that of most Jews, but that would be counter productive. Doing so pits good men against one another and causes the best of them to think less of the one causing trouble, even some that share his faith or ideology.
If you find that you cant' stop this behavior, I'm sure the problems not with others.
That strikes me as being like asking, "IF God used denture adhesive, which brand would he choose? Would it not be the one that is dual-action?" Whether someone is marketing a religion or a product, he will point to the strengths of his brand and insist that they are vital. But in my mind, God doesn't need spokesmen any more than he needs dentures.
But let me turn the question around: IF God used a historical figure, why hasn't he been able to find someone who could speak to most of humanity, let alone all of humanity?
But were that all there was to salvation heaven would be filled with people who did not want to be there, for it is a place where His will is done.
Heaven, like America, would not hold anyone who didn't want to be there. The exit would be open to everyone.
I used to be a Christian. I can honestly say that my life has never been more full than it is now.
You said: But that still leaves the question, why faith? He could have required good works; that would have made practical sense at least. Could you imagine the practical benefits of a religion that emphasized wealth creation as the road to heaven?
My answer: Sorry so late in answering... I had to leave for a family outing. When I read your question today, I had to answer.
Why faith instead of some other requirement?... well I don't pretend to know the mind of God and why He does anything... but perhaps He made the requirement "FAITH" so that it would be easy enough for any and all. It would not require special talent or family connections. Even the severely handicapped or the uneducated could do it. No, I cannot conceive of God making "wealth creation" the road to heaven. What we consider to be valuable and thus "wealth" is imaterial in God's eyes. In fact God made that clear when the scriptures point out that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven". That is because earthly riches have a way of coming between man and God. Rather He had to make the requirement for accepting the atonement simply the act of us bowing before Him and proclaiming Him God and in doing so we realize that all that we have and all that we are able to do does not come from our own meager talents, but from God's direction and help. And in that simple act, the result is better than all the wealth of the world, burdens are lifted, a sense of freedom is profound because you realize you no longer have to strive for a level of perfection (or godliness) yourself that is unreachable, because God is God and you will never be a God. In that realization comes a "peace of mind" that surpasses all understanding.
I have injoyed our little debate, thank you.... and I wish you and your family peace and God's Blessings always.
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