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A call to arms for airline passengers, Anti-hijacking movement takes flight
SF Chronicle ^ | 11-24-01 | Janine DeFao

Posted on 11/24/2001 4:24:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:39:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

If his plane is hijacked, Don Detrich wants the attackers to know he will consider it his "patriotic duty to get up from my seat and kick ass."

As founder of the fledgling Flight Watch Hijacking Resistance League, Detrich has urged airline passengers to fight back, using weapons from ballpoint pens to beverage carts. As his message has spread from his Web site to media outlets from coast to coast, he's heard from dozens of potential recruits eager to get on board.


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Let's Roll...
1 posted on 11/24/2001 4:24:05 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Let's role. NEVER REPENT TO YOUR PERSECUTOR, NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCE, THE WTC PROVED IT.
2 posted on 11/24/2001 4:27:17 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
http://www.flightwatchol.com
3 posted on 11/24/2001 4:35:52 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I have recently been on four flights from California to Florida and back. I was prepared and armed. Even a little disappointed there were no hi-jackers. I really wanted to kill a couple of those turkeys.
4 posted on 11/24/2001 4:41:37 AM PST by BADJOE
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Count me in. Yes it is time for good men and women to come to the aid of their flight = to their county. It is better, if you are going down to go down fighting -- take as many of the bad guys down with you as possible -- before they can do more harm.

Growing up in the South -- on the schoolyard we found the bullies back off when they find you will fight - one of the most useful lessons we learned in school.

It is simple, when the bad guys find everyone will fight them -- they are less likly to try harm.

5 posted on 11/24/2001 4:43:47 AM PST by RAY
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To: RAY
This is why we have the 2nd amendment.
6 posted on 11/24/2001 4:47:22 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Right!
7 posted on 11/24/2001 4:49:04 AM PST by RAY
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To: RAY
"...Growing up in the South -- on the schoolyard we found the bullies back off when they find you will fight..."
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Yeah!!!! - -- - Hit 'em back, FIRST !! !! !!

8 posted on 11/24/2001 4:51:10 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Thanks. I work for the Army as a civilian and many I work with travel every week. I have sent the Flight Watch web page to each and every one of them.
9 posted on 11/24/2001 4:52:46 AM PST by SLB
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Someone should start an organization called the

Todd Beamer Society

10 posted on 11/24/2001 4:53:58 AM PST by pocat
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To: Squantos; Lion Den Dan; Travis McGee; logos; Alas; harpseal; Jeff Head; the irate magistrate...
FYI
11 posted on 11/24/2001 4:55:12 AM PST by SLB
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"It's a very risky proposition," Deeks said.

No, a risky proposition is relying on a 120 lb. stewardess who thinks she's a ninja after a 1-day "seminar" on hijacker defense.

12 posted on 11/24/2001 4:59:50 AM PST by randog
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To: BADJOE
I know what you mean. I so want to get a hold of one of them and send them to allah. I have never hit anyone in my life but I could kill one of them and afterwards go home and sleep like a child.
13 posted on 11/24/2001 5:08:16 AM PST by CathyRyan
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To: pocat
Wonderful idea! Fitting memorial.
14 posted on 11/24/2001 5:49:50 AM PST by Dixielander
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
--as a general rule of thumb*1, "authority figures' are always more afraid of losing authority than of having practical help in any situation. You can see it all the time. instead of just reviving the citizen militia as we have on the books for hundreds of years, the federal government is jumping through convulted (and dangerous) hoops to expand their authority, way past their constitutional boundaries.

In the case of private authority, pick an example, take the red cross, in any emergency they 'take over" become self appointed cops, you can't "help" unless you are part of their already established clique support structure, no matter your expertise or intentions.

Same with the airline "security", they only trust their own employees, the stewardii servers have just barely a handle on "controlling" passengers, they are afraid of losing that control. At the airports they "trust' some weirdo looking 'security officer' named umgallah from a foreign country WAY before they are gonna trust anyone not in their employ.

Ya, in a pinch when it's obvious they can't handle a situation, they would be forced to accept help, but before that, I doubt they would "officially" welcome it, except in the vaguest terms.

I've had a few conversations with my girlfriend on this since 9-11, she's retired skygoddess, that's her/their general viewpoint. On a low level they will accept "help" once it was obvious they can't deal with it, but before then, they really only want some official cop assigned to the flights, and perhaps their captain to be armed. They have an ingrained "us versus them" mentality as regards passengers that is very similar to cops "us versus them" mentality to civvies in general. There is about zero trust. It's weird, but there ya go.

Until the situation is so bad it's undeniable, there won't be a lot of cooperation or acceptance beyond this putting big guys on the aisle seats.

Here's another example, pure tactics, the curtain between first class and serf class, tactically they should lose it, so you can see up and down the aisles, realistically they won't lose it. Tactically, the only place for a sky marshall to sit and be effective is the very last row in the back, which means they are easy to spot by the badguys. they don' talways sit there, but most of the time they do.

Realisitically it would be better for citizens with carry permits to be armed on the planes, but, that is WAY more of a threat to the existing entrenched government than ANY terrorist attack, that's why it's not even being considered. They DESPARATELY do not want the US citizenry armed as per the second, only armed at best in a controlled, non-practical way. I mean, any fool can see quite clearly that none of the skyjackings would have occurred if there had been a dozen or more armed US citizens on each of those planes. It takes one second thought to see that, YET, this prez, any other prez, any other government-that's the very bottom of the barrel last 'solution" they can even contemplate, because it's a THREAT to their continual scam fake out running of the country. They are concerned with the continuation of their command and control, it is acceptable to them to absorb losses rather than diminish theior command. They do not want to lose the ability to threaten the citizenry, to have the citizenry jump when they bark, or to show that there's any "solution" that exists outside of "government" doing it, because although our nations setup is that the legit people here are the government, these people who work for us really, really, really do not see it or want it that way. They think a perq of the job is that they are now "massah" and you are now automatically "boy".

EVERY decision, ruling, guideline, edict, whathaveyou out of government is primarily first designed to perpetuate that "continuation of command and control" aspect, no matter the subject. That's exactly why you saw the order/authorization for a miljet shootdown in the face of another skyjacking, instead of preventing a skyjacking in advance by making it imppsible in most scenarios for a badguy or guys to take over a plane.A miljet shootdown perpetuates governmental control, armed non governmental employees just at random on the plane does zero to perpetuate that control, even though it would be WAY more effective in keeping the plane from being taken over. shootdown=crashed plane, everyone perishes, armed citizenry = no successful hijacking, any governmental employee not needed in the least. It's clear as day there.

There will never be a change in this until constitutionally-bent politicos get "elected", and that includes the bulk of the current crop, who are most definetly NOT constitutionally bent. And if you go back and look, it has made zero difference in meatworld which of the two parties are in executive branch office or in "control" of the legislative branch, none, other than in some almost unimportant ways. They are both united against the people FIRST, their mission is perpetuation of power, period. Both sides every election cycle go way out of their way to promise this or that, the results have always been no significant change back to constitutional government. there hasn't been any, all anyoner has to do is honestly LOOK, go back pretty far, just look. How they can fake people out like this for generations is beyond me. I think people are just so used to being faked out that they consider it their duty or something.

It's gonna be in a small scale reflection exactly what happens with these airlines, more governmental control and "ownership" in a practical sense. Basically, it's an entire industry that's being nationalized as we speak, but most folks won't see that or say it out loud yet. Same with "energy" that is already half way nationalised, full nationalisation is coming. Same with "healthcare", as soon as they have enough doses to start the forced vaccinations, and they will use this saying to accomplish their goal of more command and control - "you agree with us totally, 100%, or you are with the terrorists. and this will get rah rah rahed on by most people. You can see it happening already. I can guarantee I'll get flamed over this here, too. No deviation from the command and control party line is acceptable, any even small question or disagreement-different perspective is greeted with "you're a traitor, and etc, etc, go back to your terrorist buddies, you (*&^%%&**(()". No deviation in thought is acceptable, play "follow the leader" right on down the line, every single minute step, OR you are an untermenschen worthy only of extermination, one or the other.

This guy in the article understands that, he knows that his method is actually more practical, and it's actuaally closer to 'the law' as originally designed and setup, a lot of people understand that, but, they are a small minority in the population,and they will get shouted down by the mass sieg heiling, guaranteed. I wouldn't bet a penny against it.

*1--yep, said "general", so really don't need 'any-someone's' exception to the rule personal example used as a flame "proof". thanks in advance.

15 posted on 11/24/2001 6:14:54 AM PST by zog
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
One pilots' organization is cautiously supportive, but a flight attendants' union official called Detrich's proposal "very dangerous."

HA! The brave Pilot's union is for it, and the girls and pansies of the Stew's union is against it. Kind of a microcosm of the gun debate.

16 posted on 11/24/2001 6:20:00 AM PST by Restore
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Federal Aviation Administration has taken no position on passenger resistance, said spokesman Jerry Snyder. "We would caution passengers that they would be held responsible for their actions," he said.

If the FAA had done their job we'd not be having this discussion-

17 posted on 11/24/2001 6:22:40 AM PST by InkStone
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To: zog
Oustanding commentary in #15. Thanks for posting it.
18 posted on 11/24/2001 6:27:50 AM PST by Mulder
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To: zog
Realisitically it would be better for citizens with carry permits to be armed on the planes, but, that is WAY more of a threat to the existing entrenched government than ANY terrorist attack, that's why it's not even being considered. They DESPARATELY do not want the US citizenry armed as per the second, only armed at best in a controlled, non-practical way. I mean, any fool can see quite clearly that none of the skyjackings would have occurred if there had been a dozen or more armed US citizens on each of those planes.

I've held this since 9/11...just one armed citizen on each of the four planes would have saved THOUSANDS of lives. Thank you for keeping that reality alive.

19 posted on 11/24/2001 6:40:03 AM PST by copycat
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To: Fiddlstix
I suggest carrying one of those 10 inch hot-glue sticks to smack an islam across the face with. It would sting so much he would be incapacitated for several minutes. Enough time for the woman to kick him between the legs, and for the men to give him karate chops on his neck, and have somebody throw one of those airline black blankets over his head.

We should all get together at the gate prior to boarding and have a plan and a signal, like say a number. When somebody yells 77, that means to attack the perps.

There is NO WAY any islamic perps with box cutters should be able to stops us. We will prevail over them!

20 posted on 11/24/2001 6:40:25 AM PST by timestax
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To: Fiddlstix
I suggest carrying one of those 10 inch hot-glue sticks to smack an islam across the face with. It would sting so much he would be incapacitated for several minutes. Enough time for the woman to kick him between the legs, and for the men to give him karate chops on his neck, and have somebody throw one of those airline black blankets over his head.

We should all get together at the gate prior to boarding and have a plan and a signal, like say a number. When somebody yells 77, that means to attack the perps.

There is NO WAY any islamic perps with box cutters should be able to stops us. We will prevail over them!

21 posted on 11/24/2001 6:41:18 AM PST by timestax
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To: Fiddlstix
I suggest carrying one of those 10 inch hot-glue sticks to smack an islam across the face with. It would sting so much he would be incapacitated for several minutes. Enough time for the woman to kick him between the legs, and for the men to give him karate chops on his neck, and have somebody throw one of those airline black blankets over his head.

We should all get together at the gate prior to boarding and have a plan and a signal, like say a number. When somebody yells 77, that means to attack the perps.

There is NO WAY any islamic perps with box cutters should be able to stops us. We will prevail over them!

22 posted on 11/24/2001 6:49:15 AM PST by timestax
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To: zog
bttt
23 posted on 11/24/2001 6:54:29 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
A friend recently returned from a trip to Frankfort, Germany and Ethiopia. In addition to several suggestions posted heretofore, he carried a long, strong leather thong wound inside his hatband -- and he knows how to use it. Went through security slick as a whistle. He's also 6'3" and about 260 lbs, so you get the picture.
24 posted on 11/24/2001 7:14:20 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
While we applaud this gentleman, we believe that Geoff Metcalf of World Net Daily started a similar organization consisting of those with lengthy experience in martial arts immediately after 9-11-01, wrote about it and generally popularized the idea.
25 posted on 11/24/2001 7:24:02 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"It's a very risky proposition," Deeks said. "I realize passengers are going to act out,

You know, this kind of stupidity is why I don't have a lot of friends who are flight attendants! "Act out" is a term generally applied to misbehaving grammar-school children, not adults in a life-or-death struggle on an aircraft. The use of this term gives me a pretty good idea what this lady thinks of passengers- children to be herded around and made to behave!

26 posted on 11/24/2001 7:50:38 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: randog
"No, a risky proposition is relying on a 120 lb. stewardess who thinks she's a ninja"

Oh, come on- there are a LOT of stewardesses (oops, I mean "female flight attendants and wannabe-be jail guards") who weigh a LOT more than 120 pounds these days!

27 posted on 11/24/2001 8:42:29 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"But that doesn't soothe the concerns of Dawn Deeks, an official with the 50, 000-member Association of Flight Attendants.

"It's a very risky proposition," Deeks said. "I realize passengers are going to act out, especially knowing what they know now. But we should concentrate on training the flight crews first." She added that flight attendants have received no terrorism training."

OK, let's listen to the advice from the soccer mom. This Stewardess has had no training and she's telling people that it's a "risky situation". Well, D'oh! It's a hijacking, woman. Think!

28 posted on 11/24/2001 9:02:54 AM PST by Kermit
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To: timestax
"I suggest carrying one of those 10 inch hot-glue sticks to smack an islam across the face with."

I gather you feel so strongly about this that it was necessary to repeat it several times.

Personally, with the airlines having announced curtailment of food service (concern over uncleared flight-catering personnel), I feel they should begin serving only meals of pork on each flight. If a hijacker tries anything, the passengers could all throw pork chops at him.

--Boris

29 posted on 11/24/2001 9:05:35 AM PST by boris
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To: Restore
--to be fair, and again, referencing what my girlfriend told me, they DO have to deal with deranged nutcases all the time, beliigerent obnoxious people. Now they are facing their pilots being behind locked steel doors. they are caught between a rock and a hard place here, because they don't personally (read can't, practically) know everyone who gets on and off the plane.

If our society in general had kept the "armed citizen" concept over the generations, this wouldn't be much of a problem, but to just immediately go back to that right now would require quite a bit of re-adjustment. Obviously I am WAY in favor of the concept, but am not naieve enough to think it would happen overnight, you just can't change an entire nation's concepts that quickly. For instance, I am against "carry permits", as I see it as being unconstitutional to the max, but realistically, that will have to be a full nationwide step-universal recognized "permitting"-until we can seque into 'vermont style". Until any person's "permit" is accepted in all the 50 states, wherever thay happen to wealk, government building or not, anyplace, and municipalities, including NYC and chicago and other really bad places, exactly the same as a drivers "license", then we will continue to have this schism, and millions will fear it, and reject it, stewardii union as well.

People have to be shown byoverwhelming in your face example that it won't result in their (unfounded) fears of "the wild wild west constant shootouts" they seem to think will happen. Once we have that in place, then maybe we can finish dismantling all the other laws, including the 'permitting". Well, unless we can elect a slate of constitutionalists to the presidency and both national houses, at the exact same time, but that would require A-either one or the other major dominant parties radically change who runs them and what is promoted by them, or B- people stop being afraid of third parties as much, and perhaps a third party gets in. Or choice C, which is outright counter revolution to take back the nation from the dictators who seized the nation in a series of step-by-planned-step stealth coups over the years. Choice c is the scariest way, most people don't even understand it has happened, they would argue it hasn't happened (even here), even though there is ample evidence it has, so it's the least likely by far to occur It's extremely far down the list of probabilities.

Choice A is the best solution, this would probably be the republican party, but it means that the entire grassroots republicans cease supporting the bulk of the party favorites,98% of them, and stop sending them money. they would have to acknowledge "mistakes" in the past, which isn't a normal human thing to do. So, that's not likely to occur either. The democratic party is so out to lunch big time on this, so that isn't going to happen with them, either. The existing third parties each have several single issue points that hardly no one else outside the hard core membership can deal with, that none of them can get off the ground too much, they self -destruct, with the medias non-help. So that is out.

So,my analysis is, we are boned, and will stay boned. Unless, something so very unexpected and strange, something that no one anticipates happens, which causes a major paradigm shift back towards "freedoms" being of any sort of practical value to people. Now, what that might be, I can't say for sure. Nothing so far that has been inflicted on the US people has caused them to demand change beyond normal talking about it and complaining and back and forth voting in basically the same people over and over again. Mostly. How bad it has to get for this to happen, to change, what an incident or occurence might be, no idea. Can't even begin to guess anymore, UFO's landing everywhere and barbecuing people maybe. A 99% tax rate. Nationalization of the people and forced family separation-even then I'm not so sure that most people wouldn't go along with it after several pretty bad "examples" were made of anyone.region.area who said "no" singly or as an ad hoc group. I think even a chip implant could be wildely accepted, if enough scary situations were thrown at people, ie, some more domestic terrorism. Food and water being made unavaialble unless you lined up, got the vaccinations and an ID chip to make sure you could prove tyou aren't a 'terrorist". Any carry around piece of paper or plastic thing ID can be forged, so, the next logical deal is the implanted biometric chip. That's where we are directly headed, and it's a very short time frame ahead, real short. Most people would go along with it by the third day of no water and no food. They would give up. Most people have never even come close to three days without water or food, I honestly don't think they realise what happens to humans and their thought patterns and what they would accept or not accept at that point.

Yes, I am pessimisstic, mostly from not seeing anything that would tend to make me believe otherwise over the years. Even guns, in a large state like california, no mass saying "no", it hasn't happened. 35 million people, the laws keep getting passed, step by step by step, no "saying no" has occured. We've (as a nation) totally accepted private confiscations without trial,(from disputed taxes to ownership of substances or weapons, all the way to mass regional confiscations like in klamath and other areas and entire groups), we've accepted checkpoints to view your papers, executive/bureaucratic edict-run government. Judicial decisons not involving citizen juries, that's a biggee right there everyone "accepts". No saying "no" on that one. Once a generation in the past totally accepted a government demainding they couldn't own gold, gold for pete's sake, the government demanded they turn it over to them. some hid their gold, bt no saying "no" outloud occurred. Wars waged by executive fiat. No one says no, from highest general to rawest recruit. Everything gets 'accepted" without fail.

Like, what's left, really? There's tanks at the airports right now. People are walking by machine gun toting troopies in our cities. they started the secret tribunals, but it's not even considered anything strange, after all it's only the *&^%%^ that are being affected. Uh huh, that'll last a long time, yep. People readily accept massive vote fraud, every election, totally accepted. It's joked about on the teevee by the standup comics, but it's still accepted as business as usual by 99% of the people. 1/2 the people have ceased voting, it's not worth it to them to even go stand in line. Something else is more important, whatever that reason is,is immaterial, it happens. And that number is for a presidential election, lesser elections the numbers of "not voting" at all is even higher than 1/2. On any particular saturday, some 'big game' someplace gets more citizen interest than anything else going on, usually, excepting very large breaking news that is quickly forgotten. It's much easier, usually, to pull a crowd to a sporting event, or a concert, than it is to a political rally, by far easier, no comparison.

This forum is by no means representative of the country at-large, not even close. Here you can see activism and interest that is numerical magnitudes higher (10x +) than actually exists in the population generally speaking, but it's a tiny minority as compared to the bulk of the people.

We all tend to think pretty differently, it's important here, although there are wide ranging views here, and different issues get hotly debated, by and large, 'politics and government" gets short shrift in most folks minds, it's just so far down their list of priorities it's not even in the top 20. It's lower than not important over there, where the big old crowds of tens of millions are.

That's why I am pessimisstic of any meaningful change, beyond what an individual can do to change themselves, if they are so inclined.

I haven't given up "hope", but in day to day meatworld, I go on my practical way with the assumption that it will get worse, until a combination of normal human nature, very bad domestic policies, and uncontrollable chaos theory world events, leads to a pretty major global war using huge amounts of WMD. No weapons system ever invented has not ultimately resulted in it's widespread usages in warfare. Some took longer than others, but that's the exact historical example we have to look at so far, so that has got to be human nature, and that isn't changing that much..

Hmm, sorta thread drift here, one thing leads to another and another, etc, so excuse me, it just happened.

30 posted on 11/24/2001 9:16:45 AM PST by zog
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To: Kermit
So why haven't the Stews backed the idea?

All the whining about "air rage", just before 9/11 was what? a push for a pay raise on the sympathy ticket??

Guaranteed that if CCW permit holders were given full faith and credit for their permits, a short course in what NOT to shoot, and issued frangible ammo--to practice and qualify with--and pack onboard, that we would see a kinder, gentler, onboard clientelle.

An armed society is a polite society, after all.

Random armed passengers would be a lot harder to spot than an air marshal who flies a pattern of destinations. After all, these guys did their homework.

But even more than that, will the next attack come from the air? We have been alerted to this method, so why shouldn't the bad guy try something different.

Is it a coincidence that major port states NY, MD, CA, make it so difficult to be armed? Or have the socialists been concentrating their efforts in the legislatures to weaken our national defense at its most basic level--its citizenry?

Hell, all this time I thought it was just the Chinese paving the way for the invasion forces.

31 posted on 11/24/2001 9:29:39 AM PST by Smokin' Joe
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To: zog
"referencing what my girlfriend told me, they DO have to deal with deranged nutcases all the time, beliigerent obnoxious people."

Well, tell your girlfriend "Welcome to the Real World!". EVERYONE who has to deal with the public encounters a few "belligerent, hostile people"- but most of us don't leap to the assumption that ALL the folks we deal with professionally are going to be major pains in the butt! Also, the open contempt (shown by a few "flight attendants" I have met) for the travelling public is counterproductive, at best.

The attitude improves a whole lot when I travel in First-Class- are there perhaps some "class" prejudices at work here? Or is it just the "Us vs Them" mentality that you alluded to previously? (By the way, I have never gone out of my way to give any airline folks a hard time- I don't expect much from them, so I don't ask for much. Bring me my one drink and my little bag of gerbil snacks and leave me alone).

32 posted on 11/24/2001 10:19:13 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: zog
." No weapons system ever invented has not ultimately resulted in it's widespread usages in warfare."

On a serious note (my post about the F.A.s was pretty much a rant!) you are absolutely correct about he WMD's. It is only a matter of time, and then survival is going to be determined primarily by geographical location (and to a much lesser extent, by the quality of preparations that each individual and family has made).

Bad location (ie, major target area) PLUS lack of preparation = Almost Zero chance of survival.

33 posted on 11/24/2001 10:25:18 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
bttt
34 posted on 11/24/2001 10:29:06 AM PST by LiberteeBell
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To: BADJOE
I'm surprised no one has bothered to ask the 64,000 dollar question.
35 posted on 11/24/2001 10:42:57 AM PST by wita
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To: zog
Bump
36 posted on 11/24/2001 10:45:21 AM PST by Balata
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To: Khepera
Precisely right, and until all of the Bill of Rights return to its rightful place in the Constitution, and the Constitution returns to its rightful place as the foundation of liberty, we will continue to mourn the dearly disarmed, who have been place in those difficult situations requiring that which is enumerated in the Constitution and a gift of our creator, but sadly lacking at the moment of need.

The dearly departed couldn't, wouldn't, or were not able because of the numerous anti-gun, knife, etc, rules place it our way. After all how many do you know who are willing to be a walking felon just for the sake of a little personal protection, which as we see, is not personal alone, but could be a saving instrument for all who happened to be threatened at a particular time.

37 posted on 11/24/2001 10:55:43 AM PST by wita
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
---ya, I know that, so does she. They get that attitude eventually, just happens I guess. Any service job really. when I was younger I was a waiter, happened to me. appreciated the nice folks, but there was always a contingent of jerks, stuff happens.

Yep, location, planning, training, personal preparedness. After the fact of needing all that is not exactly the cool time to "think about it". Some are able to analyse and learn from others, some need the reality rock to fall on them, so it goes.

38 posted on 11/24/2001 12:44:03 PM PST by zog
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
and another army ranger wannabee is born. this melodrama has just got to stop.
39 posted on 11/24/2001 12:46:55 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT !!!!
41 posted on 11/24/2001 6:21:22 PM PST by timestax
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To: Harvard Man
bump
42 posted on 11/25/2001 6:55:32 AM PST by timestax
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To: PatrioticAmerican
bump to the top!
43 posted on 11/25/2001 6:55:55 AM PST by timestax
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To: Smokin' Joe
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT., AND FIGHT SOME MORE!!
44 posted on 11/25/2001 9:33:21 AM PST by timestax
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To: Smokin' Joe
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT., AND FIGHT SOME MORE!!
45 posted on 11/25/2001 9:33:34 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
WELL, can't somebody comment about my idea of the ten inch hot glue stick thst we can use to smack a terrorists with??!
46 posted on 11/26/2001 9:09:31 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
WELL, can't somebody comment about my idea of the ten inch hot glue stick that we can use to smack a terrorists with??!
47 posted on 11/26/2001 9:10:27 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Well I guess you people would rather talk about chile recipies or something mundane like that. Well, it"s still an almost free country.
48 posted on 11/27/2001 9:47:53 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Well I guess you people would rather talk about chile recipies or something mundane like that. Well, it"s still an almost free country.
49 posted on 11/27/2001 9:48:31 AM PST by timestax
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To: timestax
Well I guess you people would rather talk about chile recipes or something mundane like that. Well, it"s still an almost free country so enjoy it while you can!!
50 posted on 11/27/2001 9:50:05 AM PST by timestax
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